Socialism works... (Read 46479 times)

ren

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2020, 09:02:58 AM »
so how much yield does radiation emit?
Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #81 on: May 14, 2020, 09:49:54 AM »
so how much yield does radiation emit?

I don't know and I don't want to find out if such radiation is released.

Do you?

drck1000

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #82 on: May 14, 2020, 10:21:08 AM »
Yield applies to both conventional and nuclear weapons.  Radiation release is more unique to specific weapons, nuclear being one of them.

Mixing terms based leading to confusion. . .

ren

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2020, 10:32:31 AM »
I don't know and I don't want to find out if such radiation is released.

Do you?


There is a lot of lumen in light....as much candlepower in a sun.....
30 caliber magazine in half a second...
Deeds Not Words

groveler

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #84 on: May 14, 2020, 11:22:11 AM »
Yield applies to both conventional and nuclear weapons.  Radiation release is more unique to specific weapons, nuclear being one of them.

Mixing terms based leading to confusion. . .
While stationed in Guam we were dispatched to work on an aircraft.
It turned out the aircraft had flown through and sampled a Chinese Nuke test,
but had not been de-contaminated.  Once the "brass" figured it out,
We were  de-contaminated, issued new uniforms( threw all our stuff away),
extensive medical tests, and doctors lectures on the health risks we faced.
Must have been a pretty dirty bomb.






drck1000

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #85 on: May 14, 2020, 11:57:45 AM »
While stationed in Guam we were dispatched to work on an aircraft.
It turned out the aircraft had flown through and sampled a Chinese Nuke test,
but had not been de-contaminated.  Once the "brass" figured it out,
We were  de-contaminated, issued new uniforms( threw all our stuff away),
extensive medical tests, and doctors lectures on the health risks we faced.
Must have been a pretty dirty bomb.
I've only had to wear a dosimeter a handful of times in my life.  Though I have many friends who have to wear one on a daily basis for work.   :o

macsak

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #86 on: May 14, 2020, 12:08:52 PM »
I've only had to wear a dosimeter a handful of times in my life. Though I have many friends who have to wear one on a daily basis for work.   :o

they must be real medical workers...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #87 on: May 14, 2020, 12:12:22 PM »
You claim the possibility of an invasion from China.  What evidence suggests China has ever invaded any of its neighbors in the last 100 years or will do such a thing against another nuclear power?  If anything, it is the US who is poised for an invasion of China will all of its forward operating bases in the region.

China Uses Pandemic to Boost Military Pressure on Taiwan

A U.S. congressional report warns of aggressive actions by the People’s Liberation Army against Taipei.
MAY 12, 2020

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/12/china-coronavirus-military-pressure-taiwan/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #88 on: May 14, 2020, 12:31:32 PM »
they must be real medical workers...
Nope, guess again. 

 :rofl:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #89 on: May 14, 2020, 12:34:57 PM »
US Sends Destroyer To South China Sea As Tensions Escalate,
Trump Says He Doesnt Want To Talk To Xi


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #90 on: May 14, 2020, 01:37:17 PM »
US Sends Destroyer To South China Sea As Tensions Escalate,
Trump Says He Doesnt Want To Talk To Xi



I'm a "Strategic Air  Command" trained killer.
You know, Nuke them till they glow.
This guy in the video is fighting the last war.
Not the next one.
War is bad for business.
Preventing war is VERY
good business.
Unless you are a Democrat, socialist, or Commie
You'd have figured that out when you were 25 years
old or so.


Flapp_Jackson

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #91 on: May 14, 2020, 01:46:32 PM »
I'm a "Strategic Air  Command" trained killer.
You know, Nuke them till they glow.
This guy in the video is fighting the last war.
Not the next one.
War is bad for business.
Preventing war is VERY
good business.
Unless you are a Democrat, socialist, or Commie
You'd have figured that out when you were 25 years
old or so.

I agree, just like Little Rocket Man's saber rattling.  They get the attention of the US and benefit by negotiating a "truce".
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #92 on: May 14, 2020, 03:41:28 PM »
Nope, guess again. 

 :rofl:
My sons God Parent is a "Glowing Squid".
They are unusual but I guess that comes with the territory working in the engine room of a "non-conventional" sub.
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

drck1000

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #93 on: May 14, 2020, 03:46:11 PM »
My sons God Parent is a "Glowing Squid".
They are unusual but I guess that comes with the territory working in the engine room of a "non-conventional" sub.
Or maintaining them. . .

Think of the plants that handle the "defueling" operations on those vessels.   :shake:

groveler

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #94 on: May 15, 2020, 07:11:08 AM »
Or maintaining them. . .

Think of the plants that handle the "defueling" operations on those vessels.   :shake:
Puget sound Naval shipyard, Bremerton WA.
I kept my sailboat parked abut three miles away.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #95 on: May 15, 2020, 10:20:44 AM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #96 on: May 15, 2020, 11:05:36 PM »

Two of the many reasons no officially nuclear armed nation, including the US, has ever used its missiles since Hiroshima and Nagasaki, is the simple fact of mutually assured destruction in the case of a nuclear peer and the World condemnation for the environmental fallout that would result in the aftermath.

That is why nukes aren't going to be a deterrent to a ground invasion.

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You say the Taliban attacked the US; when and where did they attack?

Sorry, meant al quaida

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You claim the possibility of an invasion from China.  What evidence suggests China has ever invaded any of its neighbors in the last 100 years or will do such a thing against another nuclear power?  If anything, it is the US who is poised for an invasion of China will all of its forward operating bases in the region.

How about building new islands for military bases. I don't think China is going to try and invade the USA anytime soon, it was more of an example. They would have a very hard time actually reaching America given our Navy and current capabilities. But there are tensions and they are a very large military force. If China can knock us off it makes them the top dog, or close to it.


[/quote]What invasion force from Mexico or Canada would march their troops over an area that just been nuked?

Would you take a stroll with your family through an area that has just been exposed to high yield radiation?
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You are suggesting using nuclear radiation as a border wall? I don't think you understand how ridiculous that would be. The southern border is so large you would need to use hundreds or maybe thousands of nuclear weapons. No one would use nukes like that, that's just crazy

Kuleana

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #97 on: May 16, 2020, 06:34:57 AM »
That is why nukes aren't going to be a deterrent to a ground invasion.

If so, then what are the greatest weapons of mass destruction good for?




How about building new islands for military bases. I don't think China is going to try and invade the USA anytime soon, it was more of an example. They would have a very hard time actually reaching America given our Navy and current capabilities. But there are tensions and they are a very large military force. If China can knock us off it makes them the top dog, or close to it.

Once again, there is no evidence that China has any intentions for a war of conquest of North America, unless the US thinks the South China Sea is part of the American empire.



You are suggesting using nuclear radiation as a border wall? I don't think you understand how ridiculous that would be. The southern border is so large you would need to use hundreds or maybe thousands of nuclear weapons. No one would use nukes like that, that's just crazy.

No, I meant if Canada or Mexico ever had the sufficient strength to militarily invade the US and the US felt they could not stop the invasion, the invading forces would get nuked as soon as they got near the border.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #98 on: May 16, 2020, 12:52:32 PM »
If so, then what are the greatest weapons of mass destruction good for?
Didn't you already answer that yourself? 

M.A.D. 

The purpose is deterrence.  If a nuclear power nation thinks they can win a nuclear exchange, they are more likely going to use that option.  Certain self destruction is a powerful deterrent.  Reference "The Cold War" and "Arms Race".

The best defensive weapons are the ones you never have to use.

There is an entire doctrine covering conventional and non-conventional warfare (e.g. guerrilla) in the nuclear age.  If you didn't hate the military so blindingly, maybe you could research?  It's too voluminous and complicated to try and explain on a forum -- especially when every attempt would simply be argued against as if you know more than the professionals who developed that doctrine.


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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: Socialism works...
« Reply #99 on: May 16, 2020, 01:11:14 PM »
I find this kind of ironic as when I was in 1st or  2nd grade, I was already thinking of moving to Hawaii (remember duck and cover?) because 'No one in their right mind would bomb Hawaii, it's the only gas station between East and West (so to speak).  ;)
Logical thinking at that young of an age I must say.  :geekdanc:
Unfortunately, that theory no longer holds true as there are those out there who would blow themselves up with a nuke at their family reunion in their hometown in the name of . . not gonna go there.
:stopjack:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt