Thoughts on Iran??? (Read 33169 times)

changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #100 on: January 08, 2020, 12:36:12 AM »
He was the leader of a designated terrorist organization who was also banned under the UN for travel outside of Iran.

Again I see no purpose in your bolding of your response over others. Why?
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Kuleana

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #101 on: January 08, 2020, 07:35:44 AM »
Again I see no purpose in your bolding of your response over others. Why?

I bold them to distinguish my text from the original posts that I am referencing.  It makes it easier for the reader with bad eyes like mine.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #102 on: January 08, 2020, 02:31:06 PM »
The US Embassy in Baghdad is sovereign soil belonging to the United States of America.

The "protestors" were organized and incited by Soleimani,

Protestors attacking the Embassy yelled and wrote on the walls, "Soleimani is our leader".

Soleimani was in Baghdad during the time of the embassy "protests".

Any attack on the embassy of ANY foreign power is AN ACT OF WAR when the people involved are representing another country's government.  Soleimani was by anyone's estimation the number 2 leader and most revered military general in Iran.  He received A BILLION US DOLLARS EVERY MONTH from Iran to fund his militia-based terroristic activities.

This was not an "assassination."  Soleimani was a casualty of war.  "Death to America?"  Try "death to anyone who kills Americans."  Nothing else will stop these bullies.  Being unwilling to defend yourself merely emboldens these thugs.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #103 on: January 08, 2020, 02:40:28 PM »
The US Embassy in Baghdad is sovereign soil belonging to the United States of America.

The "protestors" were organized and incited by Soleimani,

Protestors attacking the Embassy yelled and wrote on the walls, "Soleimani is our leader".

Soleimani was in Baghdad during the time of the embassy "protests".

Any attack on the embassy of ANY foreign power is AN ACT OF WAR when the people involved are representing another country's government.  Soleimani was by anyone's estimation the number 2 leader and most revered military general in Iran.  He received A BILLION US DOLLARS EVERY MONTH from Iran to fund his militia-based terroristic activities.

This was not an "assassination."  Soleimani was a casualty of war.  "Death to America?"  Try "death to anyone who kills Americans."  Nothing else will stop these bullies.  Being unwilling to defend yourself merely emboldens these thugs.
Those "protesters" were protectors who were oppressed by US Imperialism. They need a Walmart. There would be no "protests" if you gave them all EBT cards, free education and free healthcare.
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Kuleana

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2020, 03:00:24 PM »
"The "protestors" were organized and incited by Soleimani,"

If it were possible, I would like to see proof of this.  Anyone who is upset with US imperialism could have orchestrated this attack.



"Protestors attacking the Embassy yelled and wrote on the walls, "Soleimani is our leader"."

How does the US know those who were doing the yelling and authored the above were actual agents of Soleimani and not ISIS or Al-Qaeda hoping to frame Soleimani?



Soleimani was in Baghdad during the time of the embassy "protests".

How convenient for ISIS and Al-Qaeda if they knew this also.



Any attack on the embassy of ANY foreign power is AN ACT OF WAR when the people involved are representing another country's government.

And Operation Ajax conducted by the US back in 1953 was not an ACT OF WAR against Iran?




He received A BILLION US DOLLARS EVERY MONTH from Iran to fund his militia-based terroristic activities.

SPECULATION.

Where did this information come from?  Was this published at the Iranian government website?




This was not an "assassination."  Soleimani was a casualty of war.

Your opinion.

I and many others even in America disagree with that interpretation.




"Nothing else will stop these bullies." 

Your opinion again; I disagree.

Whether you liked the agreement or not, the Iranian Nuclear Deal that was internationally passed in 2015 was a step in the right direction to easing the tensions in that region.

Trump unilaterally pulled out of that deal and the rest is history.

changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #105 on: January 08, 2020, 03:04:15 PM »
Those "protesters" were protectors who were oppressed by US Imperialism. They need a Walmart. There would be no "protests" if you gave them all EBT cards, free education and free healthcare.

Or a Target...oh wait. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I saw the crowd and most  who were throwing rocks, cocktails, battering rams, were in military style camo.  It wasn't some grandma or female doing these.

They throw rocks and stuff because they know we won't shoot for just throwing rocks or using a battering ram.  If they shot at us, then they will be shot back.

There was a story on the History channel about snipers. Some embassy in Africa had it's militia point their rifles at us, but not shoot.  This went on for a few months until the ROE changed and anyone who points a gun at the embassy will be treated as hostile and shot.  So 1 day some commander of the militia did it again, like how they always do and 1 of our snipers took him out.  After that no militia pointed a rifle at the embassy.  And anytime someone walked across the front gate, they would stop, remove their mag and hold the gun over their head.  Then once the gate was crossed, they would stop again and insert their mag and carry on about their business.

changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #106 on: January 08, 2020, 03:08:14 PM »
"The "protestors" were organized and incited by Soleimani,"

If it were possible, I would like to see proof of this.  Anyone who is upset with US imperialism could have orchestrated this attack.





No one here has access to this intel.  This was reported by the white house.  Could the WH be lying?  Of course, but would they knowing the fake news is looking for anything to get rid of Trump?

But then again, same intel says steel beams melt at 1500 degrees.

Kuleana

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #107 on: January 08, 2020, 03:23:40 PM »
No one here has access to this intel.  This was reported by the white house.  Could the WH be lying?  Of course, but would they knowing the fake news is looking for anything to get rid of Trump?

But then again, same intel says steel beams melt at 1500 degrees.

No one has yet to bring this up, but just as President Clinton has done in the past, conducting air strikes to whoever, seems to be a great way of diverting attention away from one's own political problems.

ren

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #108 on: January 08, 2020, 03:24:34 PM »
Seems that there is some sympathy for the Soleimani in Hawaii.
Maybe they should organize a convoy of Toyota trucks with upside down Iranian flags.
#distressedOverSoleimani
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #109 on: January 08, 2020, 03:26:56 PM »
No one here has access to this intel.  This was reported by the white house.  Could the WH be lying?  Of course, but would they knowing the fake news is looking for anything to get rid of Trump?

But then again, same intel says steel beams melt at 1500 degrees.

New York Times seems to be reporting the very thing I posted:

Pro-Iranian Protesters End Siege of U.S. Embassy in Baghdad
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When the demonstrators — largely members of Iranian-backed militias angered by deadly American airstrikes over the weekend...

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The full withdrawal came after leaders of the Iranian-backed militias who had organized the demonstration called on the crowd to leave, and most gradually drifted away on foot or drove off in trucks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/01/world/middleeast/us-embassy-baghdad-iraq.html

Of course, this is where you call the New York Times "Fake News" that's supporting the lies told by the Trump Administration.  We all know the NYT is 100% pro-Trump, right?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #110 on: January 08, 2020, 03:27:29 PM »
Well at least these Iranian proxies have balls to protest outside a US Embassy compared to our local anti-US protestors if there are any. The most Ive seen is a couple of white people outaide a US combatant command and some locals burning the US flag....weak sauce..
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #111 on: January 08, 2020, 03:29:42 PM »
No one has yet to bring this up, but just as President Clinton has done in the past, conducting air strikes to whoever, seems to be a great way of diverting attention away from one's own political problems.

What political problems does Trump have?  He's going to win 2020 by a landslide in spite of/because of the so-called impeachment "lite" that has yet to make its way to the Senate -- because, you know, he's a bad orange man and had to be impeached before Christmas. 

"Clear and present danger," "threat to our national security," "time is of the essence." 

What other lies are part of this "political problem" of which you speak?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #112 on: January 08, 2020, 03:31:12 PM »
No one has yet to bring this up, but just as President Clinton has done in the past, conducting air strikes to whoever, seems to be a great way of diverting attention away from one's own political problems.

There are new stations who reported what the WH said.  And these stations are not pro Trump either.  So there has to be some truth behind it.

Kuleana

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #113 on: January 08, 2020, 03:41:07 PM »
Of course, this is where you call the New York Times "Fake News" that's supporting the lies told by the Trump Administration.  We all know the NYT is 100% pro-Trump, right?

Interesting that you would put credibility in the NYT; the same NYT that did very little to critically analyze the evidence the Bush Administration shared to the World in regards to Saddam's possession of nuclear weapons and the need to invade Iraq in 2003?

THAT NYT?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #114 on: January 08, 2020, 03:45:01 PM »
"The "protestors" were organized and incited by Soleimani,"

If it were possible, I would like to see proof of this.  Anyone who is upset with US imperialism could have orchestrated this attack.



"Protestors attacking the Embassy yelled and wrote on the walls, "Soleimani is our leader"."

How does the US know those who were doing the yelling and authored the above were actual agents of Soleimani and not ISIS or Al-Qaeda hoping to frame Soleimani?

That's not an argument of fact, but a cheap deflection based on unsupported speculation on your part alone.



Soleimani was in Baghdad during the time of the embassy "protests".

How convenient for ISIS and Al-Qaeda if they knew this also.

See reply above



Any attack on the embassy of ANY foreign power is AN ACT OF WAR when the people involved are representing another country's government.

And Operation Ajax conducted by the US back in 1953 was not an ACT OF WAR against Iran?


Another response that has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the fact I stated.  Is this your attempt at "what-about-isms"?  Leave that to someone with experience -- like EEF.



He received A BILLION US DOLLARS EVERY MONTH from Iran to fund his militia-based terroristic activities.

SPECULATION.

Where did this information come from?  Was this published at the Iranian government website?


You call it "speculation", but you have no facts to refute it.  Read this for a small taste of where that money from Iran is going to support terrorist militias.  Iran is the king of proxy terrorism.  They have been called "the largest national sponsor of terrorism in the world" for decades.  Maybe you missed that in your amateur study of world history? 

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Eizenkot further said that since 2012 Iran had also spent “billions” of dollars on Syria.
He said Iran currently had around 2,000 military advisers in Syria deployed alongside 10,000
foreign Shi’ite militiamen and 8,000 Hezbollah fighters.

Iran spends “hundreds of millions” of dollars more on allies in Iraq and Yemen, Eizenkot added.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-rallies-israel/top-israeli-general-sees-increased-iran-spending-on-foreign-wars-idUSKBN1ER0Q9[/color]



This was not an "assassination."  Soleimani was a casualty of war.

Your opinion.

I and many others even in America disagree with that interpretation.


Wrong.  It's the educated opinions of many giving insight into what happened including Jeh Johnson, Obama's former Secretary of Homeland Security.  Soleimani was a legal and valid military target.  I've seen no facts to dispute this.  Only emotional anti-Trump rhetoric.


"Nothing else will stop these bullies." 

Your opinion again; I disagree.

Whether you liked the agreement or not, the Iranian Nuclear Deal that was internationally passed in 2015 was a step in the right direction to easing the tensions in that region.

Trump unilaterally pulled out of that deal and the rest is history.


Wrong.  It's the opinion of people who know a hell of a lot more about the situation than you OR I do.  The nuclear deal was a farce.  Even Kerry, who was peddling the deal to Congress admitted there are parts of it he was not allowed to know about.   :wtf:

Who signs an agreement with a terrorist nation to stop their attempts to build a nuclear arsenal and doesn't know all the pieces?  Stupid Liberals who don't give a rat's ass about this country as much as they do the appearance of doing "something".
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #115 on: January 08, 2020, 03:56:08 PM »
Waiting for the #IAmSoleimani movement....maybe t shirts, gathering on the mauna etc.
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Kuleana

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #116 on: January 08, 2020, 03:59:30 PM »
"Wrong.  It's the educated opinions of many giving insight into what happened including Jeh Johnson, Obama's former Secretary of Homeland Security.  Soleimani was a legal and valid military target.  I've seen no facts to dispute this.  Only emotional anti-Trump rhetoric."

Your opinion. 



"Wrong.  It's the opinion of people who know a hell of a lot more about the situation than you OR I do.  The nuclear deal was a farce.  Even Kerry, who was peddling the deal to Congress admitted there are parts of it he was not allowed to know about."

The only people who say the Iranian nuclear deal in 2015 was a bad one was the US.  Did the other nations who signed on to the deal feel the same way?



Who signs an agreement with a terrorist nation to stop their attempts to build a nuclear arsenal and doesn't know all the pieces?

As far I have checked, not all of the members of the UN Security Council sees nor has the UN condemned Iran as a terrorist nation.  Hence, America's reference of Iran being a terrorist nation is that of their own.



Stupid Liberals who don't give a rat's ass about this country as much as they do the appearance of doing "something".

You should not demonize liberals just because they have a different view than you; they are as American as anyone else in the US.    :shaka:


ren

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #117 on: January 08, 2020, 04:05:12 PM »
Demonize? He just said they are stupid. Not Damien.
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changemyoil66

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #118 on: January 08, 2020, 04:06:59 PM »
Waiting for the #IAmSoleimani movement....maybe t shirts, gathering on the mauna etc.
I thought I saw one when people were protesting his killing on the mainland.  Karen made signs.

ren

Re: Thoughts on Iran???
« Reply #119 on: January 08, 2020, 04:34:40 PM »
If it were possible, I would like to see proof of this.  Anyone who is upset with US imperialism could have orchestrated this attack.
You can ask the US govt. Not here on this forum though.

How does the US know those who were doing the yelling and authored the above were actual agents of Soleimani and not ISIS or Al-Qaeda hoping to frame Soleimani?
You can ask them...oh no you can't they are all in pieces.

Where did this information come from?  Was this published at the Iranian government website?

because a theocratic country like Iran who still or tries to fly F14s (cue "Danger Zone" guitar riff) is so good at information sharing on the internet   :crazy: :rofl: :rofl:

I and many others even in America disagree with that interpretation.

Your opinion again; I disagree.

Whether you liked the agreement or not, the Iranian Nuclear Deal that was internationally passed in 2015 was a step in the right direction to easing the tensions in that region.

Trump unilaterally pulled out of that deal and the rest is history.

We gave them billions of our money to appease them. I don't think we got our money's worth. They captured a US Navy patrol boat, terrorized the Strait of Hormuz and continuously called for the destruction of the USA. I want a refund.
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