Poll

What is your stance on abortion?

Under no circumstances allowed
29.6%
Under rape/incest
25.9%
Under Medical or Genetic issues.
7.4%
Personal choice
33.3%
Forced
3.7%
Total Members Voted
27

Abortion (Read 227302 times)

macsak

Re: Abortion
« Reply #780 on: June 27, 2021, 08:55:19 PM »
All I have are "notional" bullets then?   ???

shooting blanks...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #781 on: June 27, 2021, 09:54:56 PM »
Ok I was wrong.  I used the wrong term.  Cartridge. Until all the parts are assembled it does not function and is not considered ammo.

Same with fetuses until it's fully formed it's not a sentient human.

How does someone who doesn't even know the names of the parts pretend to lecture on the functionality?

Oh, yeah.  Feelings and beliefs > facts.

So, if assembly of parts is all that's required to offer the POSSIBILITY of functioning makes it ammunition, then having the basic physical parts to maintain life and POSSIBLY attain sentience is all a fetus needs to be counted as human.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #782 on: June 27, 2021, 10:29:10 PM »
How does someone who doesn't even know the names of the parts pretend to lecture on the functionality?

Oh, yeah.  Feelings and beliefs > facts.

So, if assembly of parts is all that's required to offer the POSSIBILITY of functioning makes it ammunition, then having the basic physical parts to maintain life and POSSIBLY attain sentience is all a fetus needs to be counted as human.

No parts kits are not full "objects".  A pile of parts does not make a magazine.  I also hope you are not saying 80%'s are full firearms because they are capable of turning into one.

Its not about possibilities its about what it is in the moment. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #783 on: June 27, 2021, 10:37:51 PM »
No parts kits are not full "objects".  A pile of parts does not make a magazine.  I also hope you are not saying 80%'s are full firearms because they are capable of turning into one.

Its not about possibilities its about what it is in the moment.

Way to move the goal posts.  Show me where I said "a pile" of anything -- other than your excrement.

A fetus is not a "pile of parts," but rather a developing child -- no different than a child developing from an infant to a toddler, of from an adolescent to an adult.  It's ll nothing more than various stages of development.

Why do you keep trying to say I'm saying things I never said?  Is it because you can't make an intelligent argument regarding what I actually did say?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #784 on: June 28, 2021, 06:18:55 AM »
Way to move the goal posts.  Show me where I said "a pile" of anything -- other than your excrement.

A fetus is not a "pile of parts," but rather a developing child -- no different than a child developing from an infant to a toddler, of from an adolescent to an adult.  It's ll nothing more than various stages of development.

Why do you keep trying to say I'm saying things I never said?  Is it because you can't make an intelligent argument regarding what I actually did say?

Ok assembly of parts. How's that, if semantics are important to you.   A 80% is a developing firearm to you then.  It's just in a early stage.   So you must be against that too eh.  Same concept brah.  Not sure how else to explain it to you. 

To me a fetus is no more than a 80% frame.  Sure it might eventually turn into something.  But as it is.  It's nothing special. 

aletheuo137

Re: Abortion
« Reply #785 on: June 28, 2021, 01:07:53 PM »
All I have are "notional" bullets then?   ???
Bullet points!

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aletheuo137

Re: Abortion
« Reply #786 on: July 13, 2021, 05:37:20 AM »
'God Bless Abortions': Christ of the Ozarks statue vandalized by activists

https://www.christianpost.com/news/christ-of-the-ozarks-statue-vandalized-by-activists-god-bless-abortions-banner.html

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oldfart

Re: Abortion
« Reply #787 on: July 13, 2021, 06:12:27 AM »
'God Bless Abortions': Christ of the Ozarks statue vandalized by activists

https://www.christianpost.com/news/christ-of-the-ozarks-statue-vandalized-by-activists-god-bless-abortions-banner.html

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Wow, those people that vandalized the statue are like little kids crying for attention.
No class.
Reminds me of the vandals that just shot the Hawaiian petroglyphs with paintballs.
No class.
Bachi  ga ataru
« Last Edit: July 13, 2021, 06:17:30 AM by oldfart »
What, Me Worry?

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #788 on: July 13, 2021, 06:15:09 AM »
Lol vandalized.   Looks like a banner was hung on the statue.....

aletheuo137

Re: Abortion
« Reply #789 on: July 15, 2021, 06:55:36 AM »
Biden's Brutal Budget for the Unborn

https://www.frc.org/updatearticle/20210528/brutal-budget

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omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #790 on: July 15, 2021, 08:29:29 AM »
Biden's Brutal Budget for the Unborn

https://www.frc.org/updatearticle/20210528/brutal-budget

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Boo Hoo

I don't want my tax dollars being used to prop up oil and gas subsidies, but do I get a say in it?  No.  That's life.  Ond of many things I wouldn't want my tax dollars spent on but have no "choice".

macsak

Re: Abortion
« Reply #791 on: July 15, 2021, 09:24:05 AM »
Boo Hoo

I don't want my tax dollars being used to prop up oil and gas subsidies, but do I get a say in it?  No.  That's life.  Ond of many things I wouldn't want my tax dollars spent on but have no "choice".

but you have a say in forcing people to stop smoking and drinking and driving?

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #792 on: July 15, 2021, 09:29:07 AM »
but you have a say in forcing people to stop smoking and drinking and driving?

Yup that's how laws work.   We elected politicians who implemented both those tax rules and health rules. Don't like it,  find new politicians and create laws you like.   That's how you have a say. 

macsak

Re: Abortion
« Reply #793 on: July 15, 2021, 09:36:57 AM »
Yup that's how laws work.   We elected politicians who implemented both those tax rules and health rules. Don't like it,  find new politicians and create laws you like.   That's how you have a say.

couldn't you do the same thing with oil and gas subsidies?
goalposts------>knocked over

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #794 on: July 15, 2021, 09:45:35 AM »
couldn't you do the same thing with oil and gas subsidies?
goalposts------>knocked over

Yup but it isn't that way so I can't really do anything but support those who are against it. 

Those who support it can say boo hoo. Lol

aletheuo137

Re: Abortion
« Reply #795 on: July 23, 2021, 05:54:56 AM »
NEW: Mississippi Attorney General Asks Supreme Court to Overturn Roe V. Wade

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/new-mississippi-attorney-general-asks-supreme-court-overturn-roe-v-wade/

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #796 on: July 23, 2021, 02:37:07 PM »
NEW: Mississippi Attorney General Asks Supreme Court to Overturn Roe V. Wade

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/new-mississippi-attorney-general-asks-supreme-court-overturn-roe-v-wade/

A bad decision is a bad decision, regardless of the perceived positive results.

The basis for the decision was totally bogus, since abortion was deemed a right based on privacy (my body, my choice), but so many other laws stand unchallenged that deprive individuals of that "right."  inconsistency is a good indicator that a law or judicial decision was incorrectly decided.

It was a purely political decision that had nothing to do with science.  in fact, the science has surpassed that which was available in the 1970s regarding fetal development.

As 2A supporters, we are reminded constantly the the Constitution is not perfect, and the 2nd Amendment can be changed if enough people agree it's no longer applicable as written.

The same is true of the Roe v. Wade decision. 

I hope the decision is reversed, and a more informed discussion occurs among the states, since the ball will once again be in their court.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: Abortion
« Reply #797 on: July 29, 2021, 12:19:14 PM »
Congress Republicans push Supreme Court to overturn historic ruling

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/congress-republicans-push-supreme-court-overturn-historic-ruling

The 128 members – 44 senators and 184 House members representing 40 states – made their request to the high court with an amicus brief, arguing Congress and the country are ready to make an updated decision regarding abortion, particularly the cutoff for when they can be performed on the pregnant mother.
“Congress and the States have shown that they are ready and able to address the issue in ways that reflect Americans’ varying viewpoints and are grounded in the science of fetal development and maternal health,” the brief said.


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omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #798 on: July 29, 2021, 12:44:49 PM »
Congress Republicans push Supreme Court to overturn historic ruling

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/congress-republicans-push-supreme-court-overturn-historic-ruling

The 128 members – 44 senators and 184 House members representing 40 states – made their request to the high court with an amicus brief, arguing Congress and the country are ready to make an updated decision regarding abortion, particularly the cutoff for when they can be performed on the pregnant mother.
“Congress and the States have shown that they are ready and able to address the issue in ways that reflect Americans’ varying viewpoints and are grounded in the science of fetal development and maternal health,” the brief said.


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I hope they all fail. 

Worst case scenario,  I live in Hawaii.   The liberal government while isn't perfect excels in the protection of abortion rights.  The republicans hopefully will learn over time what polices like that will do to their states.  Have fun with higher crime and taxes.

macsak

Re: Abortion
« Reply #799 on: July 29, 2021, 01:00:14 PM »
I hope they all fail. 

Worst case scenario,  I live in Hawaii.   The liberal government while isn't perfect excels in the protection of abortion rights.  The republicans hopefully will learn over time what polices like that will do to their states.  Have fun with higher crime and taxes.

you not justifying that 3.7 by saying that republican states have higher taxes and crime rates...