You are sick.  You go to work.  You infect others,  they die.

You are not sick.  A sick person goes to your work.  They get you sick.   You either can die or pass on to your parents or friends and they can die.

it's not that simple and not all doom and gloom according to the data and statistics
https://www.hawaiidata.org/covid19/#anchor2

The bottom line is this....

People get sick and die constantly.
Is covid a nasty flu? yep
Is it an automatic death sentence? nope

To answer the OP question, I probably would have done the same thing as our elected officials.
The only thing I would have done differently was to open up businesses a little faster since people were enthusiastically taking reasonable precautions.
But hindsight is 20-20
It was just so sad to see local businesses on the news folding up.

Regarding mortality rate, that's another "data point" that I see many either not understanding or misconstruing depending on what they are trying to highlight.


A) mortality per absolute number of cases (total confirmed cases within a country);
B) mortality per 100,000 people (this represents a country’s general population, with both confirmed cases and healthy people).

Just like I see folks wondering why they are reporting % positive only of folks testing.  The theory (at least as I understand it) is that that is a representative sampling of the area being tested.  Issue at the start of the pandemic is that only folks that showed symptoms were advised to be tested, so maybe not an accurate representation. 

Green was on Wake Up Today talking about "pseudo experts" taking pot shots at the State based on their response.  Yeah, Green is a "real expert" for sure. . . :facepalm:

Regarding mortality rate, that's another "data point" that I see many either not understanding or misconstruing depending on what they are trying to highlight.


A) mortality per absolute number of cases (total confirmed cases within a country);
B) mortality per 100,000 people (this represents a country’s general population, with both confirmed cases and healthy people).

Just like I see folks wondering why they are reporting % positive only of folks testing.  The theory (at least as I understand it) is that that is a representative sampling of the area being tested.  Issue at the start of the pandemic is that only folks that showed symptoms were advised to be tested, so maybe not an accurate representation.

Agreed but if you look at overall average death rate pre covid and during covid there are alot more missing deaths too.  If they died without diagnosis they were not counted in the covid death count.

it's not that simple and not all doom and gloom according to the data and statistics
https://www.hawaiidata.org/covid19/#anchor2

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Its not a death sentence but not exactly a walk in the park.  2-3% chance to die from an illness is really high.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm

Flu is 2 deaths per 100,000. 
vs
Covid is something like 2000+ per 100000

Over 1000% more deadly.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Its not a death sentence but not exactly a walk in the park.  2-3% chance to die from an illness is really high.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm

Flu is 2 deaths per 100,000. 
vs
Covid is something like 2000+ per 100000

Over 1000% more deadly.

from your link, covid is 65.74/100k
focus

Green was on Wake Up Today talking about "pseudo experts" taking pot shots at the State based on their response.  Yeah, Green is a "real expert" for sure. . . :facepalm:

don't you know that josh "i'm a doctor" green is a real doctor?

from your link, covid is 65.74/100k
focus

Now we have a practicing mathematician to complement our practicing economist. 

don't you know that josh "i'm a doctor" green is a real doctor?

He got his MD from Holiday Inn Express? 

Agreed but if you look at overall average death rate pre covid and during covid there are alot more missing deaths too.  If they died without diagnosis they were not counted in the covid death count.

Tell that to Epstein. . .

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/analysis-finds-true-pandemic-death-toll-is-much-higher-than-200000-in-us/

they are trying to redefine and stretch the data definition

Indirect consequences could include people being afraid to go to the hospital for another condition for fear of catching the coronavirus or a number of other issues caused or exacerbated by COVID-19’s economic and mental health impacts, such as loss of health insurance after layoffs, inability to afford medications after pay cuts, or the skyrocketing rates of depression in America’s adults, a condition that negatively impacts many aspects of health.

they are trying to redefine and stretch the data definition

Indirect consequences could include people being afraid to go to the hospital for another condition for fear of catching the coronavirus or a number of other issues caused or exacerbated by COVID-19’s economic and mental health impacts, such as loss of health insurance after layoffs, inability to afford medications after pay cuts, or the skyrocketing rates of depression in America’s adults, a condition that negatively impacts many aspects of health.

As well as apply data reported to support their (or an) opinion on socio-economic issues. 

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/analysis-finds-true-pandemic-death-toll-is-much-higher-than-200000-in-us/

Also likely that all the mislabeled car crashes and heart attacks that were labeled as c19 deaths more than made up the difference

Regarding mortality rate, that's another "data point" that I see many either not understanding or misconstruing depending on what they are trying to highlight.


A) mortality per absolute number of cases (total confirmed cases within a country);
B) mortality per 100,000 people (this represents a country’s general population, with both confirmed cases and healthy people).

Just like I see folks wondering why they are reporting % positive only of folks testing.  The theory (at least as I understand it) is that that is a representative sampling of the area being tested.  Issue at the start of the pandemic is that only folks that showed symptoms were advised to be tested, so maybe not an accurate representation.

Not only that, but the virus is much more highly contagious than the seasonal flu.  What does that mean?  It means the infection rates AND MORTALITY RATES are going to be much higher in the beginning, making 2020 predictably higher in deaths from COVID-19 well above average once we have another year living with it in the record books.  2021 will flatten those rates significantly.  The "death rate" will average out to much less than we are being told now.

In other words, it attacked swiftly before we understood anything about it.  We went from a projected 2M deaths to an actual 200K.  Most of the dead were in the beginning, as the high risk groups were not protected from contracting it.  Now, even without a vaccine, we are able to treat the infected much more successfully.  Trump haa already tested negative on consecutive days, less than 2 weeks after testing positive.  He's a testament to living without fear, and taking reasonable precautions while going about our daily lives.

FEAR is driving the people like OmniGrub.  Most people don't hide in isolation thinking a positive test equals a death sentence  They don't run in abject terror if they see someone not using a mask.

People die from the regular cold and flu -- which can progress into pneumonia very quickly.  I don't remember lockdowns during the several "worst cold and flu season in decades" I've seen reported.

Lots of contagious diseases around, and not everyone will be able to fight them after being infected.  It's just a fact. 

Waiting for OmniGrub to post pictures of himself modeling the latest in CDC-approved full body contamination suits.

Not only that, but the virus is much more highly contagious than the seasonal flu.  What does that mean?  It means the infection rates AND MORTALITY RATES are going to be much higher in the beginning, making 2020 predictably higher in deaths from COVID-19 well above average once we have another year living with it in the record books.  2021 will flatten those rates significantly.  The "death rate" will average out to much less than we are being told now.

In other words, it attacked swiftly before we understood anything about it.  We went from a projected 2M deaths to an actual 200K.  Most of the dead were in the beginning, as the high risk groups were not protected from contracting it.  Now, even without a vaccine, we are able to treat the infected much more successfully.  Trump haa already tested negative on consecutive days, less than 2 weeks after testing positive.  He's a testament to living without fear, and taking reasonable precautions while going about our daily lives.

FEAR is driving the people like OmniGrub.  Most people don't hide in isolation thinking a positive test equals a death sentence  They don't run in abject terror if they see someone not using a mask.

People die from the regular cold and flu -- which can progress into pneumonia very quickly.  I don't remember lockdowns during the several "worst cold and flu season in decades" I've seen reported.

Lots of contagious diseases around, and not everyone will be able to fight them after being infected.  It's just a fact. 

Waiting for OmniGrub to post pictures of himself modeling the latest in CDC-approved full body contamination suits.

You laugh but I actually have bio and radiation suits. 

You laugh but I actually have bio and radiation suits.

But you don't got anti 5G and satellite tin foil suit.  Hit me up, I'll sell for cheap.

You laugh but I actually have bio and radiation suits.

So, if you wear those when you go out, what the rest of us do re: social distancing and masks should not bother you so much.

So, if you wear those when you go out, what the rest of us do re: social distancing and masks should not bother you so much.

Yeah but not everyone has one.  My parents and grandparents don't and they are higher risk.   Not always about me