Only drove through OK on I-40, no idea about the local critters.

Could never live in a place so flat and bleak.  Need a view like I have now, just without the miserable political climate of Hawaii.

When I think of OK, I envision life in the movie The Outsiders. 

This state is broken. I hate to be “one of those people” that flee a state rather then stand and try to change the laws but I just see no light at the end of the tunnel. People here, especially Hawaiians, don’t give a crap about politics. This allows politicians to run unelected and propose and enforce crappy policies. I don’t see myself living here much longer.

With that being said, what state, if you had to, would you guys go to? I’d love to go to Wyoming. Clean air, secluded, unreal hunting and fishing, lax gun laws, just to name a few things. Frigid winters is the only thing stopping me. How about you guys?

I agree with everything you say. You can play a losing hand to the best of your ability but sometimes it makes sense to fold. My wife is open to the idea but we can’t be more than 30-40 min away from a major town. I’m looking at getting at least 1 acre with a house and don’t want to spend more than $500k.

I’m looking at specifically CDA in Idaho, and a Connifer Colorado.

We were looking at Durham NH because close to my wife’s family but Gave up when we realized prop taxes for a 300-400k house is around $10k! 

I worry about CO being more blue though. Most of the props there are $400-500k, 1 acre 2000-2500sq ft 3/2.  30 min from Denver.

CDA is about 30-40 min from Spokane, and I found some acreage and a nice house for less than $500k.

I worry about the cold for both and will miss the surf terribly, but the way I’m setting it up, I should be able to make solid cash flow renting out my property here, move to the mainland and have cheaper everything. I won’t need to make nearly as much. Probably would feel the same making half.

Not sure if my income will come back here, if it does anytime soon I’d be happy to make 50-75% of what I was making.  They say Hawai’i is hit the hardest and I have to agree hospitality states will feel the worst. Couple in the fact that the state is full of asleep citizens and corrupt lazy politicians that rather fight trump than get things rolling, and well, you get the idea.

This event has me really concerned living in one of the most remote places with a lot of people in a small area.


I like threads like these. Keep the info coming. More like minded people.

I agree with everything you say. You can play a losing hand to the best of your ability but sometimes it makes sense to fold. My wife is open to the idea but we can’t be more than 30-40 min away from a major town. I’m looking at getting at least 1 acre with a house and don’t want to spend more than $500k.

I’m looking at specifically CDA in Idaho, and a Connifer Colorado.

We were looking at Durham NH because close to my wife’s family but Gave up when we realized prop taxes for a 300-400k house is around $10k! 

I worry about CO being more blue though. Most of the props there are $400-500k, 1 acre 2000-2500sq ft 3/2.  30 min from Denver.

CDA is about 30-40 min from Spokane, and I found some acreage and a nice house for less than $500k.

I worry about the cold for both and will miss the surf terribly, but the way I’m setting it up, I should be able to make solid cash flow renting out my property here, move to the mainland and have cheaper everything. I won’t need to make nearly as much. Probably would feel the same making half.

Not sure if my income will come back here, if it does anytime soon I’d be happy to make 50-75% of what I was making.  They say Hawai’i is hit the hardest and I have to agree hospitality states will feel the worst. Couple in the fact that the state is full of asleep citizens and corrupt lazy politicians that rather fight trump than get things rolling, and well, you get the idea.

This event has me really concerned living in one of the most remote places with a lot of people in a small area.


I like threads like these. Keep the info coming. More like minded people.

Colorado! My cousins husband is from Colorado. They lived there for a few years and loved it. Huge beautiful mansion for about the same price as a 2 bdrm condo here 
Plus there’s great elk hunting. Cold winters though, I think I could live in Colorado although like you mentioned I’m the “blueness” worries me.

Colorado! My cousins husband is from Colorado. They lived there for a few years and loved it. Huge beautiful mansion for about the same price as a 2 bdrm condo here 
Plus there’s great elk hunting. Cold winters though, I think I could live in Colorado although like you mentioned I’m the “blueness” worries me.

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/

Can’t be that blue though!  I’ve heard the mag ban is super neutered, as in gun shops just sell you “parts kits.”

Based on the above link, it’s a hell of a lot better than HI!

I think I’ll like a Connifer better since there’s so much to do in the area but ID has to be one of the last states to turn I’d imagine, just like WY. 

A friend of mine, a staunch 2A supporter recently moved to Washington. Apparently, and someone correct me if I’m wrong, if you live close to the coast it is quite liberal. But as you cross into the central to eastern part it becomes quite conservative. He bought 40 acres for some minuscule amount to hunt and shoot on. And he bought a home on a different piece of property. Closer to a big city for his wife. I don’t remember all the details but he seems to think it is the ultimate place to live after living in Hawaii. Just another place to think about.

BTW, I don’t know about the area you mentioned with the high property taxes, so you might want to look into it. Most states with super high property taxes like you said usually have low to no sales taxes. In some cases they will counteract each other meaning you will pay the same either in a state with low property taxes and mid to high sales taxes or high property taxes with low to no sales tax. I think this is how TX is. A friend moved to TX to be near his family about a year ago. He figured out he was paying about the same there with the high property taxes but no sales tax. I’m not saying it is this way with the area you mentioned but you might want to check it out.

Prescott Valley ? 

Did you know that you're a mere 80 miles away from Dillon Precision ? 

I worry about CO being more blue though.

What I gather, CO is only democrat in Denver area.  Like other democrat dominated states: one or two large cities control a fairly normal state.  Was conservative for very many decades, so apparently a lot of liberals moved into Denver like happened to SF and LA in California.  Not a very tenable long term condition, inner city against the rest of the state..

the way I’m setting it up, I should be able to make solid cash flow renting out my property here, move to the mainland and have cheaper everything.

Wife is thinking along those lines, though I am not.  If I leave for a place I can go shooting, not worry about checking my property at night armed, all the crap they keep coming up with here, no way I come back.

Arizona needs more conservatives moving there to offset the liberals from CA moving to Phoenix and Tucson.

Prescott Valley ? 

Did you know that you're a mere 80 miles away from Dillon Precision ? 

Even closer to Paulding and Col Cooper's Gunsite.

Prescott Valley ? 

Did you know that you're a mere 80 miles away from Dillon Precision ? 

And just down the road apiece from Ruger

What I gather, CO is only democrat in Denver area.  Like other democrat dominated states: one or two large cities control a fairly normal state.  Was conservative for very many decades, so apparently a lot of liberals moved into Denver like happened to SF and LA in California.  Not a very tenable long term condition, inner city against the rest of the state..



Wife is thinking along those lines, though I am not.  If I leave for a place I can go shooting, not worry about checking my property at night armed, all the crap they keep coming up with here, no way I come back.

Arizona needs more conservatives moving there to offset the liberals from CA moving to Phoenix and Tucson.

That’s what I’ve heard as well. Most of Oregon/Washington even a Cali outside of the cities is really conservative. I gather CO is suffering the same fate. I’d hate to move somewhere and have similar “Hawai’i feelings” a decade down the road. Heck, even all the libs are moving to Boise as well.  Why isn’t there more blue states turning red!?

I’d hate to sell my place here because the appreciation has been steady for the last 100 years. Lol. It is attractive though. Selling high and taking that huge payout as opposed to the steady-eddy monthly cash flow.

Prescott Valley ? 

Did you know that you're a mere 80 miles away from Dillon Precision ? 

I’m still learning but I think I know pretty much everything around me. 

I can’t wait for this stupid virus to die so I can get out and visit/shop!!! 

And just down the road apiece from Ruger

Actually drove by Ruger in August when we were here. But no factory tours. 

Even closer to Paulding and Col Cooper's Gunsite.

Have not visited Paulding or Gunsite yet. But my brother and I are planning.

I've tossed the idea around of moving to TX with some buddies that live there.  Also UT and MT for other reasons.  But none very seriously since I was taking care of elder family.  Now that those family members have passed, less of an anchor keeping me here.  Right now, it's a good job (at least overall and relatively) and current generation family.

TX is turning blue.  All the CA people fleeing CA to TX are taking their politics which they are fleeing from to TX.

Visited my sister in-law and her husband in Rice Lake WI and fell in love with that place.  40 acre wooded lot for about $100,000.  Bought my Henry 45-70 and a shotgun there.  Just showed my ID (instant back ground) gave my credit card and i was out of the store in 20 minutes. 

TX is turning blue.  All the CA people fleeing CA to TX are taking their politics which they are fleeing to TX.

Visited my sister in-law and her husband in Rice Lake WI and fell in love with that place.  40 acre wooded lot for about $100,000.  Bought my Henry 45-70 and a shotgun there.  Just showed my ID (instant back ground) gave my credit card and i was out of the store in 20 minutes.

I hear that from my buddies in TX, particularly from the one that lives near Houston.  While I could certainly consider politics, it's not super high on my list of factors.  I lived in Seattle for over 10 years and I hate what has come of that city.  I used to say that I would move back there, but I don't think so anymore.  I mean I think I could under the right set of circumstances.  That said, I don't ever see myself moving to CA or NY based primarily on politics. 

I’m still learning but I think I know pretty much everything around me. 

I can’t wait for this stupid virus to die so I can get out and visit/shop!!! 

Wife and I are frustrated only being avble to look at real estate online.  Knowing that the photos only show houses in the best  way possible.  And keep seeing the stuff of interest get sold very quickly.

Really like to get on a plane and look in person, but with this crap. 

I hear that from my buddies in TX, particularly from the one that lives near Houston.  While I could certainly consider politics, it's not super high on my list of factors.  I lived in Seattle for over 10 years and I hate what has come of that city.  I used to say that I would move back there, but I don't think so anymore.  I mean I think I could under the right set of circumstances.  That said, I don't ever see myself moving to CA or NY based primarily on politics.

My conservative brother and sister-in-law own 2 homes in SoCal. Their son and his family lives in one of the homes and they live in the other. Their son loves SoCal cuz he is a beach/SUP person and he doesn’t want to lose connection to the ocean. My brother and sister-in-law hate what SoCal has become and wants to move. But when I push them about selling their house they say they want to stay near their son. I remind them that they own the house he lives in and that if they sell it he will have to move and I guarantee he will move to where ever they move to. After that I get that they say it will start WWIII and they don’t want to deal with it.

When I lived in SoCal I couldn’t wait to get out of there. The political environment is stressful. You are constantly bombarded with all the ridiculous policies and new rules you have to deal with taking away more and more freedom. It really is propaganda and brain washing to an extent. You are told what they are going to do and it is for the better good of CA and the world and they are going to tax you more and you are going to like it. And my liberal family drinks the Kool aid and walks around like lemmings.

Wife and I are frustrated only being avble to look at real estate online.  Knowing that the photos only show houses in the best  way possible.  And keep seeing the stuff of interest get sold very quickly.

Really like to get on a plane and look in person, but with this crap.

I would wait. No need to have to deal with this virus insanity any more than you have to.

You are right in wanting to see the house in person. But actually, you also want to see the neighborhood and surrounding area as well. When I was looking at homes in Prescott Valley online I saw some terrific houses. Usually they were a little older house at a decent price. I was hoping we could find one around $250k-$275k. After we got there and actually saw the houses, most were as nice as shown on the Internet. But the surrounding houses and neighborhood was not so great. Not bad, just that a lot homes that need upkeep. It brings down the value of the better homes. So we spent a little more and bought in an upscale neighborhood. 

So where are you looking to buy?

My conservative brother and sister-in-law own 2 homes in SoCal. Their son and his family lives in one of the homes and they live in the other. Their son loves SoCal cuz he is a beach/SUP person and he doesn’t want to lose connection to the ocean. My brother and sister-in-law hate what SoCal has become and wants to move. But when I push them about selling their house they say they want to stay near their son. I remind them that they own the house he lives in and that if they sell it he will have to move and I guarantee he will move to where ever they move to. After that I get that they say it will start WWIII and they don’t want to deal with it.

When I lived in SoCal I couldn’t wait to get out of there. The political environment is stressful. You are constantly bombarded with all the ridiculous policies and new rules you have to deal with taking away more and more freedom. It really is propaganda and brain washing to an extent. You are told what they are going to do and it is for the better good of CA and the world and they are going to tax you more and you are going to like it. And my liberal family drinks the Kool aid and walks around like lemmings.

Sounds a lot like what Seattle has become.  Almost sad to see what some of what my friends post.  Well, now that I think back, one was an uber liberal before I knew what the hell that was.  I went to college with both her and her husband and even worked with her husband for almost 10 years after and he never thought like that.  At least when we were in college.  I remember that she got all mad at me one time because I got a good grade in a class where the professor stated up front that class participation weighs heavily on your grade.  Well, she was mad because I didn't say much in class but got an A and she spoke a lot and got a B.  Well, equal opportunity, not equal results.  I tried to explain to her that she was usually just arguing because she thought she was correct as opposed to looking at the situation logically and rationally.  Remind you of anyone? 

Not a whole lot in CA super appeals to me.  I mean I visited SD maybe 3-4 years ago and loved it when I visited, but that was a work trip and one of my college buddies was there and we were able to hang out. 

I already decided that if I moved to the mainland, I would rent a place and get a feel for the area.  If I liked it, then I would buy.  That would also give you more time to look.  I wish I could have had that luxury when I moved to the BI, but with 5 dogs, 2 cats and 7 birds that all live in the house, I pretty much had to buy..