You literally picked one of the 3, that supported something you could harp on...I can find more that doesn't fit that agenda if you want.  Though on that point I believe kids deserve an education,  you as a parent cant say they don't need math why can you say they don't need biology?  There needs some form of sex ed, preferably very neutral that doesn't say what is good or bad but just how it works and how to protect yourself and the consequences.

Sex ed is best provided by the parents.  They know what religious or other lessons have been taught to their kids -- teachers do not.  Parents can answer the ETHICAL, MORAL and PSYCHOLOGICAL/EMOTIONAL questions.  Teachers cannot.

Unfortunately, when parents started relegating their roles to the schools, many kids stopped getting "the talk" at home.  So, schools started increasing sex ed lessons.  My wife left me with 2 teen girls to finish raising.  As soon as I found out my younger one was becoming active, I sat her down and discussed everything I thought was important, including the emotional side.  She said she unfortunately found out that was the one thing sex ed didn't prepare her for.  If one partner is in the relationship for sex, and the other is in it because they really want a BF/GF, it becomes hurtful very quickly. 

Girls have much more to lose from lack of knowledge than guys.  Worst outcome for a guy is an STD.  Worst outcome for a girl cold be pregnancy before finishing high school, or an STD which for girls can lead to becoming sterile.  Some STDs are MUCH worse for females than males.  Then there's the stigma of having to report STDs to the health dept and CDC, who will then do contact tracing to notify any and all sexual partners that might have been infected.  It's how they find outbreaks of STDs in schools now and again. 

It's obvious no matter how much information you give school kids, it's never going to stop carelessness.  Some kids are more embarrassed asking a 7-11 clerk for condoms than they are getting naked with another student.  You can't fix emotions and feelings with "education", especially if a teacher has no personal connection with every student.  Again, that's the parent's domain.

"on the bill"?

Freudian? 

 

I saw that, but shrugged it off as another instance of how uneducated he is.  He already admitted how totally dependent he is on electronic spellcheckers.  We're going to have to accept that English is not his first language.  Technically, he doesn't have a first language, yet. 

Sex ed is best provided by the parents.  They know what religious or other lessons have been taught to their kids -- teachers do not.  Parents can answer the ETHICAL, MORAL and PSYCHOLOGICAL/EMOTIONAL questions.  Teachers cannot.

Unfortunately, when parents started relegating their roles to the schools, many kids stopped getting "the talk" at home.  So, schools started increasing sex ed lessons.  My wife left me with 2 teen girls to finish raising.  As soon as I found out my younger one was becoming active, I sat her down and discussed everything I thought was important, including the emotional side.  She said she unfortunately found out that was the one thing sex ed didn't prepare her for.  If one partner is in the relationship for sex, and the other is in it because they really want a BF/GF, it becomes hurtful very quickly. 

Girls have much more to lose from lack of knowledge than guys.  Worst outcome for a guy is an STD.  Worst outcome for a girl cold be pregnancy before finishing high school, or an STD which for girls can lead to becoming sterile.  Some STDs are MUCH worse for females than males.  Then there's the stigma of having to report STDs to the health dept and CDC, who will then do contact tracing to notify any and all sexual partners that might have been infected.  It's how they find outbreaks of STDs in schools now and again. 

It's obvious no matter how much information you give school kids, it's never going to stop carelessness.  Some kids are more embarrassed asking a 7-11 clerk for condoms than they are getting naked with another student.  You can't fix emotions and feelings with "education", especially if a teacher has no personal connection with every student.  Again, that's the parent's domain.

How do you make sure kids are educated if its up to the parents?  What if there are parents that wont give the talk and won't let the school teach?  We run into this with home schooling.  Kids deserve information and knowledge and an education.  They deserve facts not just opinions and to make their own decisions.  If they have ultra religious parents that forbid things they should not be forced to live with the lack of knowledge.  Teach them the facts and leave more of the morals to the parents is a good balance. 

How do you make sure kids are educated if its up to the parents?  What if there are parents that wont give the talk and won't let the school teach?  We run into this with home schooling.  Kids deserve information and knowledge and an education.  They deserve facts not just opinions and to make their own decisions.  If they have ultra religious parents that forbid things they should not be forced to live with the lack of knowledge.  Teach them the facts and leave more of the morals to the parents is a good balance.

so not only are you "omnigun" but self appointed worldwide savior "omniparent" now?
If I was an honest, tax-paying, mindful parent I'd say "Stay the f*ck away from my kids and guns -  you are an absolute colossal fucking idiot trying to be a dictator with a Burger King crown"

"on the bill"?

Freudian? 

 

Pill, No Focus

I saw that, but shrugged it off as another instance of how uneducated he is.  He already admitted how totally dependent he is on electronic spellcheckers.  We're going to have to accept that English is not his first language.  Technically, he doesn't have a first language, yet.

Not the usual suspect that time. The other horny millennial. 

Pill, No Focus

Loosen the tinfoil. Allow some blood flow back to the cabesa. 

How do you make sure kids are educated if its up to the parents?  What if there are parents that wont give the talk and won't let the school teach?  We run into this with home schooling.  Kids deserve information and knowledge and an education.  They deserve facts not just opinions and to make their own decisions.  If they have ultra religious parents that forbid things they should not be forced to live with the lack of knowledge.  Teach them the facts and leave more of the morals to the parents is a good balance.

Who said the state is responsible for everything and everyone?

You seem to have learned all about your "freedoms" and "rights", but not about your RESPONSIBILITIES.  As a responsible parent, I do my best.  It's not my place to substitute myself for others as parents.  Nor should it be the school's place.

Maybe they should require all parents attend a night/weekend sex ed course focusing on how the PARENTS are responsible for their kids' education when it comes to things like reproductive health.

Not the usual suspect that time. The other horny millennial. 
Loosen the tinfoil. Allow some blood flow back to the cabesa. 

Dang -- I had blinders on from dealing with the "usual suspect."

Apologies for the misdirected language remarks!   

Dang -- I had blinders on from dealing with the "usual suspect."

Apologies for the misdirected language remarks!   

Focus 

Who said the state is responsible for everything and everyone?

You seem to have learned all about your "freedoms" and "rights", but not about your RESPONSIBILITIES.  As a responsible parent, I do my best.  It's not my place to substitute myself for others as parents.  Nor should it be the school's place.

Maybe they should require all parents attend a night/weekend sex ed course focusing on how the PARENTS are responsible for their kids' education when it comes to things like reproductive health.

That's the junk part, many parents are not teaching their kids life skills.  Things like changing a tire, taxes, resume, cooking, not attacking someone because they're wearing a MAGA hat, etc...

TBH, my parents asked if I wanted the talk and it was super awkward.  I just said school taught it.  I rather learn from a teacher than a parent.  And every class always has that 1 guy asking the best sex ed questions.

That's the junk part, many parents are not teaching their kids life skills.  Things like changing a tire, taxes, resume, cooking, not attacking someone because they're wearing a MAGA hat, etc...

TBH, my parents asked if I wanted the talk and it was super awkward.  I just said school taught it.  I rather learn from a teacher than a parent.  And every class always has that 1 guy asking the best sex ed questions.

I'm not saying don't teach sex ed in schools, but rather increase it to include parents, too.  The school can only teach so much based on time, materials, insight into each student's upbringing, and so on.  We need to stop making the school RESPONSIBLE for sexual behavior.  Make them responsible for the educational part -- anatomy, function, biology, etc.  Give the kids a foundation of knowledge, then let the kids and parents handle the behavior aspect.  Maybe even schedule a time for parents and teachers to meet with the student and go through a list of topics.  Maybe quiz the parent in front of the kid to see what their beliefs are and lessons they might be able to share -- things they would have done differently.

One thing's for sure -- kids have too much time on their hands.  I was working and in all kinds of extracurriculars, Boy Scouts, doing household chores, etc.  I didn't have the means (car, money) or time until my  HS jr year to even consider actually dating anyone.  Maybe that is something parents can work on, too.  Give the kids something more to do besides texting friends all day, watching YouTube videos and playing the latest video games.  Idle hands are the Devil's workshop.

One thing's for sure -- kids have too much time on their hands.  I was working and in all kinds of extracurriculars, Boy Scouts, doing household chores, etc.  I didn't have the means (car, money) or time until my  HS jr year to even consider actually dating anyone.  Maybe that is something parents can work on, too.  Give the kids something more to do besides texting friends all day, watching YouTube videos and playing the latest video games.  Idle hands are the Devil's workshop.

have you kid work to buy themselves a boat.  Won't have money/time for anything else.

have you kid work to buy themselves a boat.  Won't have money/time for anything else.

I was asked in college if I'd ever tried pot.

I said, "No.  Pot costs money, aside from the fact it's illegal.  I was so broke growing up, I couldn't even pay attention!"

Excess "wealth" often leads to excessive behaviors.

Dang -- I had blinders on from dealing with the "usual suspect."

Apologies for the misdirected language remarks!   

No worries on my end.  Other than a 

 

Focus 

#nofocus

The blood flow to the "little CMO head" taking away from blood flow the the other one.    

Just watched a movie titled "Unplanned".  Worth a watch to see a glimpse of the abortion business and how Planned Parenthood operates.

Just watched a movie titled "Unplanned".  Worth a watch to see a glimpse of the abortion business and how Planned Parenthood operates.

i doubt that would change a certain someone's "feelings"...

i doubt that would change a certain someone's "feelings"...

I don't know.  It's a pretty emotional video.  That's the kind of thing upon which he bases his opinions.  (Let's see if he can read that grammatically correct sentence).

i doubt that would change a certain someone's "feelings"...

Watched the trailer looks like what you all like to fondly call brainwashing with intent.  That's all fake with 1% truth that they label its based off of.  Reminds me of those religious movies. 

Even if I was somehow convinced to view all your viewpoints on abortion would still be pro choice just never make that choice myself.  Cause this is America and freedom. 

I was unaware Republicans ONLY wanted abstinence taught in schools.  If I'm not mistaken, they wanted abstinence INCLUDED in sex ed as PART OF birth control -- after all, it is the only form of pregnancy prevention that works every single time it's used.

Get your head out of the sand, it wasn't left wing people who wanted abstinence only education, it was right wing. And no, not all right wing people wanted abstinence only education, some did. Point was that it was something that came much more from conservatives, not liberals.

The issue is Democrat/Liberal/Progressives don't believe in teaching abstinence, because it involves behavioral self-control and recognizing there are options other than having promiscuous sexual intercourse without worrying about the results.  They tell lies (say it isn't so!) that those wanting abstinence taught want that AND NOTHING ELSE taught.  There may be some small town exceptions, but you can't say "Republicans" and have any facts to back you up.

Some conservatives, not all, see above

"Abstinence-only education programs, in contrast, received the lowest levels of support (36%) and the highest level of opposition (about 50%) across the 3 program options. "
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/205706

36%, clearly a tiny fraction...
And since you like graphs

Whether you're talking about pregnancy, STDs or HIV, abstinence PREVENTS a lot of problems.  But the Libs want to live unfettered by morals or consequences as long as they have access to every possible SOLUTION for the problems they create.

Abstinence would work great at stopping STDs and unwanted pregnancies, to bad it has never been shown to be an effective model for teenagers to follow. Ideals are great but be realistic, abstinence only education has never been shown to produce the desired results.

Liberals:  We don't want the government in our bedrooms or medical decisions.

EEF:  The Republicans are not doing enough to prevent unwanted pregnancies. 

Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. The point is that if abortion is murder and must be reduced as much as possible then you don't fight against sex education which is going to help reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies. It is like protesting house fires but not wanting people to have smoke detectors and fire extinguishers.

There are those that think how you do and there are others with a different viewpoint.

Young minds are so impressionable.  Young minds are so over sexualized these days.  Pop culture doesn’t help because they glamorize sex and hooking up in almost every show.

As a parent, I don’t want liberal teachers teaching MY kids to have sex for fun and whatever other things they push on kids these days.

I prefer to teach MY kids to be responsible for their actions and to be careful about having sex, not to be sex crazy and want to have sex with anything that moves.  Focus on school, focus on their goals, delayed gratification, personal responsibility, develop good character.

I would prefer them to have sex in the context of marriage but that would be their choice when they’re prove that they are mature enough to take personal responsibility for their actions.

I agree with you here. I want my children to be educated but I don't want an education that glorifies sexual activity outside of marriage either. Part of the problem is society but part of the problem is biology too.