I'm thinking there's a lot of AR-15 owners out there...

HB2744 establishes a new definition of:
      "Firearm receiver" means the part of a firearm that provides housing for the firearm's internal components, including a hammer, bolt, breechblock, action, or firing mechanism.

since the AR upper receiver houses the bolt... doesn't mention anything about being attached to, or purchased with, or registered with, a duly registered lower.

if interpreted as such, then AR-15 upper receivers, stripped or assembled, would have to be purchased through FFL, serialized, and registered, which implies the whole "permit to acquire" rigamarole.

Furthermore, everybody with an unregistered AR upper is instantly criminalized.

no shit.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=37365.new#new

They can register my reproductive organs as an oral hygiene device

They can register my reproductive organs as an oral hygiene device

heads

Ya fuck that they are not marking my upper i will not comply . All my ARs were lost in a boating accident 😂😂😂😂😂😂

They can register my reproductive organs as an oral hygiene device

Well they suck ass as it is and since they are all dick heads they should feel rite at home....... 

Ya fuck that they are not marking my upper i will not comply . All my ARs were lost in a boating accident 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Too bad we can’t lose them all in a boating accident but, as we all know, it will never happen cuz shit floats....

Are you sure about that bill number? 

H.B. NO. 2744 - A BILL FOR AN ACT

The purpose of this Act is to prevent gun violence and save lives by establishing the Hawaii gun violence prevention center
within the University of Hawaii with a mission to bring law enforcement and medical stakeholders together to analyze related
data and develop evidence‑based strategies to prevent gun violence in Hawaii.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2020/bills/HB2744_.HTM

Based on previous definitions, and recent  court cases, the fact is, the AR-15 being split in an upper and lower receiver, means neither half conforms to the technical definition of firearm receiver.

By changing  that definition, it would cover the "conflict" caused by the receiver's design.

This has nothing to do with safety or solving crimes, which has always been the rationale given for state gun registrations.  It has everything to do with creating yet another speed bump for law-abiding gun buyers.

So, if I have a legally registered stripped AR lower, AFAIK that is a registered firearm.  If I buy an upper receiver to build it out, I would have to register that firearm TWICE?

This is not a well thought-out bill (as usual).  The only thing I think this offers is a way for the "ghost gun" 80% builders to have another part of the gun serialized and controlled. 

If someone can mill a lower, I'm very confident the upper can be done just as, if not more, easily.

How you gonna register your upper ?

All the serial numbers would be:
Square
Keyhole
A

Forge markings.

Serialize all the uppers in the State?
Are they crazy?
Each AR platform has 2 serial numbers for mix and match ?

If this shit is for real someone needs to open an engraving shop.
My serial numbers are going to be F-€{ You 1,2,3,4.........

This shit can’t fly.

Who introduced this shit we need to get them out rite now ridiculous. Do these people have any brains at all

If we're allowed to pick our serial numbers, as we are with 80% lowers, we should all pick the same one:

AR15

That'll help them "solve crimes".   

Are you sure about that bill number? 

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2020/bills/HB2744_SD2_PROPOSED_.HTM

am I looking at the wrong version?

Part I of HB2744 SD2 creates a stacked-deck study group.

Part II contains:
   "Firearm receiver" means the part of a firearm that provides housing for the firearm's internal components, including a hammer, bolt, breechblock, action, or firing mechanism.  "Firearm receiver" includes any object or part that is not a firearm frame or receiver in finished form but that is designed or intended to be used for that purpose and may readily be made into a firearm frame or receiver through milling or other means."

does not make any reference to relationship to a registered lower, nor does it provide any exclusions if associated with registered lower, etc.

2nd sentence just means that a featureless block of aluminum can be considered a 0% receiver, but regardless, a receiver since it can be milled, and therefore is a Firearm receiver

I'm not making this shit up, folks.  seriously.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2020/bills/HB2744_SD2_PROPOSED_.HTM

am I looking at the wrong version?

Part I of HB2744 SD2 creates a stacked-deck study group.

Part II contains:
   "Firearm receiver" means the part of a firearm that provides housing for the firearm's internal components, including a hammer, bolt, breechblock, action, or firing mechanism.  "Firearm receiver" includes any object or part that is not a firearm frame or receiver in finished form but that is designed or intended to be used for that purpose and may readily be made into a firearm frame or receiver through milling or other means."

does not make any reference to relationship to a registered lower, nor does it provide any exclusions if associated with registered lower, etc.

2nd sentence just means that a featureless block of aluminum can be considered a 0% receiver, but regardless, a receiver since it can be milled, and therefore is a Firearm receiver

I'm not making this shit up, folks.  seriously.

Apparently the difference is HB2744 HD1, SD1, and SD2.  SD2 was sent to the Governor, which does have the firearm receiver BS in it.

I was looking at the original, unamended HB2744.  I'm good now.   

So, if I have a legally registered stripped AR lower, AFAIK that is a registered firearm.  If I buy an upper receiver to build it out, I would have to register that firearm TWICE?

Could could be way more than twice :
.22LR
5.56/.223
.300 Blackout
6.5 Spc/Grendel
7.62 x39
.458 SOCOM
.50 Bmg bolt
Etc............

If someone can mill a lower, I'm very confident the upper can be done just as, if not more, easily.

Way harder to mill an upper due to pressures and tolerances. That’s why there’s only so many forge shops that most manufacturers use.
Need metal reinforcement if trying to polymer one.
I’m no expert just an opinion.
But that statement sure ain’t helping us if people believe it.

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I'm not making this shit up, folks.  seriously.

This shit is serious.

Could could be way more than twice :
.22LR
5.56/.223
.300 Blackout
6.5 Spc/Grendel
7.62 x39
.458 SOCOM
.50 Bmg bolt
Etc............

Way harder to mill an upper due to pressures and tolerances. That’s why there’s only so many forge shops that most manufacturers use.
Need metal reinforcement if trying to polymer one.
I’m no expert just an opinion.
But that statement sure ain’t helping us if people believe it.

Gas pressure?  If the blank is of quality metal, pressure won't be an issue.

Tolerances?  As opposed to the tolerances when milling a lower receiver with needs tight tolerances for pins and allowance for heat expansion of the metal?  No difference.

With CNC machines already on the market to produce uppers, the technical capabilities of the operator are becoming less critical.

Also, since the lower was the only part needing to go through an FFL, more time and attention has been placed on making jigs and processes for lowers.

If/when the uppers are controlled, there will be more time and attention given to the "80% upper" market, too.

The only thing people can believe in your post is: "I’m no expert just an opinion. "

Don’t need a CNC to make a lower.
Lowers don’t need to be made of metal.
We need to serialize lowers anyway by current law.

The more you drag this out the worse it gets.

The only thing people can believe in your post is: "I’m no expert just an opinion. "

Again with the insults. Grow up.

Can’t you see that You’re gonna be the reason for serializing uppers with your nonsense.

 

P.S. this shit can’t fly.

Don’t need a CNC to make a lower.
Lowers don’t need to be made of metal.
We need to serialize lowers anyway by current law.

The more you drag this out the worse it gets.

Again with the insults. Grow up.

Can’t you see that You’re gonna be the reason for serializing uppers with your nonsense.

 

P.S. this shit can’t fly.

Another Snowflake hijacking the thread, then posting the Stop Jack emoticon.

So typical.

You talk like you know all the answers -- for someone who's "not an expert."   

You talk like you know all the answers -- for someone who's "not an expert."   

And as usual you don’t give any.

 

 

And as usual you don’t give any.

 

 

You'll never understand the stupidity, hypocrisy and inconsistency of hijacking a thread multiple times while posting the Stop Jack -- multiple times.   

So sad.   

Please post the post where I hijacked the thread.

You posted a bunch of nonsense and I hijacked the thread? 

You'll never understand the stupidity, hypocrisy and inconsistency of hijacking a thread multiple times while posting the Stop Jack -- multiple times.   

So sad.   

Apparently you’ll never understand the stupidity, hypocrisy and inconsistency of never answering a direct question you couldn’t Google.
 

 THIS SHIT IS SERIOUS !
We could have to engrave and register our uppers !
Shit did it pass ? It’s after midnight 7/14

P.S. Check out Man of Many Names ( Snowflapp’s) reply that comes next.
Same old crap.
Attack, divert, not answer anything and move the shell.
Put this here as I don’t want to derail this thread.
Email the Governor!
Thanks Rpol for all the info.