Poll

What is your stance on abortion?

Under no circumstances allowed
29.6%
Under rape/incest
25.9%
Under Medical or Genetic issues.
7.4%
Personal choice
33.3%
Forced
3.7%
Total Members Voted
27

Abortion (Read 227175 times)

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1040 on: September 06, 2021, 11:02:33 PM »
I’ve done no fact checking but if you can get charged for double homicide at conception then abortion after that point is murder.
How does that not follow logic ?
So charge them as such. (I mean the pregnant woman, doctor, nurses etc…)
Where’s  the attorney’s ?
Oh, wait. Technicalities.

So why are there no technicalities on those murder laws ?
Or are there ?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1041 on: September 07, 2021, 12:02:03 AM »
I’ve done no fact checking but if you can get charged for double homicide at conception then abortion after that point is murder.
How does that not follow logic ?
So charge them as such. (I mean the pregnant woman, doctor, nurses etc…)
Where’s  the attorney’s ?
Oh, wait. Technicalities.

So why are there no technicalities on those murder laws ?
Or are there ?

After you lied about me, I'm not answering another comment from you.

#NotFeedingThisLyingTroll
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1042 on: September 07, 2021, 06:58:03 AM »
Maybe I over hyped the religious card but the ones who make laws about it cite it.  And a majority of those who are religious believe in pro life.   While I would argue a majority of non religious are pro choice. 

changemyoil66

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1043 on: September 07, 2021, 09:25:47 AM »
I’ve done no fact checking but if you can get charged for double homicide at conception then abortion after that point is murder.
How does that not follow logic ?
So charge them as such. (I mean the pregnant woman, doctor, nurses etc…)
Where’s  the attorney’s ?
Oh, wait. Technicalities.

So why are there no technicalities on those murder laws ?
Or are there ?

I think the diff between murder and not murder is context.  A mother making the call or a robber shooting her stomach and killing the baby.  A doctor getting permission from a family member to pull the plug vs. some crackhead going room to room pulling plugs.  So to answer your question, IMO it's context.  This isn't a perfect answer either, there really is no way to 100% define anything or make it ok.  Each person has their own morals/ethics and they will have to live with the decision they make.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1044 on: September 07, 2021, 09:39:48 AM »
I think the diff between murder and not murder is context.  A mother making the call or a robber shooting her stomach and killing the baby.  A doctor getting permission from a family member to pull the plug vs. some crackhead going room to room pulling plugs.  So to answer your question, IMO it's context.  This isn't a perfect answer either, there really is no way to 100% define anything or make it ok.  Each person has their own morals/ethics and they will have to live with the decision they make.

Sometimes I guess I do agree with you.  That's the whole idea of being pro-choice.

macsak

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1045 on: September 07, 2021, 11:22:56 AM »
Sometimes I guess I do agree with you.  That's the whole idea of being pro-choice.

you belive that pro-life people don't subscribe to that idea?

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1046 on: September 07, 2021, 11:33:32 AM »
you belive that pro-life people don't subscribe to that idea?

Yup.   Not exactly a choice if your are forced to do something.  You can believe it's alive, or it's not.  Do what you gotta do to sleep at night.   Why do you care about someone else?   You can't catch babies, you don't gotta take care of them.   It affects your life 0%. So you have no say.   


Same to a father,   he has no say in the women keeping or not keeping the baby.   Though if the women goes against his wishes he should not be liable to take care of the child. 
« Last Edit: September 07, 2021, 01:14:49 PM by omnigun »

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1047 on: September 07, 2021, 12:17:51 PM »
After you lied about me, I'm not answering another comment from you.

Unfortunately the evidence got deleted by the mods.
You now have deniability.
But great result.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2021, 02:49:09 PM by aieahound »

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1048 on: September 07, 2021, 12:23:55 PM »
Same to a father,   he has no say in the women keeping or not keeping the baby.   Though of the women goes against his wishes he should not be liable to take care of the child.

Interesting point.
If the father of the unborn is in favor of an abortion and the woman doesn’t get one should he have to pay child support ?

And I know nothing is 100% defined. But at some point it does turn into murder.
Legally, factually, not morally.
In my mind it’s dichotomous. Either totally illegal or legal to point of murder. (24 weeks.)
And any double homicide laws for pregnant mothers should reflect the same.

With all the exceptions for rape, molestation, health risk etc.

But then again absolute ban is moral/religious. Not science.
And in many peoples minds, allowing it is immoral.
Do miscarriages go to the after life ?
I don’t know.
It’s a wild topic.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2021, 12:42:40 PM by aieahound »

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1049 on: September 07, 2021, 01:21:18 PM »
Interesting point.
If the father of the unborn is in favor of an abortion and the woman doesn’t get one should he have to pay child support ?

And I know nothing is 100% defined. But at some point it does turn into murder.
Legally, factually, not morally.
In my mind it’s dichotomous. Either totally illegal or legal to point of murder. (24 weeks.)
And any double homicide laws for pregnant mothers should reflect the same.

With all the exceptions for rape, molestation, health risk etc.

But then again absolute ban is moral/religious. Not science.
And in many peoples minds, allowing it is immoral.
Do miscarriages go to the after life ?
I don’t know.
It’s a wild topic.

We can make it simple,  right now we hide behind the gray zone.  Just need to make a new law.  If it isn't functioning like a parasite its alive.  I also agree,  people should not be charged for double homicide. They could make a new law that if victims of crime belong to a special class they get longer sentences.  For example pregnant females are more vulnerable.  Crimes against the old/young etc. Similar like they have hate crime laws.

Also you bring an interesting point, if there are exemptions it really is about "morals/religious"  if a rapist gets a 14yr old girl pregnant that baby is the "same" scientifically as 2 consenting adults creating a child.

Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1050 on: September 07, 2021, 03:44:52 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1435355161178820608

MSNBC’s Wallace: “Maybe Mueller will look into” whether Republican states are “colluding” with the Supreme Court against abortion




omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1051 on: September 07, 2021, 04:28:12 PM »
MFW mexico is more free than texas in this instance....

https://news.yahoo.com/mexico-supreme-court-rules-abortion-191835366.html

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1052 on: September 07, 2021, 04:32:17 PM »
MFW mexico is more free than texas in this instance....

https://news.yahoo.com/mexico-supreme-court-rules-abortion-191835366.html

LOL!  Whenever the Left wants something, it's about "FREEDOM!!"

When they want to oppose something, it's time to make it illegal, ban it, boycott it and "make their lives miserable."

"Freedom for me, but not for thee."

If you fall for these "Freedom" arguments, you're pretty stupid.  They sure don't seem to care about the civil rights and freedoms of developing human beings.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1053 on: September 07, 2021, 04:47:13 PM »
LOL!  Whenever the Left wants something, it's about "FREEDOM!!"

When they want to oppose something, it's time to make it illegal, ban it, boycott it and "make their lives miserable."

"Freedom for me, but not for thee."

If you fall for these "Freedom" arguments, you're pretty stupid.  They sure don't seem to care about the civil rights and freedoms of developing human beings.

Developing.  Is the key word.  You "develop" a meal.  I don't see you eating raw steak cause it could become a meal.  Or better yet you better be a vegan. 

Also the freedom I am very clear.  Been saying it thousands of times but apparently you dont get it .  You can't have freedom if it affects others freedom.  Can't force a mother to give birth.

drck1000

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1054 on: September 07, 2021, 04:50:09 PM »
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Your analogies need some work. . . JMHO

changemyoil66

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1055 on: September 07, 2021, 05:05:59 PM »
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a thing which is comparable to something else in significant respects.
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Your analogies need some work. . . JMHO
Many things of his need work.

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drck1000

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1056 on: September 07, 2021, 05:08:41 PM »
Many things of his need work.

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Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1057 on: September 08, 2021, 11:20:49 AM »
Santa Maria!

Massive earthquake hits Mexico on the day their Supreme Court decriminalized abortion


https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1435686242939723776

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1058 on: September 08, 2021, 02:09:24 PM »
Your analogies need some work. . . JMHO

Calling the comparisons he posts "analogies" is being generous.

His main reason for posting so many bad analogies is he doesn't understand the subject at all, much less enough to lecture on it.  You can't easily compare/contrast one thing with another unless you already understand the first thing.


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Abortion
« Reply #1059 on: September 08, 2021, 02:14:27 PM »
Calling the comparisons he posts "analogies" is being generous.

His main reason for posting so many bad analogies is he doesn't understand the subject at all, much less enough to lecture on it.  You can't easily compare/contrast one thing with another unless you already understand the first thing.
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There you go, being all rational. . .  ::)

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