I definitely will but just curious since most people tend to change it..

I mean go for it if you're interested.  Just sharing my perspective, which admittedly I'm not a tinkerer.  I generally tend to keep closer to stock, but will certainly try things that I feel are enablers.  However, I do have many shooting buddies who are tinkerers, so they'll have a different perspective.  Overall, it's your gun and have fun shooting it! 

As for aftermarket FCG, I've always associated Apex with M&Ps.  Now my M&P is one gun where I will eventually try the Apex.  I've shot the stock trigger a lot and it's horrible.  But being a 45, I rarely shoot it. 

I definitely will but just curious since most people tend to change it..

Some OEM Glock triggers you spend big $$$$ for are simply stock triggers from Glock that have been polished.  Most people are not willing to try polishing their only trigger and maybe mess something up.  Also, once you do the polishing, there's no going back if you decide you aren't happy with it. 


Most professional OEM triggers are legal for stock gun classes in competitions. Another factor to consider is self/home defense shootings, should the prosecutor raise the issue that you had a "hair trigger" installed.  An OEM trigger might be less "scary" to a jury than a low tension, deadly-accurate after-market version.


My after-market triggers came with various weight-rated springs.  Be sure if you change them out to put a few hundred test rounds through the gun.  I had an issue with the lightest spring causing light primer strikes.  Only 3 in 5 rounds would fire.


If you don't know what you like, it's best to practice with someone who has a modified trigger or other parts. That's the only way to compare what you have versus what you could get.


Initially, there's absolutely nothing wrong with stock.  You might save yourself half the cost of the gun or more by avoiding the "make my gun perfect" obsession.


Just because most people get sucked into the upgrade frenzy doesn't mean they are all correct.  Dollar cost vs. increase in performance I imagine is not that great for amateur competitions and range practice.


If you're right-handed, Glocks tend to push the shot to your left (and down).  Part of that is pure ergonomics.  Your trigger  finger bends where it bends, and the trigger has to be in a forward position relative to the trigger hinge pin to give you a full rearward pull direction -- i.e. straight back.  My Glocks tend to put the trigger further back of my trigger finger's middle joint, so when I squeeze, I am pushing the trigger to the left -- and of course the muzzle, too.  I wind up with the finger moving at 2 joints, not just one.  That's my assessment anyway, and many other Glock shooters online have the same analysis.


Other guns, like my 1911 .45s and target guns that emulate the 1911's grip don't do that.  Of course, the 1911 mags are single-stacked, allowing the grip to be thinner than a double-stacked Glock's grip.  The 1911 fits much better in my hand with the trigger in a better position relative to my finger joints, so the tendency to push left isn't there.


That's just one example of (1) why you should sample various handguns for fit and function, and (2) avoid making after-market improvements until after you've practiced enough to make sure the best use of your funds isn't more range ammo.


 

I appreciate all your feedback!   

I definitely will but just curious since most people tend to change it..

No man I get it but I'm just suggesting shoot it even if it's just to find out what you don't like.  You may end up like me and putting the stock one back because the aftermarket trigger was too light.

Had a lot of pistols over the years and most on your list.  My favorite all around handgun I’ve had besides my Shadow 2 is one of my modified P-01s.  If I could only take one with me in a shtf scenario, it’d be my Gen 5 G19 w/ RMR.  Personally, I think a lot of guns are a lot more comfortable than glocks and I’m more accurate with my CZs, but in a shtf situation, I think of parts compatibility etc.

While I like to support local, if there’s a gun that you truly want that is out of stock here, they can often be found online at lower than you’ll find here even with adding the FFL fee...

Some OEM Glock triggers you spend big $$$$ for are simply stock triggers from Glock that have been polished.  Most people are not willing to try polishing their only trigger and maybe mess something up.  Also, once you do the polishing, there's no going back if you decide you aren't happy with it. 

Yup.  I would add that from feedback on folks that I know that have tried the aftermarket FCGs is that the best ones (both in "feel" and functional reliability) are where work as done on OEM Glock components. 

I appreciate all your feedback!   

One more thing I'd like to add is that I have two Gucci Glocks with very nice triggers.  The break and other aspects (creep, reset, etc) are noticeably different from my stock 17s.  That said, I haven't noticed an "OMG this trigger is awesome" experience.  I mean I sort of notice when shooting slow fire groups for testing the gun, zeroing/checking dot and sights, etc.  In training use, I don't really notice it that much. 

Aloha,

looking to purchase my first pistol. G17 or G19 gen5 mos , Vp9 optic ready, Cz P10-C , Sig p320 and Canik tp9 sc elite.

 Right now  G17 gen5 mos is on the top of my list since G19 and Cz p10 C is on backorder and not sure when they will be back in stock.  How are the Sig p320 and Canik tp9 sc elite?  I heard they are good as well.  How is the recoil compared to the G17?  I’m thinking they are a little more snappy?    What favorite pistol do you guys have?🤙

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Depends on your experience level and budget.
If you have lots of trigger time under your belt, go for the pistols you listed.
If not, I would start with a 22. You will never regret owning a 22.

Just FYI, but you can always send your slide away for an optics cut.

JL did two of my VP9s (i sold one of them to a friend).  when i got my cuts (different years) it cost me $50 for the cut itself.  it was only $50 more if you wanted the slide cerakoted.  he regularly does sales; the most recent one was at the start of the COVID-19 lock down.  My optics sit lower on my slide compared to the guns that use an adapter plate from the factory (i.e. Glock MOS, VP9 Optics Ready, etc.).  here's his website:  https://jlmachiningworks.com/

of the ones you're considering, I have a p320 RX compact, a glock 17 gen 3 (non MOS), and a VP9.  i haven't tried the g17 with an optic yet, but my slide is cut to accept it.

my general thoughts:
- the ergos on the glocks kind of suck in general, but the gen 5 is definitely an improvement over the gen 3 and 4.  the vp9 has the best ergonomics by far.  the p320 has a near limitless potential for improved grip because of the modularity.  i currently run mine with a sig x-carry grip module, but there are at least a few aftermarket grip module manufacturers joining the market.  even wilson combat makes grip modules for the p320 now.
- the vp9 is slightly more snappy than the p320, but barely noticeable unless you're shooting them back to back.  the glock 17 isn't very snappy, but that could be bc i was using a G17L slide and barrel.
- sig and HK mags are expensive, but they occasionally go on sale.  you just need to wait for the deals.  I have a ton of 10-round HK mags if you're looking to buy some.  glock mags will always be cheaper than the sig and hk mags.
- no matter how much you upgrade the glock trigger, it will still feel worse than a stock vp9 trigger.  you probably will not notice it much until you get more accustomed to shooting handguns.  some people don't care and aren't trigger snobs whereas some people are.  some people are such good shooters that they will shoot fine with a stock glock trigger.  however, keep in mind that the gen 5 glock trigger definitely feels better than the gen 3 and 4.
- glocks are very customizable.  i started with a serialized/registered stripped glock lower (not P80) and bought all of the parts individually to assemble the whole gun.  having never worked on glocks before, i can tell you that they're impossibly simple to assemble.  keep in mind that i've also detail stripped my vp9, which is a pain in the ass.  you can really see where the HK engineers put real brain power into designing that gun, which is part of why it has such a nice factory trigger.
- keep in mind that there are a lot of vendors selling out-of-spec glock parts, or parts that really have no purpose other than looking cool.  if you go down that route, you can possibly end up with an expensive gun with very little improvement to performance.
- the aftermarket for the p320 is growing substantially.  if looking cool is important to you, then you will soon have a lot of options.
- it always surprised me that glock didn't make a competition model.  sig has their x-five, x-five legion, and (soon to be released) x-five alpha.  HK has made competition guns in the past with their USP line and they have a long slide kit available for the vp9.  glock has their 17L and their 34, but they both seem like a really low effort from the company.


in general, i recommend that you buy a full size pistol.  anything in the compact category will be more difficult for you to shoot.  you can always buy a compact pistol later when you are better at shooting pistols.  the additional weight of a full size will help with the recoil and the added grip size will help with controlling the gun.  i wear an XL size glove and my pinky falls off the bottom of a glock 19.  keep in mind that the first brand new pistol i bought was a vp9 and i'd probably do it again.

Just FYI, but you can always send your slide away for an optics cut.

JL did two of my VP9s (i sold one of them to a friend).  when i got my cuts (different years) it cost me $50 for the cut itself.  it was only $50 more if you wanted the slide cerakoted.  he regularly does sales; the most recent one was at the start of the COVID-19 lock down.  My optics sit lower on my slide compared to the guns that use an adapter plate from the factory (i.e. Glock MOS, VP9 Optics Ready, etc.).  here's his website:  https://jlmachiningworks.com/

of the ones you're considering, I have a p320 RX compact, a glock 17 gen 3 (non MOS), and a VP9.  i haven't tried the g17 with an optic yet, but my slide is cut to accept it.

my general thoughts:
- the ergos on the glocks kind of suck in general, but the gen 5 is definitely an improvement over the gen 3 and 4.  the vp9 has the best ergonomics by far.  the p320 has a near limitless potential for improved grip because of the modularity.  i currently run mine with a sig x-carry grip module, but there are at least a few aftermarket grip module manufacturers joining the market.  even wilson combat makes grip modules for the p320 now.
- the vp9 is slightly more snappy than the p320, but barely noticeable unless you're shooting them back to back.  the glock 17 isn't very snappy, but that could be bc i was using a G17L slide and barrel.
- sig and HK mags are expensive, but they occasionally go on sale.  you just need to wait for the deals.  I have a ton of 10-round HK mags if you're looking to buy some.  glock mags will always be cheaper than the sig and hk mags.
- no matter how much you upgrade the glock trigger, it will still feel worse than a stock vp9 trigger.  you probably will not notice it much until you get more accustomed to shooting handguns.  some people don't care and aren't trigger snobs whereas some people are.  some people are such good shooters that they will shoot fine with a stock glock trigger.  however, keep in mind that the gen 5 glock trigger definitely feels better than the gen 3 and 4.
- glocks are very customizable.  i started with a serialized/registered stripped glock lower (not P80) and bought all of the parts individually to assemble the whole gun.  having never worked on glocks before, i can tell you that they're impossibly simple to assemble.  keep in mind that i've also detail stripped my vp9, which is a pain in the ass.  you can really see where the HK engineers put real brain power into designing that gun, which is part of why it has such a nice factory trigger.
- keep in mind that there are a lot of vendors selling out-of-spec glock parts, or parts that really have no purpose other than looking cool.  if you go down that route, you can possibly end up with an expensive gun with very little improvement to performance.
- the aftermarket for the p320 is growing substantially.  if looking cool is important to you, then you will soon have a lot of options.
- it always surprised me that glock didn't make a competition model.  sig has their x-five, x-five legion, and (soon to be released) x-five alpha.  HK has made competition guns in the past with their USP line and they have a long slide kit available for the vp9.  glock has their 17L and their 34, but they both seem like a really low effort from the company.


in general, i recommend that you buy a full size pistol.  anything in the compact category will be more difficult for you to shoot.  you can always buy a compact pistol later when you are better at shooting pistols.  the additional weight of a full size will help with the recoil and the added grip size will help with controlling the gun.  i wear an XL size glove and my pinky falls off the bottom of a glock 19.  keep in mind that the first brand new pistol i bought was a vp9 and i'd probably do it again.

^^^VP9 whore.

About triggers, my wife got a M&P 9C and that trigger sucks balls. We did a class where everyone had to shoot everyone elses pistol and get hits on steel about 20 yards away.  When it came to using her gun, even very experienced shooters had trouble because they were used to their tuned triggers and not a shitty factory one like the 9C.  When it was my turn, I had no problem getting hits with the 9c,because I dry fire it all the time. So you will learn to shoot what ever gun you buy.

She replaced the trigger with an APEX one since then.  It's way better but cost $180ish.  Plus it had issues so I had to go back and forth with APEX to get it fixed.  That's also a consideration, if  you mess with the trigger, it may not go bang unless you really know what you're doing. Which I didn't. But this time it was the part, not me.  The VP9, you can leave the trigger as is.  Plus if you use the handgun for self defense, you may have to explain why the trigger was modified.

About triggers, my wife got a M&P 9C and that trigger sucks balls. We did a class where everyone had to shoot everyone elses pistol and get hits on steel about 20 yards away.  When it came to using her gun, even very experienced shooters had trouble because they were used to their tuned triggers and not a shitty factory one like the 9C.

I remember that day. I was thinking (to myself), that girl is pretty hot but all her shots are pulling really low. We had a friendly competition at the end of the day where the teams laid their handguns on the firing line and rotated until everyone shot every gun. This was a competition between teams so it was pick up the gun, insert mag and start firing. I think the first three (or all) of my shots went into the dirt IN FRONT of the steel. Yes that trigger sucked.

I remember that day. I was thinking (to myself), that girl is pretty hot but all her shots are pulling really low. We had a friendly competition at the end of the day where the teams laid their handguns on the firing line and rotated until everyone shot every gun. This was a competition between teams so it was pick up the gun, insert mag and start firing. I think the first three (or all) of my shots went into the dirt IN FRONT of the steel. Yes that trigger sucked.

I think I was there that day.  I remember CMO and Mrs. Oil/Purple, the relay and the M&P 9c.  I remember the steel was in different shapes, with one being slender and tall as opposed to the typical torso sized steel target. 

Good times 

I think I was there that day.  I remember CMO and Mrs. Oil/Purple, the relay and the M&P 9c.  I remember the steel was in different shapes, with one being slender and tall as opposed to the typical torso sized steel target. 

Good times 

So I met you b4 checking out the comp shooting that I watched.  Didn't know that.  The shocker was my friend who places 100% usually for comp shooting even struggled with the 9c.  We shall call it the ego leveler.

So I met you b4 checking out the comp shooting that I watched.  Didn't know that.  The shocker was my friend who places 100% usually for comp shooting even struggled with the 9c.  We shall call it the ego leveler.

Yeah.  I also met you at one of the revolver shoots before when you came out to the competition.  I have good situational awareness. . . 

Yeah.  I also met you at one of the revolver shoots before when you came out to the competition.  I have good situational awareness. . . 

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