HPD press conference for mag ban (Read 20658 times)

6716J

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2020, 02:39:13 PM »
This is why we need to fight and not give an inch.  As a result of our forefathers, this is where we end up today.

10rd magazine today, 7rds next.  Then 5 rds, then 3rds.


Cass Sunstein...NUDGE

Don't do it all at once. Just a nudge and it will get there. It's why they went for 7 in NY. 1911 has 7 round as stock. But agree they will push for 5 then 3 in all firearms
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

Kuleana

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2020, 04:09:01 PM »
From the 1790s to the 1930s Americans knew exactly what the second Amendment was about. After the Democrats trashed and destroyed the right in 1934, it's all been a racist privileged shitshow since.

Exactly what my ultimate point has been.

The America everyone has been taught to believe is not the America of today.  We can debate what events and dates when it began its transformation, but the fact is the new America is beginning to take shape and there is nothing that is going to stop its evolution in the years to come.

From what we see in the erosion of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, especially in the slow, but steady state-by-state repealing of the 2nd Amendment; the new America is headed to becoming a true fascist police state.  The migration of the liberals and democrats as well as influx of illegal immigrants to historically Republican and conservative states will further tip the national and local election scales that will support this change. 

Stay Tuned for More!

6716J

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2020, 07:08:21 PM »
Exactly what my ultimate point has been.

The America everyone has been taught to believe is not the America of today.  We can debate what events and dates when it began its transformation, but the fact is the new America is beginning to take shape and there is nothing that is going to stop its evolution in the years to come.

From what we see in the erosion of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, especially in the slow, but steady state-by-state repealing of the 2nd Amendment; the new America is headed to becoming a true fascist police state.  The migration of the liberals and democrats as well as influx of illegal immigrants to historically Republican and conservative states will further tip the national and local election scales that will support this change. 

Stay Tuned for More!
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eyeeatingfish

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2020, 09:39:23 PM »
Will we all sound like this when we are released from the re-education camp?

If the constitution were so perfectly worded that no one could ever misinterpret the meaning we wouldn't need the supreme court. Obviously that's not the case and there are disagreements about various meanings from the most basic of us to the experts in constitutional law.

eyeeatingfish

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2020, 09:40:41 PM »
Please provide objective, documented data (surveys, interviews, public statements) which support your assertion.  Otherwise, what you posted is merely your unsupported opinion.  "Feelings".

Just an observation, not quite an opinion and not at all feelings. And you seem to think opinion and feeling are interchangeable. They are not.

changemyoil66

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2020, 10:34:23 PM »
If the constitution were so perfectly worded that no one could ever misinterpret the meaning we wouldn't need the supreme court. Obviously that's not the case and there are disagreements about various meanings from the most basic of us to the experts in constitutional law.
Thats because people who have agendas are using morons to support it. And we as citizens  have evolved from using force to using the courts to settle disagreements. Which the people with agendas know.

The constitution is clear. Its not like shakespear wrote it in his jibberish or in chinese.

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Brystont1

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2020, 10:46:31 PM »
If the constitution were so perfectly worded that no one could ever misinterpret the meaning we wouldn't need the supreme court. Obviously that's not the case and there are disagreements about various meanings from the most basic of us to the experts in constitutional law.

The constitution doesn’t have to be perfectly worded. We have contextual evidence from our founding fathers explaining exactly what the meant when they wrote each amendment. It’s not like they wrote the 2nd amendment and said “Ok! We now leave it up to you to interpret what we meant”.

hvybarrels

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2020, 11:10:52 AM »
If the constitution were so perfectly worded that no one could ever misinterpret the meaning we wouldn't need the supreme court. Obviously that's not the case and there are disagreements about various meanings from the most basic of us to the experts in constitutional law.

That does not give you an excuse to make up the laws as you see fit. We see where you are going with this, Officer. The problem is that you have not really thought it through yourself. When the law breaks the law there is no law.
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

eyeeatingfish

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2020, 09:53:38 PM »
That does not give you an excuse to make up the laws as you see fit. We see where you are going with this, Officer. The problem is that you have not really thought it through yourself. When the law breaks the law there is no law.

On the contrary I have given it a lot of thought and find constitutional law quite interesting.

People who have spent decade studying the constitution don't even all agree on everything in it so there has to be a certain amount of leeway when you look at the decision of a police officer who may have only studied constitutional law for a few weeks in some academy.

Its a pipe dream to think the constitution is so clear that everyone can easily understand it and if they don't come to the same conclusion as you that they are wrong.

eyeeatingfish

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2020, 09:56:23 PM »
The constitution doesn’t have to be perfectly worded. We have contextual evidence from our founding fathers explaining exactly what the meant when they wrote each amendment. It’s not like they wrote the 2nd amendment and said “Ok! We now leave it up to you to interpret what we meant”.

Contextual evidence and the writings of founding fathers do play a role in helping to understand and apply the constitution but they have their limitations as well.

Personally I think the language of the constitution has to be the primary way to apply the constitution but that is getting into a bit of a separate topic so I will stop there.

macsak

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2020, 10:10:33 PM »
Contextual evidence and the writings of founding fathers do play a role in helping to understand and apply the constitution but they have their limitations as well.

Personally I think the language of the constitution has to be the primary way to apply the constitution but that is getting into a bit of a separate topic so I will stop there.

that never stopped you before...

ren

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2020, 09:03:55 AM »


her explanation begins at 2:57
Deeds Not Words

oldfart

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2020, 09:14:14 AM »


her explanation begins at 2:57
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that's so funny and tragic on so many levels
What, Me Worry?

changemyoil66

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2020, 01:54:35 PM »
The constitution doesn’t have to be perfectly worded. We have contextual evidence from our founding fathers explaining exactly what the meant when they wrote each amendment. It’s not like they wrote the 2nd amendment and said “Ok! We now leave it up to you to interpret what we meant”.

To anyone with a brain the words "shall not be infringed" is clear.

eyeeatingfish

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2020, 09:41:32 PM »
that never stopped you before...

Sure it has. If you want to debate constitutional interpretation, feel free to start a thread for it.  :stopjack:

Brystont1

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2020, 11:57:26 PM »
Contextual evidence and the writings of founding fathers do play a role in helping to understand and apply the constitution but they have their limitations as well.

Personally I think the language of the constitution has to be the primary way to apply the constitution but that is getting into a bit of a separate topic so I will stop there.

What part of the 2A and it’s supporting contextual evidence limits it’s correct interpretation?

RSN172

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2020, 06:37:49 AM »
What part of the 2A and it’s supporting contextual evidence limits it’s correct interpretation?
Too bad neva have Hawai'i Pidgin bac den.  Den no mo problem undastan.

“So nobody oppress us, da peopo kin carry any kine weapon dey lik, wea eva dey lik.”
Happily living in Puna

robtmc

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #57 on: March 07, 2020, 11:07:32 AM »
Exactly what my ultimate point has been.

The America everyone has been taught to believe is not the America of today.  We can debate what events and dates when it began its transformation, but the fact is the new America is beginning to take shape and there is nothing that is going to stop its evolution in the years to come.

From what we see in the erosion of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, especially in the slow, but steady state-by-state repealing of the 2nd Amendment; the new America is headed to becoming a true fascist police state.  The migration of the liberals and democrats as well as influx of illegal immigrants to historically Republican and conservative states will further tip the national and local election scales that will support this change. 

Shocked, I am, you finally posted something I find true and accurate.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #58 on: March 07, 2020, 11:41:40 AM »
Exactly what my ultimate point has been.

The America everyone has been taught to believe is not the America of today.  We can debate what events and dates when it began its transformation, but the fact is the new America is beginning to take shape and there is nothing that is going to stop its evolution in the years to come.

From what we see in the erosion of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, especially in the slow, but steady state-by-state repealing of the 2nd Amendment; the new America is headed to becoming a true fascist police state.  The migration of the liberals and democrats as well as influx of illegal immigrants to historically Republican and conservative states will further tip the national and local election scales that will support this change. 

Stay Tuned for More!

Every country goes though peaks and valleys in its social and political landscape.  It's the natural order of things.

We are not a British Colony.

We are not pushing Westward to settle and tame the vast majority of the North American continent.

We are not fighting to end slavery or prevent states from seceding from the US.

We are not taking weeks to travel a few hundred miles to get somewhere,

We are not waiting weeks or even days for written news to reach us so we know how friends and family are doing.

We are not waiting for the local newspaper to be on the street to know what's going on in the country and the world.

We have politicians who live their entire lives in government office now whereas those positions were originally intended to be a short-term side gig, as the office holders maintained their own farms or businesses in the meantime.

We are not being served by our press corps.  They view us as their servants, providing billions of dollars per year in revenue so they can feed us their biased and sensationalized nonsense rather than real news.

Our schools no longer teach real history.  The teachers/system interject their own opinions and biases into the lectures which shapes the minds of graduates.

The society and political arena have changes as technology has changed.  What you may have been "taught to believe" in the last 90 years is going to be different than what you were taught to believe 5 years ago.

I don't believe your premise is correct.  What YOU and I were taught to believe was taught long before the Liberals got ahold of the schools.  What they apparently are being taught to believe now is "Socialism works," "Conservatism = Fascism" and "America is just an evil, oppressive empire that owes its residents free everything because wealth = greed, and greed = evil."

#distressed

The problem isn't that our ideals don't represent the current state of things.  It's that so many have been taught those ideals are a lie, which created a vacuum in people's lives that has been filled for some with a belief in big government and lack of faith in individual responsibility.

That's my take on it from a bird's eye view.  It's easier to convince people their ideals and beliefs are wrong when you only point to where there are failings while ignoring the accomplishments and positives.  Reminds me of the story of the Ten Commandments, and the constant nay-saying by Dathan.  He blamed Moses for every road block the Jews encountered when leaving Egypt until the people finally started to believe in his words and not so much in what Moses taught them.

People are too easily convinced a system is bad when confronted by evidence that not everything is perfect.  It's far easier to give up than to continue to work toward an ideal.  True, that ideal might be unattainable for now, but I guarantee it'll never happen if we stop trying.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: HPD press conference for mag ban
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2020, 07:03:41 PM »
"Our schools no longer teach real history.  The teachers/system interject their own opinions and biases into the lectures which shapes the minds of graduates."

Nothing wrong with critical reflection, as long as all perspectives are considered.



"What they apparently are being taught to believe now is "Socialism works,"

Socialism does work if utilized pragmatically.



"Conservatism = Fascism"

Today's neoconservatism is fascism.



"America is just an evil, oppressive empire that owes its residents free everything because wealth = greed, and greed = evil."

America is an empire that has become a welfare state because it allowed its ultrawealthy to predominantly own, control, and monopolize the majority of the nation's wealth and resources.

Greed is a necessary virtue needed to become ultrawealthy.  Although it may not be evil, it certainly does not benefit society to have ultrawealthy people running the show.



"#distressed"

With the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights slowly being rescinded by the powers-that-be in this country, I believe being in a state of distress is an understatement.

 

"People are too easily convinced a system is bad when confronted by evidence that not everything is perfect.  It's far easier to give up than to continue to work toward an ideal.  True, that ideal might be unattainable for now, but I guarantee it'll never happen if we stop trying."

You are essentially advocating beating on a dead horse, as similarly thinking as though Hawaii will eventually become 2nd Amendment friendly one day.

Wake up, America is DONE.  Having Trump as President is only delaying the inevitable.

For example, you really think America will maintain its Bill of Rights?

Tell that to the all of the Police Department's in America who are against the 2nd Amendment.

Tell that to all the Congressmen in US House and Senate who refuse to repeal the Patriot Act.