Poll

What is your stance on abortion?

Under no circumstances allowed
29.6%
Under rape/incest
25.9%
Under Medical or Genetic issues.
7.4%
Personal choice
33.3%
Forced
3.7%
Total Members Voted
27

Abortion (Read 227262 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #440 on: October 22, 2020, 09:53:39 PM »
Watched the trailer looks like what you all like to fondly call brainwashing with intent.  That's all fake with 1% truth that they label its based off of.  Reminds me of those religious movies. 

Even if I was somehow convinced to view all your viewpoints on abortion would still be pro choice just never make that choice myself.  Cause this is America and freedom.

This is the 79th time you've posted your opinion on the topic.

If you hit 100, do you get a set of salad spoons?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #441 on: October 22, 2020, 09:58:35 PM »
This is the 79th time you've posted your opinion on the topic.

If you hit 100, do you get a set of salad spoons?

If he’s at 79, then you must have just hit 79 too because you reply to every dang thing he posts.
(On every topic)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #442 on: October 22, 2020, 09:59:46 PM »
If he’s at 79, then you must have just hit 79 too because you reply to every dang thing he posts.
(On every topic)

Nobody cares what you think.

 :wave:

 :stopjack: :stopjack: :stopjack:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #443 on: October 23, 2020, 06:19:26 AM »
This is the 79th time you've posted your opinion on the topic.

If you hit 100, do you get a set of salad spoons?

Posting opinions on a topic I started?  Why would someone do that?  :crazy:

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #444 on: October 23, 2020, 08:15:12 AM »
The Trump administration has joined 32 illiberal or authoritarian countries in declaring that women have no intrinsic right to abortion.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/abortion-geneva-consensus-declaration-trump-pompeo-azar-us-saudi-arabia-uganda-b1250419.html

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #445 on: October 23, 2020, 08:19:22 AM »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #446 on: October 23, 2020, 08:20:42 AM »
Posting opinions on a topic I started?  Why would someone do that?  :crazy:

Opinions?

No.  Just the same one over

and over

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 :sleeping:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #447 on: October 23, 2020, 08:21:29 AM »
The Trump administration has joined 32 illiberal or authoritarian countries in declaring that women have no intrinsic right to abortion.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/abortion-geneva-consensus-declaration-trump-pompeo-azar-us-saudi-arabia-uganda-b1250419.html

Do you know what "intrinsic" means?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #448 on: October 23, 2020, 08:26:18 AM »
Do you know what "intrinsic" means?

Definition of intrinsic
1a: belonging to the essential nature or constitution of a thing
the intrinsic worth of a gem
the intrinsic brightness of a star
b: being or relating to a semiconductor in which the concentration of charge carriers is characteristic of the material itself instead of the content of any impurities it contains
2a: originating or due to causes within a body, organ, or part
an intrinsic metabolic disease
b: originating and included wholly within an organ or part
intrinsic muscles


intrinsic

[ in-trin-sik, -zik ]SHOW IPA
SEE SYNONYMS FOR intrinsic ON THESAURUS.COM
adjective
belonging to a thing by its very nature:
the intrinsic value of a gold ring.
Anatomy. (of certain muscles, nerves, etc.) belonging to or lying within a given part.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #449 on: October 23, 2020, 08:27:20 AM »
Opinions?

No.  Just the same one over

and over

and over

and over

and over

and over

and over

and over

and over

and over

and over

and over

and over

 :sleeping:

I guess I just need to spice things up  :shake:  Posted 2 new links in previous posts

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #450 on: October 23, 2020, 08:37:22 AM »
Poland's top court rules out abortions due to fetal defects

https://apnews.com/article/international-news-poland-abortion-europe-birth-defects-9258358858a72911663cd1d276a8fbd2

Future dystopia?

The Dystopia would be genetic selection of the children who deserve to be born while killing those you deem undeserving.

The Nazis had a name for this practice, a practice they called:  eugenics. 

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Eugenics was popular in America during much of the first half of the twentieth century,
yet it earned its negative association mainly from Adolf Hitler’s obsessive attempts to
create a superior Aryan race.

Who decides which genetic qualities and traits are desirable, and which ones are not?  If genetic "corrections" are done in a lab as the egg is fertilized, that's one thing.  Terminating a pregnancy because one parent's genes are dominant but you wanted the other parent's traits is playing god.

You really ought to watch the movie, Gattaca.  Its the futuristic story of how the world was divided into two classes:  Valids and Invalids. 

Valids were the product of genetic modifications.  Parents picked hair and eye color, sex, and a whole list of other aesthetic traits.  Then the doctors ensured problems like heart disease or defects were eliminated from the genetic "history". 

Invalids were the children of parents who either didn't have the option to do genetic mods (wasn't available at the time, could not afford it, or just  didn't believe in the practice).

The Valids were given all the top opportunities and jobs.  They were the best athletes, best minds, etc.  The Invalids became the labor force and treated as second class citizens ... literally.

There's a good story and a few lessons about how much, and how little, control we actually have over our lives, and whether we are smart enough to decide which lives have value and which ones don't.

« Last Edit: October 23, 2020, 09:23:26 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #451 on: October 23, 2020, 08:37:53 AM »
Definition of intrinsic
1a: belonging to the essential nature or constitution of a thing
the intrinsic worth of a gem
the intrinsic brightness of a star
b: being or relating to a semiconductor in which the concentration of charge carriers is characteristic of the material itself instead of the content of any impurities it contains
2a: originating or due to causes within a body, organ, or part
an intrinsic metabolic disease
b: originating and included wholly within an organ or part
intrinsic muscles


intrinsic

[ in-trin-sik, -zik ]SHOW IPA
SEE SYNONYMS FOR intrinsic ON THESAURUS.COM
adjective
belonging to a thing by its very nature:
the intrinsic value of a gold ring.
Anatomy. (of certain muscles, nerves, etc.) belonging to or lying within a given part.

I didn't ask if you know how to use Google.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #452 on: October 23, 2020, 09:19:24 AM »
The Dystopia would be genetic selection of the children who deserve to be born while killing those you deem undeserving.

The Nazis had a name for this practice, a practice they :  eugenics. 

Who decides which genetic qualities and traits are desirable, and which ones are not?  If genetic "corrections" are done in a lab as the egg is fertilized, that's one thing.  Terminating a pregnancy because one parent's genes are dominant but you wanted the other parent's traits is playing god.

You really ought to watch the movie, Gattaca.  Its the futuristic story of how the world was divided into two classes:  Valids and Invalids. 

Valids were the product of genetic modifications.  Parents picked hair and eye color, sex, and a whole list of other aesthetic traits.  Then the doctors ensured problems like heart disease or defects were eliminated from the genetic "history". 

Invalids were the children of parents who either didn't have the option to do genetic mods (wasn't available at the time, could not afford it, or just  didn't believe in the practice).

The Valids were given all the top opportunities and jobs.  They were the best athletes, best minds, etc.  The Invalids became the labor force and treated as second class citizens ... literally.

There's a good story and a few lessons about how much, and how little, control we actually have over our lives, and whether we are smart enough to decide which lives have value and which ones don't.

We are talking about genetic defects here.  Not what color hair they have or are they white enough like the Nazis.  I'm talking about are they missing organs.  Things we shouldn't force the poor child to be born to live with.  Things we shouldn't force the parents to live with.  Things we shouldn't force society to live with.

I did watch that film it was interesting. I do agree that its a difficult thing to trend towards.  It would have to be available to all regardless of wealth to erase discrimination.  But I think its a great thing.  Imagine a world with only smart people, people with no diseases.  Everyone lives a happy full life.  Perhaps eliminate cancer and hiv and other things that genetics can fix.

macsak

Re: Abortion
« Reply #453 on: October 23, 2020, 09:25:06 AM »
We are talking about genetic defects here.  Not what color hair they have or are they white enough like the Nazis.  I'm talking about are they missing organs.  Things we shouldn't force the poor child to be born to live with.  Things we shouldn't force the parents to live with.  Things we shouldn't force society to live with.

I did watch that film it was interesting. I do agree that its a difficult thing to trend towards.  It would have to be available to all regardless of wealth to erase discrimination.  But I think its a great thing.  Imagine a world with only smart people, people with no diseases.  Everyone lives a happy full life.  Perhaps eliminate cancer and hiv and other things that genetics can fix.

gentics genetics can fix HIV?
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drck1000

Re: Abortion
« Reply #454 on: October 23, 2020, 09:26:58 AM »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #455 on: October 23, 2020, 09:31:46 AM »
We are talking about genetic defects here.  Not what color hair they have or are they white enough like the Nazis.  I'm talking about are they missing organs.  Things we shouldn't force the poor child to be born to live with.  Things we shouldn't force the parents to live with.  Things we shouldn't force society to live with.

I did watch that film it was interesting. I do agree that its a difficult thing to trend towards.  It would have to be available to all regardless of wealth to erase discrimination.  But I think its a great thing.  Imagine a world with only smart people, people with no diseases.  Everyone lives a happy full life.  Perhaps eliminate cancer and hiv and other things that genetics can fix.

No, you are talking about placing a value on a life.  Those with defects are considered worthless, and those which you determine to be "normal" MAY be allowed to pass through the birth canal.  You're not talking about anything else.

I can imagine quite a lot.  But, every time man tries to play god, the benefits are offset by the harm it does.  What man thinks is "perfection" requires an assumption that he knows at least as much as nature or God.  What if the lab made a mistake?  You might not know until the child has a physical for school, and you discover a defect in the heart, kidneys or whatever that shortens his/her life significantly.  You can't test for everything.

Didn't Jurassic Park start this way?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #456 on: October 23, 2020, 09:37:19 AM »
gentics can fix HIV?

Sure.  You just have to find and remove the Gay gene ....


If we can stop the Human Immunodeficiency Virus by changing our genes, maybe we can fix COVID and all the other SARS variants, too!   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I don't think he knows how any of this works.   :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Abortion
« Reply #457 on: October 23, 2020, 09:43:21 AM »

ren

Re: Abortion
« Reply #458 on: October 23, 2020, 09:44:18 AM »
gentics can fix HIV?

Let the real doctor speak...
Deeds Not Words

macsak

Re: Abortion
« Reply #459 on: October 23, 2020, 10:05:38 AM »
Let the real doctor speak...

heads