The funny thing about Federal property is that it is perfectly fine and legal for the e-branch to send in Federal agents to prevent angry mobs from destroying it. If Trump let it burn they would blame him for dereliction of duty because TDS sufferers are not constrained by logic or integrity. Our deep state showed its hand with the Russiagate hoax and Epstein. If those guys hate Trump, I say we need more Trump.

Agreed. What the media didn't do a good job of in the beginning was cover why these people were being grabbed. I think the federal agencies were a bit slow to respond publicly but still, there was not an attempt to explain how federal agents could be making arrests in certain situations.
I could find some critiques in the tactics of the officers who made the grabs though. Had they been a little smarter it wouldn't have looked so bad.

The funny thing about Federal property is that it is perfectly fine and legal for the e-branch to send in Federal agents to prevent angry mobs from destroying it. If Trump let it burn they would blame him for dereliction of duty because TDS sufferers are not constrained by logic or integrity. Our deep state showed its hand with the Russiagate hoax and Epstein. If those guys hate Trump, I say we need more Trump.

The funny thing is that they were roaming blocks away from federal property and grabbing non-violent protesters off the street and throwing them into rental vans. And did you not see the ret. Navy Lt, get beat?  You don’t get to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution to support. 

Agreed, abstaining is foolish. At the very least vote libertarian, or whatever other party you could stand for. Not voting at all is just dumb.

Abstaining is stupid and voting Libertarian is equally stupid because a third party candidate has 0% chance of winning. Voting, for all intents and purposes, is a binary choice. Trump is not perfect, but he is much better than Biden.

Gosh... I just caught that then looked down and saw this reply.

Doesn't mean he will win a second time. I realize the people talking in the videos on this youtube channel are anecdotes and not statistical data but I think they might represent a fair number of former Trump voters.
I tend to agree with the sentiment that Trump only won because Clinton did so bad. She alienated democrats, she wasn't very likable, has issues of corruption, etc.

You really can't follow a conversation, can you?  I was responding to your TOPIC that REPUBLICANS are against Trump.  I never said my analysis meant he would be reelected.

Damn.  It's like trying to push 10 feet of rope down the sidewalk.

The 2016 results are not simply about one factor or even several factors.  Trump was a GENIUS in the way he campaigned.  He beat out a YUUUUGE Republican field to get the nomination.  That can't be viewed as "We didn't want the other Republican Candidates just as bad as we didn't want Hildabeast". 

It would be nice if someone could actually do a comprehensive review on the REAL reasons Trump won so it could be documented. 

Instead, we get "Hillary was a bad candidate," "Muh Russian Interference" and "Deplorables."

Depending on how much wine she's had to drink, Hillary will give a different excuse each time she's asked.  The latest answer was that she didn't come across to voters as the fun person she actually is in private.   

So because I have a different opinion that makes me a troll?  There are lots of conservatives who think Trump is a disaster. He’s a big city scammer who has screwed people over his entire life. It’s amazing he cowed people as long as he did, but he’s done now.  Are you ok with him sending federal agents to grab people off the streets without cause and without regard for the Constitution?  I don’t support the rioters but I won’t support him either. Not to mention his handling of the pandemic has been pathetic.  He stuck his head in the sand in January and still hasn’t taken it out. This nation is better than that.

It's not that you have and posted an opposing opinion.  It's the way you are making predictions and judgments without a single fact to support any of them.

Conclusions without evidence, basically.

The funny thing is that they were roaming blocks away from federal property and grabbing non-violent protesters off the street and throwing them into rental vans. And did you not see the ret. Navy Lt, get beat?  You don’t get to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution to support.

It’s a violent Marxist riot and you are making it sound like they raided a kids birthday party.

Abstaining is stupid and voting Libertarian is equally stupid because a third party candidate has 0% chance of winning. Voting, for all intents and purposes, is a binary choice. Trump is not perfect, but he is much better than Biden.

You are saying what I normally state as:  if you know there's no way for your candidate to win, then casting your vote for them is futile.  The only candidates in 2016 with any chance at all were Clinton and Trump.  Voting for anybody else has the same effect as voting against your choice among the top 2.  That's why candidates like Perot and Kanye are called spoilers.  They syphon off votes from candidates that might have won otherwise, yet the spoilers themselves can't come close to winning.

Abstaining is stupid and voting Libertarian is equally stupid because a third party candidate has 0% chance of winning. Voting, for all intents and purposes, is a binary choice. Trump is not perfect, but he is much better than Biden.

Libertarians have a 0% chance of winning because sheep keep believing that.

You are saying what I normally state as:  if you know there's no way for your candidate to win, then casting your vote for them is futile.  The only candidates in 2016 with any chance at all were Clinton and Trump.  Voting for anybody else has the same effect as voting against your choice among the top 2.  That's why candidates like Perot and Kanye are called spoilers.  They syphon off votes from candidates that might have won otherwise, yet the spoilers themselves can't come close to winning.

Exactly. And if Kanye were to run, it would be beneficial for Trump's re-election since Kanye would siphon the black vote away from Biden

You really can't follow a conversation, can you?  I was responding to your TOPIC that REPUBLICANS are against Trump.  I never said my analysis meant he would be reelected.

I am talking here and now genius, not 2016. Did you even look at the youtube channel? Full of republicans saying why they aren't supporting him anymore. Try to follow along.

The funny thing is that they were roaming blocks away from federal property and grabbing non-violent protesters off the street and throwing them into rental vans. And did you not see the ret. Navy Lt, get beat?  You don’t get to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution to support.

Irrelevant. If someone committed a federal crime by damaging federal property are the federal police supposed to just wait until the suspect comes back on property? It's not illegal for federal agents to identify a suspect and then make the arrest on a city or state roadway.

Libertarians have a 0% chance of winning because sheep keep believing that.

Libertarians have 0% chance of winning because It's a philosophy that endorses drug decriminalization, open borders, and opposes most military interventions.

They really have no plan for the future.  Their ideology is one of allowing the individual to do anything they want unless they hurt or interfere with the rights of others.

The problem is obvious.  Who decides when others' rights are being violated by an individual?  Who decides what those rights are?  What's the penalty for doing that?

You can't advocate for complete individual freedom in a very large society.  At some point, every system collapses: education, infrastructure, economic, ...

Most of what I've read and seen about Libertarianism tells me it's just another word for anarchy.  The only difference is anarchy wants to abolish government, while Libertarians want a government that does not make and enforce laws which compel standards of individual behaviors, but still provides the limited functions they think gov't should provide.

Exactly. And if Kanye were to run, it would be beneficial for Trump's re-election since Kanye would siphon the black vote away from Biden

Kanye (you know he's a Trump supporter) is running to educate the black community about the Democrat party so yes he will siphon off the black vote from Biden.  Brilliant move by Kanye, he knows that he will never win so he will bow out and re-support Trump bringing along black voters over to Trump

The funny thing is that they were roaming blocks away from federal property and grabbing non-violent protesters off the street and throwing them into rental vans. And did you not see the ret. Navy Lt, get beat?  You don’t get to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution to support.

The Feds are grabbing Antifa leaders/agitators not non-violent protestors.  The Feds know who the Antifa thugs are and will grab them when they are alone rather when they are in a group.  In a group the protesters/thugs would swarm the feds so that they will not be able to grab their target.  Remember alone you are weak together you are strong.

Nothing peaceful about these charges...
https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/18-arrested-facing-federal-charges-after-weeknight-protests-federal-courthouse-portland

 in regards the the navy guy I would really like to see a longer video, You shouldn't form an opinion of a situation based only on info provided by shreaching spoiled brats who don't have a very good track record of telling the whole truth.


girl needs help to ID the patches of the "Storm Troopers, Gestapo, sequet police"
https://mobile.twitter.com/kathy_markovich/status/1286990002728120320/photo/1

I will say this, I am totally for letting the people in these cities getting exactly what they voted for, Trump should back off policing these areas. He is giving the media exactly what they want, the politicians are trying to play both sides of the coin a lot of them secretly requested help from federal LEO and immediately go on the news to talk trash once they (the Feds) get to work. Deny ALL Emergency federal funds to fix the damage caused by these riots.

This kid seems okay with his friends using lasers to permanently blind federal agents, which makes me kind of enjoy the sound of that less lethal round smacking his face.

https://twitter.com/rsingel/status/1287129450857955328

in regards the the navy guy I would really like to see a longer video, pretty lame to form an opinion of a situation based only on info provided by shreaching spoiled brats who don't have a very good track record of telling the whole truth.

This is a bit longer.  You can see the 53 yr old Navy Vet walking up to the police line in his gray hoodie before the camera pans wildly to the left, then back onto the Vet.

https://twitter.com/PDXzane/status/1284733976582615040

Here's what the Hill said in a write-up about the incident:

Christopher David, a onetime member of the Navy’s Civil Engineer Corps, told The Washington Post that after he saw
the officers rush a line of protesters and knock several to the ground, he addressed them directly, shouting “Why are
you not honoring your oath to the Constitution?”

In response, several officers shoved him, but he was able to keep his balance. Another agent beat David with his baton
while one sprayed him in the face with a chemical irritant, after which he finally walked away, making his way to a bench
where a street medic provided aid, according to the Post. He later learned his right hand was broken.

I already knew that refusing to comply with orders to step back while trying to engage them with questions about failing to uphold the Constitution won't go well for you.  Hopefully, he's learned that lesson now as well.  The Cops are not there to debate the motivations for the people in the street that night.  They have a specific job to perform.  If you think otherwise, then you have the right to TRY.  When you lose, don't blame the Cops.  They were there for crowd control and to protect lives and property.  Interfering with that is how you get an ass kicking.  Just ask Chris Rock.

This is a bit longer.  You can see the 53 yr old Navy Vet walking up to the police line in his gray hoodie before the camera pans wildly to the left, then back onto the Vet.

https://twitter.com/PDXzane/status/1284733976582615040

Here's what the Hill said in a write-up about the incident:

I already knew that refusing to comply with orders to step back while trying to engage them with questions about failing to uphold the Constitution won't go well for you.  Hopefully, he's learned that lesson now as well.  The Cops are not there to debate the motivations for the people in the street that night.  They have a specific job to perform.  If you think otherwise, then you have the right to TRY.  When you lose, don't blame the Cops.  They were there for crowd control and to protect lives and property.  Interfering with that is how you get an ass kicking.  Just ask Chris Rock.

Although I've seen guys beat like that in the video.
Most cops don't do that.  It is to strenuous for them.
They just shoot regardless of race.

The other advice about obeying the Law, is
probably the lesson.
If I never violate a law
there is no reason to EVER interact
with a government agent eg a cop.

I pay taxes, and do the normal life thing
Vote, military service, marriage,
educate, and raise my kids et al.
But if I ever have to talk to a cop it will be too soon!

Although I've seen guys beat like that in the video.
Most cops don't do that.  It is to strenuous for them.
They just shoot regardless of race.

The other advice about obeying the Law, is
probably the lesson.
If I never violate a law
there is no reason to EVER interact
with a government agent eg a cop.

I pay taxes, and do the normal life thing
Vote, military service, marriage,
educate, and raise my kids et al.
But if I ever have to talk to a cop it will be too soon!

The last time I can remember talking to a Cop was to submit my CCW permit application in Pahrump, NV.   

Seems there are some in society who can't do anything without having to talk to the Cops.

Cause and effect.

Libertarians have 0% chance of winning because It's a philosophy that endorses drug decriminalization, open borders, and opposes most military interventions.

They really have no plan for the future.  Their ideology is one of allowing the individual to do anything they want unless they hurt or interfere with the rights of others.

The problem is obvious.  Who decides when others' rights are being violated by an individual?  Who decides what those rights are?  What's the penalty for doing that?

You can't advocate for complete individual freedom in a very large society.  At some point, every system collapses: education, infrastructure, economic, ...

Most of what I've read and seen about Libertarianism tells me it's just another word for anarchy.  The only difference is anarchy wants to abolish government, while Libertarians want a government that does not make and enforce laws which compel standards of individual behaviors, but still provides the limited functions they think gov't should provide.

Libertarianism and anarchy are not the same thing. Not all libertarian candidates are even that far right, some fit right in with other republicans. I don't even agree with libertarians on everything nor do I identify as one so I am not just pushing my views here.

Exactly. And if Kanye were to run, it would be beneficial for Trump's re-election since Kanye would siphon the black vote away from Biden

Unless he siphons votes away from Trump.