Sure you want to be a cop? (Read 39376 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #100 on: August 29, 2020, 09:54:55 PM »
“Officer did a great job in that video, do you see what happens when an officer doesn’t “shoot first and ask questions later”? What if the gun wasn’t loaded? Did the suspect intend to shoot the officer just because he pointed it at him?”                   
     
   —You know who, probably

Always easy to ask "what if" when it's a stranger's ass on the line.



Personally, I think anyone who's stupid enough to point a lethal weapon at a Cop should have his death certificate read: 

CAUSE OF DEATH:  SUICIDE
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #101 on: August 30, 2020, 06:24:15 AM »
 :rofl: :rofl:that Chris rock video is one of my all-time favorites
That K&P video is perfect :thumbsup:
What, Me Worry?

Brystont1

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #102 on: August 30, 2020, 06:39:41 AM »
Always easy to ask "what if" when it's a stranger's ass on the line.



Personally, I think anyone who's stupid enough to point a lethal weapon at a Cop should have his death certificate read: 

CAUSE OF DEATH:  SUICIDE

Exactly. That’s what’s so nuts about the Blake shooting. You can tell the last thing the officer wanted to do was to shoot this dude. That’s why he went in for the t shirt pull, it was like a last ditch effort to try to stop this guy from making a fatal mistake. What could Blake possibly be going into the car for? I would really like to hear a rational thought process for what Blake was doing. From an officers perspective, if I have my gun on a suspect who’s not complying and just starts walking towards his vehicle I’m going to suspect this dude is off his rockers and that he intends to do harm.

QUIETShooter

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #103 on: August 30, 2020, 07:23:47 AM »
To answer the topic's question:  No, I would not want to be a cop.  I can sit in the comfort of my chair in front of the keyboard and analyze everything and anything in the safety of my home.  Hind sight is 20/20.

But cops do not have that luxury.  Only training.  And hopefully empathy.  Courage. Compassion.  They have to make gut wrenching decisions everyday.  They have to deal with a public that demands their presence immediately when unpleasantries occur and withstand public scrutiny when things don't pan out the way the public wanted.

In the Blake situation, it seems no matter how the cops diffused the situation, they were bound to be scrutinized.  People seem to say "they should have done this, they could have done that...."

And sure, they should've or could've.  But how many of us ever done something then in retrospect wished we have done it better or another way?  The consequences of our actions hardly have the fatal or long lasting results that cops have to deal with every day.

All I know is this.  The best thing for anyone to do when in a confrontation with law enforcement is to comply when the order of STAND DOWN is given.  It doesn't guarantee things will not go awry.  But it is the BEST thing to do.  Stay vigilant.  Be observant.  If you are wronged you should have your day in the court of law.

So far the majority of the situations in the recent past where people are all up in arms about injustice, police brutality, unnecessary killings and maiming's, the victims REFUSED TO LISTEN.

Sorry to say this but the majority of them were not the "Angels" their family make them out to be.


Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #104 on: August 30, 2020, 12:38:58 PM »
Exactly. That’s what’s so nuts about the Blake shooting. You can tell the last thing the officer wanted to do was to shoot this dude. That’s why he went in for the t shirt pull, it was like a last ditch effort to try to stop this guy from making a fatal mistake. What could Blake possibly be going into the car for? I would really like to hear a rational thought process for what Blake was doing. From an officers perspective, if I have my gun on a suspect who’s not complying and just starts walking towards his vehicle I’m going to suspect this dude is off his rockers and that he intends to do harm.

Once he's allowed to enter the vehicle. the vehicle itself can become a lethal weapon.

I can hear "you know who" now ....
"But he was just trying to get away.  The Cops should have let him.  If three Cops died, it was their fault for not getting out of the way."

 :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #105 on: August 30, 2020, 06:04:45 PM »
If three Cops died, it was their fault for not getting out of the way."
Cops on the BI seem to like to jump in front of cars to provide an excuse to spray and pray.  They never hit anything, at least.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #106 on: August 30, 2020, 07:29:02 PM »
Cops on the BI seem to like to jump in front of cars to provide an excuse to spray and pray.  They never hit anything, at least.

Judgement call.  If the Cop thinks blocking their path will make them stop, why not?

On the other hand, if the fleeing suspect looks determined to get away at all cost, blocking him with your body while you empty a mag at the windshield is a risky decision, to say the least.

Even if you hit the driver, there's no guarantee the vehicle will come to a stop.  A wounded/dying driver probably won't be pressing the brake.

Would be funny to see a Cop stand his ground in front of a car with collision avoidance .....  :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #107 on: August 31, 2020, 08:28:41 PM »
Or he kept missing center mass because he is the kind of cop who does not understand the value of training and as a result regularly puts himself, his partners, and the community at risk.

Poor training
Intense stress
Warning shots
Shots to limbs instead of torso

All possible reasons.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #108 on: August 31, 2020, 08:30:38 PM »
How is a suspect moving away, from the cops, to get back, into his car, a threat to the cops?

Maybe cops thought he might be a threat to the kids in the van?

hvybarrels

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #109 on: August 31, 2020, 10:56:04 PM »
Poor training
Intense stress
Warning shots
Shots to limbs instead of torso

All possible reasons.

After that I speculated it was also possible he was hesitating because of political reasons, and ironically ended up starting the riot he was trying to prevent.
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

hvybarrels

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #110 on: August 31, 2020, 10:57:42 PM »
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A federal intelligence alert obtained by the ABC7 I-Team has gone out to Chicago-area law enforcement with an ominous warning: nearly three dozen cold-blooded street gangs "have formed a pact to 'shoot on-site any cop that has a weapon drawn on any subject in public'."

https://abc7chicago.com/fbi-chicago-warns-that-gang-cabal-may-be-targeting-police-officers-/6397730/
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #111 on: September 01, 2020, 09:01:01 AM »
"Shooting the guy, shooting the guy in the back many times, I mean, couldn't you have done something different?" Trump said. "Couldn't you have wrestled him?"  (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-compared-police-who-shoot-people-to-golf-players-who-mess-up-their-shots-the-night-before-visiting-the-aftermath-of-the-jacob-blake-shooting-in-kenosha/ar-BB18A3QZ?li=BBnb7Kz)


As they say, great minds think alike. ;)


I am in total agreement with Trump, in concluding that Office Sheskey choked, in his decision, to shoot Blake, in his back.  Our US President possesses great critical wisdom, in his raising this question, to the public and police.  Trump in 2020 baby!!!   :shaka:


I look forward to reading the similar group-think criticism, for Trump raising the same question I did earlier.   :rofl: 

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #112 on: September 01, 2020, 09:28:32 AM »
Why isn’t it that the issue? Because you say so? Psssh.

If Blake complied, would he have gotten “executed point blank with 7 rounds?   Just like I’d you don’t want to get shot, you might not want to try breaking into my house. Consequences for bad actions. If not, enabling bad behavior.

Well, not only me, but Trump raises the same issue and questions, as I do.  (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-compared-police-who-shoot-people-to-golf-players-who-mess-up-their-shots-the-night-before-visiting-the-aftermath-of-the-jacob-blake-shooting-in-kenosha/ar-BB18A3QZ?li=BBnb7Kz)


I guess people like Trump and myself must be emotionally driven and liberally biased, for asking the questions and arriving, to the conclusions, that we do.   ???

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #113 on: September 01, 2020, 10:06:21 AM »
Cops:  Get on the ground now!

Suspect:  What you gonna do?  Shoot me?

Cops (to dispatch):  We need an ambulance ....

Trump:  "Shooting the guy, shooting the guy in the back many times, I mean, couldn't you have done something different?  Couldn't you have wrestled him?"

Flapp_Jackson:  Be quiet racist Hawaiian. No one wants to read more of your lack of experience nonsense and wild imaginations....  WAIT, I am so sorry Mr. President, I thought I was talking, to someone else.

Kuleana:  You still think you're better than me.   :rofl:

drck1000

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #114 on: September 01, 2020, 10:23:22 AM »
Check your dosages

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #115 on: September 01, 2020, 11:11:11 AM »
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

― Mark Twain

I guess Trump and I are both idiots for arriving, to similar conclusions, regarding the Blake shooting.   :D

Per Trump, police officers, who shoot civilians are chokers and that Officer Sheskey made a bad decision, in shooting Blake, in his back 7 times.   :wtf:

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #116 on: September 01, 2020, 11:16:00 AM »
I want some of whatever you been smoking :rofl:
Trump and I don't smoke anything, but use the same thing; our brains for objective and common sense critical reasoning, in analyzing the Blake shooting.   :thumbsup:

ren

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #117 on: September 01, 2020, 11:35:51 AM »
Trump and I don't smoke anything, but use the same thing; our brains for objective and common sense critical reasoning, in analyzing the Blake shooting.   :thumbsup:

Likening yourself to a celebrity is called delusions of grandeur.
Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #118 on: September 01, 2020, 11:47:12 AM »
Likening yourself to a celebrity is called delusions of grandeur.
It is very nice to know that I am not the only one, who questions the justification, of any police related shootings, unlike the fanatic blue lives matter, shoot-first and find-excuses-later mob, on this forum, that always chastises and make personal attacks, to anyone that does.  Not everyone is a part, of that mob, BTW.

Trump in 2020 baby!!!   :shaka:

ren

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #119 on: September 01, 2020, 11:54:41 AM »
It is very nice to know that I am not the only one, who questions the justification, of any police related shootings, unlike the fanatic blue lives matter, shoot-first and find-excuses-later mob, on this forum, that always chastises and make personal attacks, to anyone that does.  Not everyone is a part, of that mob, BTW.

Trump in 2020 baby!!!   :shaka:

Arguing the justifications of a police officer's actions are one issue but likening yourself to President Trump is another level of pandering or a thinly veiled delusion.
There are lots of people here with experience in firearms training, escalation of force and LE training. I don't know if anyone here can speak to the training criminals receive and their use of force policy
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