Just had a member post that I was dumb enough to add my wife on my handgun registration.

and you were dumb enough to put both your names on the registration which required her to sign my permit.

It’s my understanding that your spouse needs to be listed on the registration to avoid illegal lending of a handgun.

Thoughts about joint registration?

I promise no further posts from me on this thread.
Just wondering about thoughts on joint registration.

You're not dumb enough, you were smart enough. God forbid something happen to you, your wife gets the firearms without any issues. Otherwise HPD gets them until she or other family member can get through the requirements to obtain firearms. And we all know that HPD or any other PD would never lose or mistreat any items held in an evidence locker. This is doubly true if you've been here long enough to acquire any items that are no longer legal.

But in any event, you can always loan your firearm to anyone, provided they are not a prohibited person.

 §134-4  Transfer, possession of firearms.  (a)  No transfer of any rifle having a barrel length of sixteen inches or over or any shotgun having a barrel length of eighteen inches or over, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, registered under prior law or by a prior owner, or unregistered shall be made to any person under the age of eighteen years, except as provided by section 134-5.

     (b)  No person shall possess any firearm that is owned by another, regardless of whether the owner has consented to possession of the firearm, without a permit from the chief of police of the appropriate county, except as provided in subsection (c) and section 134-5.

     (c)  Any lawfully acquired rifle or shotgun may be lent to an adult for use within the State for a period not to exceed fifteen days without a permit; provided that where the rifle or shotgun is to be used outside of the State, the loan may be for a period not to exceed seventy-five days.

Just had a member post that I was dumb enough to add my wife on my handgun registration.

It’s my understanding that your spouse needs to be listed on the registration to avoid illegal lending of a handgun.

Thoughts about joint registration?

I promise no further posts from me on this thread.
Just wondering about thoughts on joint registration.

Sorry AH but I don't want my wife's name on the registration. If something happens to me she has strict orders to send them to my relative that inherits them from my estate. Since HPD has decided they don't want to know when a gun leaves the islands then for me, this is the best solution. I asked them to destroy all of my registration records when I move away and they said they would not/didn't care.

It is a big hassle for me to transfer in or out if my wife has to get involved. Which is why I don't want her name on the registration.

    Back when we had firearms, we also co-registered them with each other.
Simple explanation was no matter who's firearm we picked up in a case of HD, we were legally allowed to possess it and therefore if any shots were fired in self defense, it would occur via a lawfully owned firearm.
Was also beneficial when one of us went shooting with friends or newbies, we could bring each others firearms for more variety
This also would  have solved a lot of issues regarding possession,transfer and sale upon the death of one of the spouses. (take note Inspector, your wife would be unable to transfer firearms not registered to her)
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      Yeah, some of the boys at HPD (rhymes with Chew, LOL) gave us some grief regarding possible hassles if divorce or separation were to occur, but we told him if there was a divorce or separation, there would only be one surviving spouse any way.
Obviously, one must have a trusting relationship with ones spouse to have co-registration.   

Good on you Dog 

Should the firearms lending ban pass this year, same will apply to long guns.  No loaning to spouses unless it's on the registration.

Sorry AH but I don't want my wife's name on the registration. If something happens to me she has strict orders to send them to my relative that inherits them from my estate. Since HPD has decided they don't want to know when a gun leaves the islands then for me, this is the best solution. I asked them to destroy all of my registration records when I move away and they said they would not/didn't care.

It is a big hassle for me to transfer in or out if my wife has to get involved. Which is why I don't want her name on the registration.

Psst. . . I think your revolvers are seksi!   

    Back when we had firearms, we also co-registered them with each other.
Simple explanation was no matter who's firearm we picked up in a case of HD, we were legally allowed to possess it and therefore if any shots were fired in self defense, it would occur via a lawfully owned firearm.
Was also beneficial when one of us went shooting with friends or newbies, we could bring each others firearms for more variety
This also would  have solved a lot of issues regarding possession,transfer and sale upon the death of one of the spouses. (take note Inspector, your wife would be unable to transfer firearms not registered to her)
.
      Yeah, some of the boys at HPD (rhymes with Chew, LOL) gave us some grief regarding possible hassles if divorce or separation were to occur, but we told him if there was a divorce or separation, there would only be one surviving spouse any way.
Obviously, one must have a trusting relationship with ones spouse to have co-registration.   

Good on you Dog 

I encountered that somewhat when my dad passed, as well as helping my aunty when my uncle passed.  This also includes documenting ownership in the case of old firearms that may not have been registered.  I thought I was gonna have to give up a few guns, but it turned out they were registered, but under an older system and they didn't show up in the computer.

Seems like Inspector has his wishes already documented.  In my case, HPD asked for a notarized letter from my sister that she didn't want the guns.  While she and her husband enjoy shooting, they have no interest in owning any. 

I have my wife on most of the guns for the following reasons:

1) Handguns are not allowed to be lent to anyone, even if in the same household.  U have to be there.  So what happens if you're at work and she uses the handgun for home defense?  Charges could be brought to her.  Compared to rifles, you can let her borrow for 15 days.  This is the main concern.  Or when we travel with them, she carries 1 handgun in her checked luggage.

2) If I die or incapacitated, she's on the title so no problems.

Cons told to me by HPD

1) If you ever get divorced, shes on title
2) Need to waste time to add her on each gun, 2 week wait and background check needs to be done.  Like buying a new handgun. 2 trips to HPD.

I have my wife on most of the guns for the following reasons:

1) Handguns are not allowed to be lent to anyone, even if in the same household.  U have to be there.  So what happens if you're at work and she uses the handgun for home defense?  Charges could be brought to her.  Compared to rifles, you can let her borrow for 15 days.  This is the main concern.  Or when we travel with them, she carries 1 handgun in her checked luggage.

2) If I die or incapacitated, she's on the title so no problems.

Cons told to me by HPD

1) If you ever get divorced, shes on title
2) Need to waste time to add her on each gun, 2 week wait and background check needs to be done.  Like buying a new handgun. 2 trips to HPD.

(Additional Con:)
3)  If you want to sell a handgun, both registered owners are required to sign the permit to acquire.  They also have to sign any bill of sale to make it legal.  That means both must be willing and available to sign -- either meeting up at HPD together to save the buyer 2 extra trips, or hope the buyer is willing and available to accommodate all registered owners' schedules.


"I'm sorry, but my spouse is [ visiting family | traveling for work | working 12 hour shifts | can't take a half hour for lunch ] to meet at HPD when the permit would be ready. 
You'll have to [ wait at least XX weeks before applying | be willing to make at least 2 additional trips to gather signatures and register ] before you can pick up the gun." 

That assumes one of the two owners doesn't have an emergency arise.  Two owners doubles the risk that "something could come up" to make you have to go through the application process again.

In the case of HD use, giving someone access to a handgun in case of emergency is not "lending" it to them.  I don't think anyone can point to a single Hawaii case where someone using a gun for self defense was charged with a firearm violation based solely on not being a registered owner for the handgun they used.

Legally, you're only required to keep guns locked up and inaccessible to people in the home who are prohibited: minors, felons, addicts, etc.  So, the gun's registered owner won't be charged if someone uses their gun who isn't prohibited.

Self defense becomes exigent circumstances.  If the handgun was in a legal "place to keep," the defender will also not face charges.

Justifiable self defense is not a crime.

(Additional Con:)
3)  If you want to sell a handgun, both registered owners are required to sign the permit to acquire.  They also have to sign any bill of sale to make it legal.  That means both must be willing and available to sign -- either meeting up at HPD together to save the buyer 2 extra trips, or hope the buyer is willing and available to accommodate all registered owners' schedules.


"I'm sorry, but my spouse is [ visiting family | traveling for work | working 12 hour shifts | can't take a half hour for lunch ] to meet at HPD when the permit would be ready. 
You'll have to [ wait at least XX weeks before applying | be willing to make at least 2 additional trips to gather signatures and register ] before you can pick up the gun." 

That assumes one of the two owners doesn't have an emergency arise.  Two owners doubles the risk that "something could come up" to make you have to go through the application process again.

In the case of HD use, giving someone access to a handgun in case of emergency is not "lending" it to them.  I don't think anyone can point to a single Hawaii case where someone using a gun for self defense was charged with a firearm violation based solely on not being a registered owner for the handgun they used.

Legally, you're only required to keep guns locked up and inaccessible to people in the home who are prohibited: minors, felons, addicts, etc.  So, the gun's registered owner won't be charged if someone uses their gun who isn't prohibited.

Self defense becomes exigent circumstances.  If the handgun was in a legal "place to keep," the defender will also not face charges.

Justifiable self defense is not a crime.

"Justifiable self defense is not a crime."
Call me a Jaded Mandarin but
not in this state. 
You will be arrested.
You will lose your guns.
You will spend thousands in legal fees.
Cops are not your Friend.
Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up.

I was thinking about this but my wife hasn't taken any classes so technically she wouldn't be able to be on any of the handguns.

She isn't into guns but it would be easier if I died that she be able to keep the guns until my kids are old enough to get them.

"Justifiable self defense is not a crime."
Call me a Jaded Mandarin but
not in this state. 
You will be arrested.
You will lose your guns.
You will spend thousands in legal fees.
Cops are not your Friend.
Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up.

You will be arrested pending investigation.

The gun you used will be booked in as evidence.

Whether or not you lose your guns or need legal representation long term will depend on whether any charges are filed against you.

If the facts support a claim of justified self defense, you'll be released without arraignment.

It's happened quite often.

In felony cases, the police are allowed to arrest a person and hold them in custody for a maximum of 48 hours
without bail. At the end of the 48 hours, the police have to decide whether or not to let the person go or to continue
to hold them. If they decide to release the person, they are free to go without charges and without having to post
bail. This is known as being released pending investigation, or "RPI."

An RPI does not mean that your case is closed. Rather, it indicates that the police need more time to investigate
your charges. In most felony cases, the government has between 3 to 6 years starting from the date of the crime to
file charges. In sexual assault cases involving victims under the age of 18, the government has between 3 to 6
years starting from the time the victim turns 18. There is no time limit to file criminal charges in murder cases.

As you said, the best decision is to say as little as possible and request legal representation during questioning -- preferably an attorney with experience in firearm self defense. 

Once you have a lawyer, the Cops can't contact or question you directly unless your lawyer is present.

"I intend to cooperate fully with your investigation, but I would like consult my lawyer before I make any formal statements."

If someone is red flagged, but the gun is jointly owned, can they still take it away?

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Should the firearms lending ban pass this year, same will apply to long guns.  No loaning to spouses unless it's on the registration.

https://hifico.org/hb1600/
https://hifico.org/sb2811/

If someone is red flagged, but the gun is jointly owned, can they still take it away?

For HPD, the answer is always yes.

If someone is red flagged, but the gun is jointly owned, can they still take it away?

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Interesting question.

My first inclination is the co-owner would have to show they can secure the firearm/s to prevent access by the red flagged person.

Of course, the courts here are more interested in confiscation than personal safety, so all bets are off that they'll act rationally.

If someone is red flagged, but the gun is jointly owned, can they still take it away?

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 are you worried you will be red flagged? or mrs cmo?

are you worried you will be red flagged? or mrs cmo?

depends if tourettes is cause...heads

If someone is red flagged, but the gun is jointly owned, can they still take it away?

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I think they would take them but there might be one way around that. If he goes in to take his name off the firearms and leaves only his wife on then I don't think they could legally touch them since the restraining order or red flag order doesn't say the wife has to turn it in.

I think they would take them but there might be one way around that. If he goes in to take his name off the firearms and leaves only his wife on then I don't think they could legally touch them since the restraining order or red flag order doesn't say the wife has to turn it in.

Since hpd has no official transfer of title, a hand written napkin would suffice.

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I think they would take them but there might be one way around that. If he goes in to take his name off the firearms and leaves only his wife on then I don't think they could legally touch them since the restraining order or red flag order doesn't say the wife has to turn it in.

The Cops aren't going to give the owners time to run to the firearms section and change registrations after showing up to confiscate.

They just aren't.

If the law allows for transferring custody to a friend or family member, that might be possible.  Some states allow that.  I don't think Hawaii will put that in the law, since the whole red flag scenario requires stealth and swift confiscation before the owner even knows about it.

The Cops aren't going to give the owners time to run to the firearms section and change registrations after showing up to confiscate.

They just aren't.

If the law allows for transferring custody to a friend or family member, that might be possible.  Some states allow that.  I don't think Hawaii will put that in the law, since the whole red flag scenario requires stealth and swift confiscation before the owner even knows about it.

Sometimes people are served when they are not at home and in that case the person doesn't have to turn them in right away but within a certain time frame. So if someone is served at work or at court then they have x amount of days to turn the guns into police, or possibly sell/transfer them.  I went shooting with a guy who got a few firearms from his friend because of a TRO or abuse arrest. Can't remember the details but somehow the guy was able to transfer the firearms to his friend. This was about 17 years ago though.

I believe the law allows transferring but I can't recall the specifics on to who or how. They might have to be seized first and then ownership is transferred. At least if the wife is already on title then she shouldn't have to go through permitting process to get them back from HPD.