"They are not outer islands"

"The Attorney General is female."

good thing I don't own any magazines...

I don't think Marbury v. Madison (1803) would help.
Just a thought. Can we be considered part of an unorganized militia? If so would we have the duty to be armed and able?
Unorganized militia seems to be kind of muddied in definition.  Would you have to declare yourself part of it?  If you form a 'militia group' what sort of legal standing would you have?  What sort of duties would then you have?  Who would you answer to if anyone?
Any thoughts?

I don't think Marbury v. Madison (1803) would help.
Just a thought. Can we be considered part of an unorganized militia? If so would we have the duty to be armed and able?
Unorganized militia seems to be kind of muddied in definition.  Would you have to declare yourself part of it?  If you form a 'militia group' what sort of legal standing would you have?  What sort of duties would then you have?  Who would you answer to if anyone?
Any thoughts?

Universal Citation: HI Rev Stat § 121-1 (2013)
 
§121-1 Militia. The militia of the State shall consist of every resident able-bodied citizen of the United States who is seventeen years old or older and under forty-six years of age and all other able-bodied residents of that age who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States. The militia shall be composed of four classes:

(1) The federally organized and recognized national guard,

(2) The remainder of the organized militia to be known as the Hawaii state defense force,

(3) The naval militia,

(4) The unorganized militia.

The unorganized militia shall consist of those members of the militia who are not members of the national guard, the naval militia, or the state defense force. The unorganized militia shall be subject to active military duty only when called or ordered into the service of the State for such period as is required. They may be assigned to existing organizations of the Hawaii national guard, the naval militia, or the state defense force, or otherwise as the exigencies require. [L 1967, c 196, pt of §1; HRS §121-1; am L 1969, c 15, §1(a); am L 1988, c 135, §1]

Forming of an unorganized militia would require an OK from a Sheriff or Chief of Police.

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I wish he had dirt on HRC. . .

No one needs "dirt" on hrc because there's enough public information of her already.... I would add in the clinton body count in just for the hell of it.

I'm still debating stocking up on 10 round 458 SOCOM magazines...  Prolly should just to be sure.

Depends on what law enforcement agency it is.  HPD is mandated by policy to carry 24 hours a day and respond to serious incidents off duty.  Many DOD police have to turn in their guns at the end of the shift and are not authorized to CCW off duty.

FWIW, All civillian DoD police officers as well as active duty military police (Any LEO, including BOP) are covered under USC 926B (LEOSA) and may carry concealed firearms off duty provided they follow the instructions within 926B. There are some exceptions such as age and agency restrictions which may prevent some from carrying, but generally if they posses agency issued credentials identifying them as LEOs or Police officers they are good to go.
 Unlike HPD, while off duty these components are not granted powers of arrest and operate as a private citizens if involved in a shooting, i.e. no agency representation.

Good to see they are citing a single liberal organization in order to take away our freedom. Seems legit.

No need magazines...

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I assume the bill passed?

I assume the bill passed?

Technically not yet.  It crosses over to the House where we get another chance to submit trstimony.

I assume the bill passed?

2/27/2020   S   The committee(s) on JDC recommend(s) that the measure be PASSED, WITH AMENDMENTS. The votes in JDC were as follows: 4 Aye(s): Senator(s) K. Rhoads, J.Keohokalole, Gabbard, Kim; Aye(s) with reservations: none ; 1 No(es): Senator(s) Fevella; and 0 Excused: none.

Reported amendments: 1. Goes into effect immediately upon signing by the governor. 2. No registration (why register what you must destroy, turn in, or ship out of state?).

Technically not yet.  It crosses over to the House where we get another chance to submit trstimony.

As above, rubber stamp coming from the House. Mr. and Mrs. Hawaii, turn 'em all in.

The votes ARE here...

When it passes, as we all know it will, I wonder how many they will collect?   I guess I might have to go out and buy ONE 10 rd mag for my AR15.

When it passes, as we all know it will, I wonder how many they will collect?   I guess I might have to go out and buy ONE 10 rd mag for my AR15.

I have parts kits .... nothing illegal to see here.

When it passes, as we all know it will, I wonder how many they will collect?   I guess I might have to go out and buy ONE 10 rd mag for my AR15.

The senate version has a grandfather clause. The house one doesnt.

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If the 10 mound magazines are really that dangerous, they should ban them for HPD and military too.  Why do they get an exemption?

Why does HPD or the military need more than 10 rounds? 

HPD should lead by example for this damn law that they are pushing is a good idea.

If the 10 mound magazines are really that dangerous, they should ban them for HPD and military too.  Why do they get an exemption?

Why does HPD or the military need more than 10 rounds? 

HPD should lead by example for this damn law that they are pushing is a good idea.

I can't find the article about HPD officers shooting a knife wielding suspect in Palolo over 10 times. I think it was justified but perhaps some officers need the extra capacity because they are not as proficient as they think they are or the dynamics of the event was a factor. In all fairness, a person doesn't really know until that situation comes up. So with that said, if HPD needs standard mag capacity to deal with events like that it is reasonably unfair for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves in such dynamic situations such as a knife encounter with 1 or more suspects.

From a PR perspective, I think that the HPD coming out for legislation like this deflects from the public awareness that officers shot and killed quite a few suspects in 2019.

I also think its a position of power and authority. I've met quite a few officers who believe that only they should have guns and that they are the solution to ALL your crime problems - no one else.
I think that's a symptom of living in a fat govt. state like Hawaii - where the general mentality is to call 911 or rely on govt for this & that.

If the 10 mound magazines are really that dangerous, they should ban them for HPD and military too.  Why do they get an exemption?

Why does HPD or the military need more than 10 rounds? 

HPD should lead by example for this damn law that they are pushing is a good idea.

I can't comment for the military, but HPD should play by the same rules as the citizens. My guess is they don't want to be outgunned if shit goes down.

I just realized the typo on my previous post.

30 round mags!  Not 10 mound mags.   

The testimonies are enlightening - first up is Ballard's letter supporting the legislation and taking issue with the grandfathering clause. Even a state like CA had that clause for 18 years...they seriously think that ex post facto laws are constitutional? 🤔😡