Sure you want to be a cop? (Read 39458 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #180 on: September 03, 2020, 02:04:36 PM »
Impressive, if you learned of those things, yourself.   :thumbsup:

I can't help, but wonder though, if the permatroll assisted you, with some of his google-fu.


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #181 on: September 03, 2020, 02:05:04 PM »
Me; distressed by you?   :rofl:

I am the one important person, in your life, remember?

Kuleana

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #182 on: September 03, 2020, 02:08:00 PM »
Enough of that childishness.

 :stopjack:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #183 on: September 03, 2020, 02:14:51 PM »
Enough of that childishness.

 :stopjack:


LOL!!!

Once again, the one derailing the thread pretends to want to stay on topic.

Pathetic.

 :sleeping:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #184 on: September 09, 2020, 09:25:54 PM »
After that I speculated it was also possible he was hesitating because of political reasons, and ironically ended up starting the riot he was trying to prevent.

A possibility. One study of policeman did find a delay in shooting black male targets so there is certainly an argument that could be made there.

Hesitation is a double edged sword, could make things better but could also make things worse.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #185 on: September 09, 2020, 09:32:38 PM »
"Shooting the guy, shooting the guy in the back many times, I mean, couldn't you have done something different?" Trump said. "Couldn't you have wrestled him?"  (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-compared-police-who-shoot-people-to-golf-players-who-mess-up-their-shots-the-night-before-visiting-the-aftermath-of-the-jacob-blake-shooting-in-kenosha/ar-BB18A3QZ?li=BBnb7Kz)


As they say, great minds think alike. ;)


I am in total agreement with Trump, in concluding that Office Sheskey choked, in his decision, to shoot Blake, in his back.  Our US President possesses great critical wisdom, in his raising this question, to the public and police.  Trump in 2020 baby!!!   :shaka:


I look forward to reading the similar group-think criticism, for Trump raising the same question I did earlier.   :rofl:

Could the cop have wrestled him to the ground? Trump's question is a fair one, and after action analysis should address this question because there are nearly always things that could be improved on.

But the more detailed question that needs to be answered would be whether the officer could have done something different reasonably safely. Could the officer have reasonably holstered his firearm and gone hands on given what he knew at the time?

We don't know the answer to that yet though. We know the man mentioned a knife IIRC which would give a reasonable person hesitation to tackle him. We know that it was reported a knife was found near/on the driver's seat and at that point he was well within the dangerous distance. So if you were a cop would you tackle a man you had reason to believe was holding a knife?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #186 on: September 10, 2020, 12:06:35 AM »
Could the cop have wrestled him to the ground? Trump's question is a fair one, and after action analysis should address this question because there are nearly always things that could be improved on.

But the more detailed question that needs to be answered would be whether the officer could have done something different reasonably safely. Could the officer have reasonably holstered his firearm and gone hands on given what he knew at the time?

We don't know the answer to that yet though. We know the man mentioned a knife IIRC which would give a reasonable person hesitation to tackle him. We know that it was reported a knife was found near/on the driver's seat and at that point he was well within the dangerous distance. So if you were a cop would you tackle a man you had reason to believe was holding a knife?

The Cops had already gone hands on and also tried tasering him.

You should read the rest of this thread rather than picking up on only the latest 2 or 3 posts ...

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=37808.msg337315#msg337315
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #187 on: September 11, 2020, 08:35:17 PM »
The Cops had already gone hands on and also tried tasering him.

You should read the rest of this thread rather than picking up on only the latest 2 or 3 posts ...

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=37808.msg337315#msg337315

I already knew cops had gone hands on and used a taser. And if you pay attention to the time stamps, I didn't respond to the latest posts, I responded to ones several days earlier.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Sure you want to be a cop?
« Reply #188 on: September 11, 2020, 09:14:58 PM »
I already knew cops had gone hands on and used a taser. And if you pay attention to the time stamps, I didn't respond to the latest posts, I responded to ones several days earlier.

Based on your own words, you didn't know those facts until my post:

"Could the officer have reasonably holstered his firearm and gone hands on given what he knew at the time?"

Tried and failed.  That's not even a question given the facts, yet you asked anyway.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw