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pj_benn

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2020, 02:48:08 PM »
Why do people Have to join groups on fb just to get information about it? Trying to boost numbers to make it seem like it has more support? Trying to control posts on the group page?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2020, 03:17:42 PM »
Quote from: pj_benn on April 28, 2020, 02:48:08 PM
Why do people Have to join groups on fb just to get information about it? Trying to boost numbers to make it seem like it has more support? Trying to control posts on the group page?

Lack of experience with non-FB options?

Belief that everybody uses FB, thus it's the best place to reach the most people?

There's no single communications service that can reach everybody in a given geographical region, unless you happen to be working at the Civil Defense bunker.   :shake:

Until there's a better option, FB has the numbers and offers the simplest apps to get in tough with other FB members.  Sharing an event with 10 people can get you 1000 shares or more in a couple of hours.

It would be reasonable to add a newsletter signup on this site for members to opt in for event announcements, legislative news, and other discrete topics of interest.  That way people who don't visit very often can get certain notices in a timely manner.

Something like that could easily be added to the signup process or profile settings.

Online tools are only as powerful as the owners are willing and able to make them.

https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/SMF2.0:News_and_newsletters
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matt0137

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2020, 03:57:56 PM »
Quote from: pj_benn on April 28, 2020, 02:48:08 PM
Why do people Have to join groups on fb just to get information about it? Trying to boost numbers to make it seem like it has more support? Trying to control posts on the group page?

I posted here more than a week ago and not a single response. I posted again with the date/time for the rally. If joining FB was mandatory to get information, I wouldn't have put the details here would I? And what's the intent of your comment about trying to control posts? You trying to call me out for letting people know about a rally at the capitol?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2020, 04:20:04 PM »
Quote from: matt0137 on April 28, 2020, 03:57:56 PM
I posted here more than a week ago and not a single response. I posted again with the date/time for the rally. If joining FB was mandatory to get information, I wouldn't have put the details here would I? And what's the intent of your comment about trying to control posts? You trying to call me out for letting people know about a rally at the capitol?

Reading his post, I just see a question as to why he has to JOIN THE GROUP to read about the events.

The answer as far as I know is some groups on FB make them closed, so they can control who can make comments, see who else is a member, etc.  Too many trolls on FB like to disrupt groups.  Controlling who can and can't have access to the group's info is a management decision.  And, if they do let a disrupter in, they can kick them out. 

It might be inconvenient for everyone to have to join, but that's what the event/group organizers decided.  Not so much about forcing the numbers up as keeping order.
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pj_benn

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2020, 08:06:28 PM »


Quote from: matt0137 on April 24, 2020, 05:42:49 PM
there's a lot more information if you join one of the groups.

Why
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hvybarrels

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2020, 09:49:49 PM »
I do not do Facebook. I want to make sure the CIA/NSA has to get a FISA letter to keep tabs on my political activity. FB tied straight into their mainframe. Same with Gmail.
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matt0137

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2020, 10:42:49 PM »
Quote from: pj_benn on April 28, 2020, 08:06:28 PM

Why

...because it's impossible to duplicate hundreds of posts and several thousand comments and there are several other groups working towards the same goal as well. I put the day/time/location and reason for the protest in the post above. It was not some big conspiracy to get you to be on a FB page.
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pj_benn

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2020, 10:33:03 AM »
What’s so hard about making the groups open? Are they trying to censor what’s said in group? Trying to boost numbers and make it seem like there are more supporters?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2020, 01:58:51 PM »
Quote from: pj_benn on April 29, 2020, 10:33:03 AM
What’s so hard about making the groups open? Are they trying to censor what’s said in group? Trying to boost numbers and make it seem like there are more supporters?

It's not a difficult concept.

In an open group, comments made there can show up in your newsfeed for everyone (based on newsfeed privacy settings) to see.

For a controversial issue like gun control, you might not want everything you and the others post in the group to be displayed on your newsfeed. 

For example, if your boss is a "friend" on FB, and he or she disagrees with gun rights groups protesting against "common sense" laws, it could be a problem if he/she sees your comments from the group.

Basically, comments made in the group do not stay in the group when it's open.  People who have a problem with that might be less comfortable posting to the group.
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matt0137

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2020, 02:17:31 PM »
Quote from: pj_benn on April 29, 2020, 10:33:03 AM
What’s so hard about making the groups open? Are they trying to censor what’s said in group? Trying to boost numbers and make it seem like there are more supporters?

Trolls. In a closed group, they can be blocked and comments deleted.

The purpose of the group is to strategize and plan an event, not get into constant debate or have the issue hijacked constantly.

Case in point - this thread was started to let everyone know about about a rally to protest tyranny and is now about Facebook rules and protocol.
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pj_benn

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2020, 10:47:45 AM »
Ok it’s a closed group so that they can censor. Cool. You encourage us to join the group but get all upset when i ask a few questions about joining? Relax.

I would assume you’d be happy to explain and debate to help get people get on board with your cause. Seems like you just want blind followers. Do you even know what you really want out of this all or are you just blindly following too?
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Rocky

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2020, 02:20:44 PM »
Quote from: pj_benn on April 30, 2020, 10:47:45 AM
Ok it’s a closed group so that they can censor. Cool. You encourage us to join the group but get all upset when i ask a few questions about joining? Relax.
I would assume you’d be happy to explain and debate to help get people get on board with your cause. Seems like you just want blind followers. Do you even know what you really want out of this all or are you just blindly following too?
"Please come down to the capitol on May 1st at noon to protest the lockdown of Hawaii and get Ige/Caldwell to ReOpen Hawaii."
Pretty simple.
No need to join any group.
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matt0137

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2020, 03:26:03 PM »
Quote from: Rocky on April 30, 2020, 02:20:44 PM
"Please come down to the capitol on May 1st at noon to protest the lockdown of Hawaii and get Ige/Caldwell to ReOpen Hawaii."
Pretty simple.
No need to join any group.

You're absolutely correct.

I wasn't trying to make it complicated. I just added that, if anyone wanted, they could get more information and join with others on the FB group. Nobody had to join any group and all are welcome. I am expecting a large turnout based on the passion I'm seeing from members. I hope many people on this forum see the benefit in coming down to the capitol tomorrow.
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Rocky

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2020, 04:50:36 PM »
Quote from: matt0137 on April 30, 2020, 03:26:03 PM
"I wasn't trying to make it complicated. I just added that, if anyone wanted, they could "...... T M I   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
GL w/  rally, event, protest, expression of 1a rights  :thumbsup:
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hvybarrels

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2020, 10:54:13 AM »
Not seeing anything in the news, but that is the same experience of the 2a rally.
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drck1000

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2020, 12:32:00 PM »
This made the live update from HNN.  Was reported as a "protest". . .
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changemyoil66

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2020, 12:36:11 PM »
Huntington Beach and others in CA were pretty huge.  Surprising for CA.
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Rocky

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2020, 01:08:22 PM »
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Kuleana

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2020, 03:48:23 PM »
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matt0137

Re: Rally to ReOpen Hawaii May 1st
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2020, 04:50:33 PM »
Quote from: Kuleana on May 01, 2020, 03:48:23 PM
Hey Matt, please tell me you weren't one of those who got arrested. 

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/05/01/breaking-news/arrests-made-at-reopen-hawaii-rally-in-front-of-state-capitol/

Not me. I was running about 10 minutes late and the guy in the photo was being arrested as I was walking up. The article says 5 citations - that's not true. They were handing them out like candy.

I took my 13 year old son with me and my wife made me promise to not get arrested and leave him alone there. She didn't want to have to come pick him up.  :)
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