Sure you want to be a cop? (Read 39403 times)

macsak

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2020, 11:56:04 AM »
Never mind already.

thank you for playing...

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2020, 08:58:52 AM »
They did find a knife on the driver's side floorboard.
Well, well, well, I guess Blake was not threatening anyone, with his knife.

"Authorities said Sheskey was among officers who responded to a domestic dispute, though they have not said whether Blake was part of the dispute. Sheskey shot Blake while holding onto his shirt after officers unsuccessfully used a Taser on him, the Wisconsin Justice Department said. State agents later recovered a knife from the floor on the driver’s side of the vehicle, the department said. State authorities did not say Blake threatened anyone with a knife."
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/08/28/wisconsin-prosecutors-charged-kyle-rittenhouse-17-with-homicide-for-fatally-shooting-protesters/

Now then, we have suspect that was not threatening the cops, yet Officer Sheskey felt it necessary, to follow Blake closely, pull his shirt, and then unload 7rds, of his service pistol, into Blake's back, at point blank range.

Following someone closely and then shooting that person, at point blank range, seems awfully personal, to me.

aieahound

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2020, 09:09:04 AM »
In my opinion, this one does not look good for Mr. Sheskey.

ren

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2020, 09:32:51 AM »
Well, well, well, I guess Blake was not threatening anyone, with his knife.

"Authorities said Sheskey was among officers who responded to a domestic dispute, though they have not said whether Blake was part of the dispute. Sheskey shot Blake while holding onto his shirt after officers unsuccessfully used a Taser on him, the Wisconsin Justice Department said. State agents later recovered a knife from the floor on the driver’s side of the vehicle, the department said. State authorities did not say Blake threatened anyone with a knife."
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/08/28/wisconsin-prosecutors-charged-kyle-rittenhouse-17-with-homicide-for-fatally-shooting-protesters/

Now then, we have suspect that was not threatening the cops, yet Officer Sheskey felt it necessary, to follow Blake closely, pull his shirt, and then unload 7rds, of his service pistol, into Blake's back, at point blank range.

Following someone closely and then shooting that person, at point blank range, seems awfully personal, to me.

The authorities did not state anything about Blake's knife threats. They did NOT say he did OR did not. An exclusion of a statement on that matter doesn't indicate one conclusion or another.
Perhaps he wanted the police officers to autograph his knife, therefore he went to the driver's side.
We are talking about Blake and not Rittenhouse right?  :wacko:
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Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2020, 09:35:56 AM »
Perhaps he wanted the police officers to autograph his knife, therefore he went to the driver's side.
We are talking about Blake and not Rittenhouse right?  :wacko:

How do you know, if the cops placed it on the drivers side, after the shooting?

No bodycams remember?

hvybarrels

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2020, 09:54:20 AM »
How do you know, if the cops placed it on the drivers side, after the shooting?

No bodycams remember?

How do we know that you are a real Hawaiian? Hawaiians usually have more to say about lots of other topics rather than just hating on America
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ren

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2020, 10:03:41 AM »
How do you know, if the cops placed it on the drivers side, after the shooting?

No bodycams remember?

You omitted the part of my reply as to the absence of information. An absence of information doesn't mean a default that Blake did not threaten anyone.
No one knows what he intended to do with a knife but he does have a criminal history
Online court records indicate Kenosha County prosecutors charged Blake on July 6 with sexual assault, trespassing and disorderly conduct in connection with domestic abuse. An arrest warrant was issued the following day.
One can make a reasonable prediction what he may do with a knife in that situation
« Last Edit: August 28, 2020, 11:25:28 AM by ren »
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Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #47 on: August 28, 2020, 11:07:43 AM »
How do we know that you are a real Hawaiian? Hawaiians usually have more to say about lots of other topics rather than just hating on America

What do you know about Hawaiians or what they truly think or feel?

macsak

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2020, 01:10:44 PM »
What do you know about Hawaiians or what they truly think or feel?

yet you can claim "most" cops are bad
what do you know about cops or what they truly think or feel?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #49 on: August 28, 2020, 01:13:32 PM »
How do you know, if the cops placed it on the drivers side, after the shooting?

No bodycams remember?

That would require a conspiracy involving the Cops on scene.

Just another conspiracy theory based on absolutely no evidence.

 :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Brystont1

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #50 on: August 28, 2020, 01:25:29 PM »
In my opinion, this one does not look good for Mr. Sheskey.

Why does this not look good for the cop?

What do people believe the cop should have done in this situation? He had a warrant out for his arrest for sexual assault, and he had kids in his car. Was the cops supposed to just let him get in the car and drive off? Put his gun away so that he could grapple with the dude? I have no sympathy for fucking idiots like Blake. If I have cops pointing their guns at me ordering me to get down I would expect to get shot if I didn’t comply and started reaching for something.

Why are these criminals not held to the same standard as everyone else?

drck1000

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #51 on: August 28, 2020, 02:45:00 PM »
I get your point.

However, in this particular case, a suspect was shot from behind; video evidence makes that a fact.  The question, of whether it was justified, is what is of issue.

If the cops are going to say that they needed to shoot Blake because he was leaving the scene, is that procedural thing they normally do?  Shoot first and ask questions later?

If the cop is going to claim self-defense, video evidence does not confirm, an immediate threat ,of danger, to the officer, especially when it was the shooting officer, who willfully put himself in danger, by moving, into point blank range.  If anything, his fellow officers, with their guns drawn, did not take the same actions or displayed similar intent, as did the shooting cop.
How can a video confirm (or disprove) a person's perception of immediate threat or perception of danger?  Even if YOU think there wasn't.  You accuse of all of us being Judge Dredd.  You're doing the same thing!  You're judging and holding grudges on people based on. . . well, we've already gone there too often.  No sense continuing to whack the dead horse in the balls. . . won't feel it. . .

drck1000

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #52 on: August 28, 2020, 02:45:32 PM »
thank you for playing...
You giving up?  Wuss. . .  ;D

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #53 on: August 28, 2020, 03:37:00 PM »
You accuse of all of us being Judge Dredd.  You're doing the same thing!  You're judging and holding grudges on people based on. . . well, we've already gone there too often.

I said many, not everybody.

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #54 on: August 28, 2020, 03:42:47 PM »
How can a video confirm (or disprove) a person's perception of immediate threat or perception of danger?
If Officer Sheskey, believed that he was in imminent danger, why did he follow Blake so close and pull on his shirt?  Is that procedurally correct? 

If I need to arrest a guy and he is pointing at gun at me, do I just walk right up to him, employ a jiujitsu move, and handcuff him?

drck1000

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #55 on: August 28, 2020, 03:47:50 PM »
If Officer Sheskey, believed that he was in imminent danger, why did he follow Blake so close and pull on his shirt?  Is that procedurally correct? 

If I need to arrest a guy and he is pointing at gun at me, do I just walk right up to him, employ a jiujitsu move, and handcuff him?
Dunno. Have you had training?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #56 on: August 28, 2020, 03:48:37 PM »
If Officer Sheskey, believed that he was in imminent danger, why did he follow Blake so close and pull on his shirt?  Is that procedurally correct? 

If I need to arrest a guy and he is pointing at gun at me, do I just walk right up to him, employ a jiujitsu move, and handcuff him?

Based on that logic, why did the Hawaiians welcome White visitors from America?  Did they not know from the beginning what would end up happening?

The officer wasn't in imminent danger in the beginning, or else he would have fired sooner.  So, no reason to NOT follow and attempt to subdue.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #57 on: August 28, 2020, 04:09:19 PM »
Dunno. Have you had training?

No training for that situation.

drck1000

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #58 on: August 28, 2020, 04:16:04 PM »
No training for that situation.
Ok.  So what makes you SO sure that the officer handled it incorrectly? 

Well, how about this one.  What other considerations are you factoring into how YOU would handle the situation?  Are you positive you have all of the information that the officer had?  Well, other than WaPo facts. . .

You call many on here judgemental, quick to judge and execute, etc.  What makes you any different or better? 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2020, 04:30:27 PM »
Ok.  So what makes you SO sure that the officer handled it incorrectly? 

Well, how about this one.  What other considerations are you factoring into how YOU would handle the situation?  Are you positive you have all of the information that the officer had?  Well, other than WaPo facts. . .

You call many on here judgemental, quick to judge and execute, etc.  What makes you any different or better?

His opinions always start from a position of hate and bias.  Then he scours the Internet to confirm that bias.

No big mystery.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw