"SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick (Read 12981 times)

robtmc

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2020, 07:41:58 PM »
please cite an instance or two when ACB let her beliefs dictate how she ruled on law...
Along with evidence that buzzie's Jewish faith did not influence anything, as the troll seemed to claim.

drck1000

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2020, 07:47:15 PM »
What?

Life begins when you can leave the womb and can breath and survive, life ends when you cant?  Pretty simple.

They are breathing and alive? Unless you mean vegetative state then if you take them off life support do they die?

If we really get into the thick. I believe consciousness matters,  but that's a harder concept to nail down. 

Omg. Consciousness?



#imnotadoctor
#wevegotaliveone

Flapp_Jackson

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2020, 08:33:36 PM »
The same Liberal idiots who use the argument for tax payer funded Climate Change programs, "But what if the Climate Change believers are RIGHT?" turn around and say about abortion, "Life only counts if it makes it out of the womb and doesn't need help to survive." 

What if THEY are wrong?

The self-centered abortion-on-demand crowd has no concept of parenthood.  Parents would sacrifice everything for their kids.  The rest are worried that a kid will cause them to take care of someone other than themselves.  Abortion to them is just another form of birth control, like condoms and the pill.  What's missing is empathy.  Fearing a few minutes of pleasure creates a life that changes your life forever is what shapes their opinions.

Sex without consequences.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2020, 07:11:17 AM »
please cite an instance or two when ACB let her beliefs dictate how she ruled on law...

still waiting...

omnigun

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2020, 12:21:51 PM »
still waiting...

She made a lecture opposing LGBT views in 2016. She also said in her nomination the Constitution doesn't protect privacy and that statement is against all freedoms and even roe v Wade. She was against affordable care act funding abortions too.

Then you gave that whole kingdom of God quote. So far plenty of evidence she's far right religious and it will influence her opinions.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2020, 12:39:29 PM »
She made a lecture opposing LGBT views in 2016.
Please be more specific.  What views?  That's too ambiguous to be considered an argument based on religion.


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She also said in her nomination the Constitution doesn't protect privacy and that statement is against all freedoms and even roe v Wade.

I have the same opinion, and it has NOTHING to do with religion (i'm not a practicing follower of any religion).  Roe v Wade was BAD LAW.  There is no such "Right to Privacy" in the Constitution.  If you disagree, please point to the part of the Constitution that includes the word "privacy".


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She was against affordable care act funding abortions too.
I'm against ACA forcing me to pay into any insurance plan that pays for abortions for other people.  I want the freedom to buy a policy that does not include services I find immoral or nonessential.  The ACA is a tax program.  They said so before the Supreme Court.  Therefore our taxes are being used to cover abortions, sex reassignment, transgender procedures, and other procedures we are all being forced to financially provide as members of the exchange.  The Gov't wants us ALL to be on the ACA roles. 


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Then you gave that whole kingdom of God quote. So far plenty of evidence she's far right religious and it will influence her opinions.
That's your opinion and purely hypothetical.  You have given no specific examples where she has ever done that.  As a judge on the 7th circuit appellate, you should be able to find at least one example if what you said is true.


So far, you've failed to answer the question -- just like you have failed on other questions put to you.  Nothing but hyperbolic bullshit.

 :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2020, 12:40:58 PM »
She made a lecture opposing LGBT views in 2016. She also said in her nomination the Constitution doesn't protect privacy and that statement is against all freedoms and even roe v Wade. She was against affordable care act funding abortions too.

Then you gave that whole kingdom of God quote. So far plenty of evidence she's far right religious and it will influence her opinions.

I said to cite examples where it influenced how she ruled on laws...

"plenty of evidence" is in your opinion (which you always neglect to say)

groveler

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2020, 01:19:15 PM »
What?

Life begins when you can leave the womb and can breath and survive, life ends when you cant?  Pretty simple.
I think the definition of life is the heartbeat.  Even babies cut out of the womb early can survive with modern medicine.
Life starts with independent heartbeat and ends when it stops.
A baby in the womb after a very short period of time develops and maintains a heartbeat all on it's own
and realistically all death certificates can list cause of death as heart failure.

omnigun

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2020, 01:53:46 PM »
Please be more specific.  What views?  That's too ambiguous to be considered an argument based on religion.

 
I have the same opinion, and it has NOTHING to do with religion (i'm not a practicing follower of any religion).  Roe v Wade was BAD LAW.  There is no such "Right to Privacy" in the Constitution.  If you disagree, please point to the part of the Constitution that includes the word "privacy".

I'm against ACA forcing me to pay into any insurance plan that pays for abortions for other people.  I want the freedom to buy a policy that does not include services I find immoral or nonessential.  The ACA is a tax program.  They said so before the Supreme Court.  Therefore our taxes are being used to cover abortions, sex reassignment, transgender procedures, and other procedures we are all being forced to financially provide as members of the exchange.  The Gov't wants us ALL to be on the ACA roles. 

That's your opinion and purely hypothetical.  You have given no specific examples where she has ever done that.  As a judge on the 7th circuit appellate, you should be able to find at least one example if what you said is true.


So far, you've failed to answer the question -- just like you have failed on other questions put to you.  Nothing but hyperbolic bullshit.

 :wacko:

Idk what 4th ammendment  you are reading but the right of the people to be secure in their persons is privacy....

Hard to find a case because most judges don't take cases like that because it's president

Says the person who failed to even respond to my right of the mother not to be forced to take a baby to term....

omnigun

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2020, 01:55:24 PM »
I think the definition of life is the heartbeat.  Even babies cut out of the womb early can survive with modern medicine.
Life starts with independent heartbeat and ends when it stops.
A baby in the womb after a very short period of time develops and maintains a heartbeat all on it's own
and realistically all death certificates can list cause of death as heart failure.

That works physically but not mentally. If they cut off your head but keep your heart pumping are you alive?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2020, 01:56:28 PM »
I think the definition of life is the heartbeat.  Even babies cut out of the womb early can survive with modern medicine.
Life starts with independent heartbeat and ends when it stops.
A baby in the womb after a very short period of time develops and maintains a heartbeat all on it's own
and realistically all death certificates can list cause of death as heart failure.

On average, a fetus is fully developed at around 25 weeks, or 6 months.  If an abortion is performed after that, the doctor must attempt to induce a heart attack prior to the abortion.  Sometimes they do partial-birth abortions where they deliver the head, then use a scalpel or snips to sever the brain stem before completing delivery.

Basically, they KILL a living human being before removal.  The only criteria used to justify that murder versus one after birth is location.  Nothing scientific differentiates the living person inside the womb and one outside the womb.  A difference of a few inches in location is all that's considered.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2020, 01:56:56 PM »
That works physically but not mentally. If they cut off your head but keep your heart pumping are you alive?

The head is a physical part of the body.
Deeds Not Words

omnigun

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2020, 01:57:21 PM »
I said to cite examples where it influenced how she ruled on laws...

"plenty of evidence" is in your opinion (which you always neglect to say)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/amy-coney-barrett-abortion-roe-v-wade-judicial-precedent-her-own-words-1533

Flapp_Jackson

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2020, 02:00:11 PM »
The head is a physical part of the body.

Also, the heart cannot function without the autonomic control of the brain.  A person on life support and without brains function is clinically considered dead.  That's why it's legal to disconnect the machines keeping the heart pumping.

Where did you study medicine?  My guess:  nowhere.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2020, 02:03:29 PM »
Also, the heart cannot function without the autonomic control of the brain.  A person on life support and without brains function is clinically considered dead.  That's why it's legal to disconnect the machines keeping the heart pumping.

Where did you study medicine?  My guess:  nowhere.

I'm not a doctor but I know they have ways to keep the body "alive" after death.  Mostly used for transplants.  In animals too to keep the heart pumping.


Yes that's exactly what I was saying this while time consciousness to me is life.  The physical part isn't that important.

hvybarrels

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2020, 02:06:52 PM »
She is a great pick as far as throwing the religious right and evangelicals a bone. They have been ignored and neglected as a captured demographic similarly to how the left has thrown unions under the bus yet still demands their loyalty.

Trump may have many faults, but he knows the game has changed. Most pols are still pretending that populism does not exist.
The F in Communism stands for Food

ren

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2020, 02:10:39 PM »
I'm not a doctor but I know they have ways to keep the body "alive" after death.  Mostly used for transplants.  In animals too to keep the heart pumping.


Yes that's exactly what I was saying this while time consciousness to me is life.  The physical part isn't that important.

So when a person loses consciousness we do not revive?
Deeds Not Words

macsak

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2020, 02:10:58 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/amy-coney-barrett-abortion-roe-v-wade-judicial-precedent-her-own-words-1533

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macsak

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2020, 02:12:08 PM »
Idk what 4th ammendment  you are reading but the right of the people to be secure in their persons is privacy....

Hard to find a case because most judges don't take cases like that because it's president

Says the person who failed to even respond to my right of the mother not to be forced to take a baby to term....

what does trump have to do with this?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: "SHOCKING" Revelations About Trump's Potential SCOTUS Pick
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2020, 02:18:48 PM »
I'm not a doctor but I know they have ways to keep the body "alive" after death.  Mostly used for transplants.  In animals too to keep the heart pumping.


Yes that's exactly what I was saying this while time consciousness to me is life.  The physical part isn't that important.

There is no solid line between "alive" and "dead".  Someone whose heart stops can be revived up to two minutes after that before brain damage begins.  There are documented cases of people drowning in frozen rivers and lakes and then resuscitated after much longer times.  This person was underwater for 87 minutes and had a body temp of about 56 degrees F.  She was warmed up and resuscitated.  Her heart stopped, She had no brain activity (can't happen without blood flowing that long).  She was not alive.  Now she is -- again. 

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/04/03/the-swedish-skier/

There is no bright, definite line between what is a viable living organism and what is not.  Only an arrogant human would presume to know where that line exists.  Even the best doctors can't tell you where that line is.  They can only render opinions based on currently known facts.  There is still much more we don't know about medicine.  People who had no chance of recovering from a vegetative state suddenly wake up and lead normal lives.  I have a friend with a head injury that literally only 1 in 1 million survive beyond 1 year, and less than that with normal brain function (above a child's capacity).  He was 16 when he was transported to the hospital in a body bag.  He retired from the Navy last year and lives in FL.

Given the lack of certainty surrounding the mysteries of life, it's impossible that you could know beyond all doubt when life begins.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw