I cringe every time I see Maui’s Mayor on TV. But even with his pidgin, he comes off as more intelligent than Kermie 

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Maui people have a certain dialect of pidgin english. I first noticed it when I was talking to a coworker. It is different from Hilo pidgin or Honolulu pidgin.
It's hard to describe.

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Maui people have a certain dialect of pidgin english. I first noticed it when I was talking to a coworker. It is different from Hilo pidgin or Honolulu pidgin.
It's hard to describe.

Yeah, Hilo is another one. 

When I went to college on the mainland, there were lots of folks from the neighbor islands, Guam, and Samoa.  All speaking English, but all unique ways of speaking.  But hanging out all together, it tends to "blend". 

I didn't read 16 pages of posts, but here's my thoughts on it.

I believe a woman has the right to do what she wants with her body to include abortion.  However this only goes up to a certain point in the pregnancy where the fetus is capable of conscious thought which I'm guessing is sometime in the 2nd trimester?  Where they can react to their environment, learn their mothers voice, etc which makes them an independent human.  I would not make exceptions to rape, incest, and disabilities because it would violate this principle.  The only exception I might make is if the woman's life is in extreme danger, but then it raises the question "can you trade one innocent life for another?"

There should definitely be no government funding to support this and no government mandates that insurance companies cover the cost.  Abortion should be a shameful thing to do and society should be very vocal in opposing abortions.  At the same time, government and the community should encourage adoptions more to prevent abortions.

I am in a similar position, sort of a status quo. I figure no abortions past the 1st trimester unless the pregnancy really threatens the life of the mother. Also the government should not be covering it, again unless the mother's life is in serious danger.

The thing that bothers me is that the right is rather hypocritical on this topic. They want abortion reduced/restricted yet they don't take steps to reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies. So drop the abstinence only education and restriction of birth control and we will help to reduce the numbers of abortions as well as unwanted pregnancies. And I say that as someone who espouses abstinence until marriage too.

I am in a similar position, sort of a status quo. I figure no abortions past the 1st trimester unless the pregnancy really threatens the life of the mother. Also the government should not be covering it, again unless the mother's life is in serious danger.

The thing that bothers me is that the right is rather hypocritical on this topic. They want abortion reduced/restricted yet they don't take steps to reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies. So drop the abstinence only education and restriction of birth control and we will help to reduce the numbers of abortions as well as unwanted pregnancies. And I say that as someone who espouses abstinence until marriage too.

I was unaware Republicans ONLY wanted abstinence taught in schools.  If I'm not mistaken, they wanted abstinence INCLUDED in sex ed as PART OF birth control -- after all, it is the only form of pregnancy prevention that works every single time it's used.

The issue is Democrat/Liberal/Progressives don't believe in teaching abstinence, because it involves behavioral self-control and recognizing there are options other than having promiscuous sexual intercourse without worrying about the results.  They tell lies (say it isn't so!) that those wanting abstinence taught want that AND NOTHING ELSE taught.  There may be some small town exceptions, but you can't say "Republicans" and have any facts to back you up.

Whether you're talking about pregnancy, STDs or HIV, abstinence PREVENTS a lot of problems.  But the Libs want to live unfettered by morals or consequences as long as they have access to every possible SOLUTION for the problems they create.

Liberals:  We don't want the government in our bedrooms or medical decisions.

EEF:  The Republicans are not doing enough to prevent unwanted pregnancies. 

 

I figured I should jump in here -- just to make sure others associate you with me!   

What OmniGun says is "evolution" of language is wrong.  It's actually "adaptation."  When I go home to NC or VA, I start to pick up my old Southern accent.  In Hawaii, I really don't have much of any accent.  In Northern states, or just when working around people raised in the North, I start to sound like they do.

People use language to adapt in order to fit in.  It's easier to communicate if we speak the same language the same way.

Language evolves very slowly over a very long time.  Trying to push the idea that poor use of a common language is "evolution" is intellectually lazy and false.  Is Pidgin considered an evolved version of English?  Cockney?  Ebonics?  Those are not "evolved" versions of English.  They are localized adaptations of the English language created by people who were uneducated about the language and passed the bad version onto others.

Evolution involves changing the core vocabulary, spellings, definitions and pronunciations.  Nobody is going to merge the Urban Dictionary with the Oxford English Dictionary and call it "evolution."

I agree with your statement here. You said it better than I did. I was trying to take a more personal approach in hopes of getting through to him. Hoping the light comes on. But I was not successful.

I was unaware Republicans ONLY wanted abstinence taught in schools.  If I'm not mistaken, they wanted abstinence INCLUDED in sex ed as PART OF birth control -- after all, it is the only form of pregnancy prevention that works every single time it's used.

The issue is Democrat/Liberal/Progressives don't believe in teaching abstinence, because it involves behavioral self-control and recognizing there are options other than having promiscuous sexual intercourse without worrying about the results.  They tell lies (say it isn't so!) that those wanting abstinence taught want that AND NOTHING ELSE taught.  There may be some small town exceptions, but you can't say "Republicans" and have any facts to back you up.

Whether you're talking about pregnancy, STDs or HIV, abstinence PREVENTS a lot of problems.  But the Libs want to live unfettered by morals or consequences as long as they have access to every possible SOLUTION for the problems they create.

Liberals:  We don't want the government in our bedrooms or medical decisions.

EEF:  The Republicans are not doing enough to prevent unwanted pregnancies. 

 

This is a fairly stupid stance for the Republicans.  I have to disagree with you.  From what I've seen they wanted sex education cuts. Focus on abstinence  and not sex positive education.  People are horny, young people especially. They are going to have sex.   You need to teach them how to do it safely. Not demonize it and tell them not to do it....feel free to teach both but you cant ignore it. Give out free condoms, and birth control. Educate the fuck out of young people on all their options so they are prepared.  That will lessen the needed abortions.

There are those that think how you do and there are others with a different viewpoint.

Young minds are so impressionable.  Young minds are so over sexualized these days.  Pop culture doesn’t help because they glamorize sex and hooking up in almost every show.

As a parent, I don’t want liberal teachers teaching MY kids to have sex for fun and whatever other things they push on kids these days.

I prefer to teach MY kids to be responsible for their actions and to be careful about having sex, not to be sex crazy and want to have sex with anything that moves.  Focus on school, focus on their goals, delayed gratification, personal responsibility, develop good character.

I would prefer them to have sex in the context of marriage but that would be their choice when they’re prove that they are mature enough to take personal responsibility for their actions.

There are those that think how you do and there are others with a different viewpoint.

Young minds are so impressionable.  Young minds are so over sexualized these days.  Pop culture doesn’t help because they glamorize sex and hooking up in almost every show.

As a parent, I don’t want liberal teachers teaching MY kids to have sex for fun and whatever other things they push on kids these days.

I prefer to teach MY kids to be responsible for their actions and to be careful about having sex, not to be sex crazy and want to have sex with anything that moves.  Focus on school, focus on their goals, delayed gratification, personal responsibility, develop good character.

I would prefer them to have sex in the context of marriage but that would be their choice when they’re prove that they are mature enough to take personal responsibility for their actions.

I respect your viewpoint but how do you differentiate in school?  Do you have half a class take one sex ed class and another, a different class?  If you want a more conservative viewpoint of mostly abstinence.  I personally think there should be one sex-ed class that just gives all the dangers and methods.  Be as neutral as possible.  Show what STDS and pregnancy is, while also showing how to use condoms and birth control etc.  Let the kid decide with his parents and personal morals what to do with the information. 

Easy.  The school can send a permission note asking the parents if they will allow their kid to attend the school’s sex education class.

Let the parents handle sex ed for their kids if they don’t let their kids attend.

Have those not attending go do something else like volunteer somewhere in the school.

Alternatively, make sex ed class an after-school activity with the kids, parents and teachers and invite the parents to go on this activity with their kid.   School can bring up the subject of puberty and let the parents be involved with what they want to teach their kid about it, as not one size fits all.

The schools are trying to fill in where some families are failing to teach their kids because they want kids to be aware of the trouble they can get into with unprotected sex.

I understand why the schools are pushing sex education, because kids are getting into it earlier and earlier.  My son is on the younger age group of his batch and what may be age appropriate for 13 year old may not even be on the radar of a 12 year old.

In the end, if a boy gets a girl pregnant, it’s the families that have to deal with the consequence and not the school.  So parents need to have more say on what they are teaching these kids concerning this.

This is a fairly stupid stance for the Republicans.  I have to disagree with you.  From what I've seen they wanted sex education cuts. Focus on abstinence  and not sex positive education.  People are horny, young people especially. They are going to have sex.   You need to teach them how to do it safely. Not demonize it and tell them not to do it....feel free to teach both but you cant ignore it. Give out free condoms, and birth control. Educate the fuck out of young people on all their options so they are prepared.  That will lessen the needed abortions.

From what you've seen?  When did you "see" this?  Where did you "see" this?  Who did you "see" calling for sex ed cuts?

You need to start giving more sources and details for your supposed "facts".  All we ever get from you are personal opinions or assumptions.  When you do give sources, all you did was post the first associated Google result.

I used to be a teen.  I was never "horny."  I was raised to understand the CONSEQUENCES of following my feelings versus thinking about my choices.  "If you can't live with 'em, don't fuck 'em" was a common saying at my school.  Because if you made a baby with another young person, you'd be looking at an entire lifetime with that person and your child.  Abortion is more the woman's (girl's) choice, so no matter what you want, termination of the pregnancy isn't your choice.  That means at the very least, you'll be working to pay child support for as many years as (or more than) the number of birthday's you've had.

Did anyone here (me??) ever say not to teach safe sex?  ever?

Stop lecturing us on every little tangential side issue.  It got old a long time ago.

So, post your sources where REPUBLICANS want to CUT sex ed.  Otherwise, you're just spewing more leftist-progressive bullshit.

Easy.  The school can send a permission note asking the parents if they will allow their kid to attend the school’s sex education class.

Let the parents handle sex ed for their kids if they don’t let their kids attend.

Have those not attending go do something else like volunteer somewhere in the school.

The schools are trying to fill in where some families are failing to teach their kids because they want kids to be aware of the trouble they can get into with unprotected sex.

I understand why the schools are pushing sex education, because kids are getting into it earlier and earlier.  My son is on the younger age group of his batch and what may be age appropriate for 13 year old may not even be on the radar of a 12 year old.

In the end, of a boy gets a girl pregnant, it’s the families that have to deal with the consequence and not the school.  So parents need to have more say on what they are teaching these kids.

I remember those waivers in mid school.
Schools are not parents.

This is a fairly stupid stance for the Republicans.  I have to disagree with you.  From what I've seen they wanted sex education cuts. Focus on abstinence  and not sex positive education.  People are horny, young people especially. They are going to have sex.   You need to teach them how to do it safely. Not demonize it and tell them not to do it....feel free to teach both but you cant ignore it. Give out free condoms, and birth control. Educate the fuck out of young people on all their options so they are prepared.  That will lessen the needed abortions.

I see what you did. Propaganda. You see abstinence as impossible and do this by inserting loaded "colorful" words like that and associate it with "young" people (children).

From what you've seen?  When did you "see" this?  Where did you "see" this?  Who did you "see" calling for sex ed cuts?

You need to start giving more sources and details for your supposed "facts".  All we ever get from you are personal opinions or assumptions.  When you do give sources, all you did was post the first associated Google result.

I used to be a teen.  I was never "horny."  I was raised to understand the CONSEQUENCES of following my feelings versus thinking about my choices.  "If you can't live with 'em, don't fuck 'em" was a common saying at my school.  Because if you made a baby with another young person, you'd be looking at an entire lifetime with that person and your child.  Abortion is more the woman's (girl's) choice, so no matter what you want, termination of the pregnancy isn't your choice.  That means at the very least, you'll be working to pay child support for as many years as (or more than) the number of birthday's you've had.

Did anyone here (me??) ever say not to teach safe sex?  ever?

Stop lecturing us on every little tangential side issue.  It got old a long time ago.

So, post your sources where REPUBLICANS want to CUT sex ed.  Otherwise, you're just spewing more leftist-progressive bullshit.

I can say as a teen that wasn't me, any many teens I know were similar. Not all.  I know some people like you.  Neither is correct or wrong.   My school was mostly SAFETY.  How to be safe regardless of your choice.  Gave both options.  Showed us the ole condom on a banana.  Had us watch some std and pregnancy info. Left the decisions up to us/parents.

As for your proof, here is some quick googles.
https://nwcitizen.com/entry/sex-education-sends-republicans-into-panic
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/texas-voters-support-abstinence-plus-sex-education-in-schools-a-new-bipartisan-poll-shows-301078365.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/sex-ed-mandate-sparks-bitter-washington-state-ballot-73292915

I see what you did. Propaganda. You see abstinence as impossible and do this by inserting loaded "colorful" words like that and associate it with "young" people (children).

Its not impossible but impractical to force upon everyone.  I preach freedom.  This applies to children too, give them the options and let them decide.  Teach them to be safe and what the risks are.  Have them discuss with parents and form their decision. Forcing either way is wrong. 

I can say as a teen that wasn't me, any many teens I know were similar. Not all.  I know some people like you.  Neither is correct or wrong.   My school was mostly SAFETY.  How to be safe regardless of your choice.  Gave both options.  Showed us the ole condom on a banana.  Had us watch some std and pregnancy info. Left the decisions up to us/parents.

As for your proof, here is some quick googles.
https://nwcitizen.com/entry/sex-education-sends-republicans-into-panic
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/texas-voters-support-abstinence-plus-sex-education-in-schools-a-new-bipartisan-poll-shows-301078365.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/sex-ed-mandate-sparks-bitter-washington-state-ballot-73292915

Your ABC link is not about whether or not sex ed should be taught.  It's about a law mandating sex ed in Washington schools, removing any choice on the matter from schools and parents.

Republicans have slammed the mandate as an affront to local and parental control of education.
Though school boards have the authority to create or adopt their own curriculum, opponents said
the bill would still dictate what must be covered in classes. Opposition leaders say they aren’t
necessarily opposed to sex education but see the statewide mandate as heavy-handed.

Most schools are still run by the local community.  To take away that relationship through a state law is not what any state should do.  Every state except Hawaii has county and city school boards intended to take the local parent's concerns and incorporate them into the board's decisions.  A state law mandating not only sex ed classes, but what specifically is to be taught is not how schools should be taking direction.

Go read the links you Googled and then explain why they support your 'facts".

I'll admit, I was 1 horny fakka in high school...and still probably. What kept me grounded was not sex ed, but being in long term relationships. So no sleeping around. But still had a few preggers scares here and there through out high school.

I was only taught sex ed in 7th and 10th grade.  7th grade was more of an anatomy class with all drawings, no real pics.  10th grade was the same, more anatomy and reproduction.  No mention of abortion, birth defects, or responsible parenting. 10th grade did go a little more into detail of STDs, but no visuals, just descriptions.  No condom and banana, just reading from the packet how to put on and remove a condom with illustrations.  Neither showed any videos.

In fact the only abstinence experience that I do have was when I was about 19, my gf at the time went to her gyno to go on the bill.  She told me her gyno asked her "is this guy really worth it?  You should wait till married".  I hated that doc after.

So my schools sex ed classes really needed an update on what to teach.  They should teach all aspects relating to it, this way kids can make informed decisions.

Your ABC link is not about whether or not sex ed should be taught.  It's about a law mandating sex ed in Washington schools, removing any choice on the matter from schools and parents.

Most schools are still run by the local community.  To take away that relationship through a state law is not what any state should do.  Every state except Hawaii has county and city school boards intended to take the local parent's concerns and incorporate them into the board's decisions.  A state law mandating not only sex ed classes, but what specifically is to be taught is not how schools should be taking direction.

Go read the links you Googled and then explain why they support your 'facts".

You literally picked one of the 3, that supported something you could harp on...I can find more that doesn't fit that agenda if you want.  Though on that point I believe kids deserve an education,  you as a parent cant say they don't need math why can you say they don't need biology?  There needs some form of sex ed, preferably very neutral that doesn't say what is good or bad but just how it works and how to protect yourself and the consequences.

I'll admit, I was 1 horny fakka in high school...and still probably. What kept me grounded was not sex ed, but being in long term relationships. So no sleeping around. But still had a few preggers scares here and there through out high school.

I was only taught sex ed in 7th and 10th grade.  7th grade was more of an anatomy class with all drawings, no real pics.  10th grade was the same, more anatomy and reproduction.  No mention of abortion, birth defects, or responsible parenting. 10th grade did go a little more into detail of STDs, but no visuals, just descriptions.  No condom and banana, just reading from the packet how to put on and remove a condom with illustrations.  Neither showed any videos.

In fact the only abstinence experience that I do have was when I was about 19, my gf at the time went to her gyno to go on the bill.  She told me her gyno asked her "is this guy really worth it?  You should wait till married".  I hated that doc after.

So my schools sex ed classes really needed an update on what to teach.  They should teach all aspects relating to it, this way kids can make informed decisions.

This exactly.  I was fortunate that I got that education.  Many are not.

You literally picked one of the 3, that supported something you could harp on...I can find more that doesn't fit that agenda if you want.  Though on that point I believe kids deserve an education,  you as a parent cant say they don't need math why can you say they don't need biology?  There needs some form of sex ed, preferably very neutral that doesn't say what is good or bad but just how it works and how to protect yourself and the consequences.

I "literally" picked the first one I read which happened to prove you don't read the links you Google and post here.

I understand it makes you angry to have your laziness pointed out, but it is what it is. 

Don't want to be be called lazy?  Stop being lazy.  Simple.  Period.

I'll admit, I was 1 horny fakka in high school...and still probably. What kept me grounded was not sex ed, but being in long term relationships. So no sleeping around. But still had a few preggers scares here and there through out high school.

I was only taught sex ed in 7th and 10th grade.  7th grade was more of an anatomy class with all drawings, no real pics.  10th grade was the same, more anatomy and reproduction.  No mention of abortion, birth defects, or responsible parenting. 10th grade did go a little more into detail of STDs, but no visuals, just descriptions.  No condom and banana, just reading from the packet how to put on and remove a condom with illustrations.  Neither showed any videos.

In fact the only abstinence experience that I do have was when I was about 19, my gf at the time went to her gyno to go on the bill.  She told me her gyno asked her "is this guy really worth it?  You should wait till married".  I hated that doc after.

So my schools sex ed classes really needed an update on what to teach.  They should teach all aspects relating to it, this way kids can make informed decisions.

"on the bill"?

Freudian?