Looks like a new tactic by the anti 2a people

If you know any new gun owners make them aware so they don't give them money that they could use against them/us.      

This is also a delicate subject.  Many of us are aware of the infringements and stuff the state does to us.  But we need to take baby steps depending on the attitude of the new gun owner.  We don't want to overrun them with info that might make them think we're some crazy gun guy.

Example:
My coworkers husband wants to buy guns due to the riots going on.  He found out he has to wait not only due to the back order from COVID, but also the HPD system.  It's been a month and she asked why it takes so long.  I was able to lightly dive into how HI is the only state with a registration of all firearms and the process pre COVID.  And now with COVID, it's 10x worst. She was pretty upset and amazed how stupid HI gun laws are.  I didn't even get into mag bans, to and from law, CCW/OC denials, etc... I'll wait until she ask.

This is also a delicate subject.  Many of us are aware of the infringements and stuff the state does to us.  But we need to take baby steps depending on the attitude of the new gun owner.  We don't want to overrun them with info that might make them think we're some crazy gun guy.

Example:
My coworkers husband wants to buy guns due to the riots going on.  He found out he has to wait not only due to the back order from COVID, but also the HPD system.  It's been a month and she asked why it takes so long.  I was able to lightly dive into how HI is the only state with a registration of all firearms and the process pre COVID.  And now with COVID, it's 10x worst. She was pretty upset and amazed how stupid HI gun laws are.  I didn't even get into mag bans, to and from law, CCW/OC denials, etc... I'll wait until she ask.

This 100%.  We want more democrat gun owners.  Fuck making guns a republican only thing.

This 100%.  We want more democrat gun owners.  Fuck making guns a republican only thing.

isn't it hypocritical that about a week ago you were voting for anti gun Biden?
You've emerged as one of the most divisive posters here recently. As you can see the off topics you presented has only generated animosity towards you but you continue with your arguments.

This 100%.  We want more democrat gun owners.  Fuck making guns a republican only thing.

Since HI is majority DNC, and we do have a high per capita gun ownership rate, I'm going to assume that many gun owners in HI are DNC.

I would say we want more anti gun people to be more pro 2a.  Party doesn't matter.  Many are seeing the light due to HI's lack of preventing crime and riots/looting going on on the mainland.

isn't it hypocritical that about a week ago you were voting for anti gun Biden?
You've emerged as one of the most divisive posters here recently. As you can see the off topics you presented has only generated animosity towards you but you continue with your arguments.

Yes I was thinking of voting for him.  Didn't in the end, but as strongly as I believe in the 2nd amendment there's more to life than guns.  I got other values too.  Maybe I am doing this wrong, I am trying to better the gun community and the world.  I have no ill will. Just trying to do what I think is correct.  I have strong opinions on things and am unapologetic about that.  If you are offended I am sorry.  But I fight for what I believe in my own way.  Don't get me wrong I fight for gun rights to democrats ALL the time.  Trying to talk to them about gun rights and immigration causes just as much scorn as abortion and lgbt here.  They probably hate me too for some of my opinions that lean republican.  If I have to be hated to improve the world, so be it.  I try and get along with everyone I can.  But I won't bend my opinions to do so.   We can disagree on things and still be friends. 

isn't it hypocritical that about a week ago you were voting for anti gun Biden?
You've emerged as one of the most divisive posters here recently. As you can see the off topics you presented has only generated animosity towards you but you continue with your arguments.

He's a masochist.

He's a masochist.

Lol no, opposite actually.  But not gonna lie, come from family of lawyers I do like to argue.

This is also a delicate subject.  Many of us are aware of the infringements and stuff the state does to us.  But we need to take baby steps depending on the attitude of the new gun owner.  We don't want to overrun them with info that might make them think we're some crazy gun guy.

Example:
My coworkers husband wants to buy guns due to the riots going on.  He found out he has to wait not only due to the back order from COVID, but also the HPD system.  It's been a month and she asked why it takes so long.  I was able to lightly dive into how HI is the only state with a registration of all firearms and the process pre COVID.  And now with COVID, it's 10x worst. She was pretty upset and amazed how stupid HI gun laws are.  I didn't even get into mag bans, to and from law, CCW/OC denials, etc... I'll wait until she ask.

I hope you do so after you’ve let your head breathe after loosening the tinfoil helmet.

I have strong opinions on things and am unapologetic about that. 

See, that’s the thing. You have strong opinions, which is fine. You are the “I know what I know, don’t confuse me with the facts” type that is all over, but especially with firearms.

Then you get caught talking out of your arse and don’t want to back down. That doesn’t “help” anyone. Yeah, you may think you are “helping”, but like your strong beliefs, they end up turning people off that otherwise might be open.

With respect to 2a, understand that there are many of us that have been at this for years, decades, more. So while new blood is good, your “I know better than all of you” approach is not well received.

Overall, recommend you cool your jets a bit and listen more than you speak.

Yes I was thinking of voting for him.  Didn't in the end, but as strongly as I believe in the 2nd amendment there's more to life than guns.  I got other values too.  Maybe I am doing this wrong, I am trying to better the gun community and the world.  I have no ill will. Just trying to do what I think is correct.  I have strong opinions on things and am unapologetic about that.  If you are offended I am sorry.  But I fight for what I believe in my own way.  Don't get me wrong I fight for gun rights to democrats ALL the time.  Trying to talk to them about gun rights and immigration causes just as much scorn as abortion and lgbt here.  They probably hate me too for some of my opinions that lean republican.  If I have to be hated to improve the world, so be it.  I try and get along with everyone I can.  But I won't bend my opinions to do so.   We can disagree on things and still be friends.

Don't mess with OGs son...
ARs are still better than AKs. It's always a good day

See, that’s the thing. You have strong opinions, which is fine. You are the “I know what I know, don’t confuse me with the facts” type that is all over, but especially with firearms.

Then you get caught talking out of your arse and don’t want to back down. That doesn’t “help” anyone. Yeah, you may think you are “helping”, but like your strong beliefs, they end up turning people off that otherwise might be open.

With respect to 2a, understand that there are many of us that have been at this for years, decades, more. So while new blood is good, your “I know better than all of you” approach is not well received.

Overall, recommend you cool your jets a bit and listen more than you speak.

I have adapted to some of my opinions based on some facts people here showed.  I am not that stubborn.  But some of the "facts" you say are really just opinions.  Sometimes I feel you guys do the same thing you accuse me of.  But its harder to see that from your position.  As we are both opinionated. 

I have adapted to some of my opinions based on some facts people here showed.  I am not that stubborn.  But some of the "facts" you say are really just opinions.  Sometimes I feel you guys do the same thing you accuse me of.  But its harder to see that from your position.  As we are both opinionated.

Ok, go back and cite where I argued “facts”. And where I actually cited something and you didn’t interject your opinion.

I have questioned what you think you know and you didn’t respond. About rail effectiveness, sustainability facts of hazardous materials post “green” technologies. Maybe others. If anything, my opinion is that you tend to go off half cocked based on what you think you know, but are so stuck in trying to prove you’re right that you are closed to alternatives.

I have adapted to some of my opinions based on some facts people here showed.  I am not that stubborn.  But some of the "facts" you say are really just opinions.  Sometimes I feel you guys do the same thing you accuse me of.  But its harder to see that from your position.  As we are both opinionated.

this didn't go well with us at all

I am curious to everyone's voting this year.  This poll is mostly anonymous from what I gather.  Personally I am voting Biden this year.  Trump lost my vote, I was going to none vote but fuck it the last week pushed me over the edge.  I voted for Trump last year.  This is going to be my first democrat vote ever I think. 

Recently the topic of silent majority vs vocal minority came up, while I doubt its the case on this forum who knows.

Edit*

Voted by mail.  Ended up voting for libertarian.

after all the evidence from Biden saying that he will take away your guns you were still adamant with voting for him because you didn't like Trump. You weren't doing the PRO 2A community any favors and certainly didn't generate any positive views of your presence.

Ok, go back and cite where I argued “facts”. And where I actually cited something and you didn’t interject your opinion.

I have questioned what you think you know and you didn’t respond. About rail effectiveness, sustainability facts of hazardous materials post “green” technologies. Maybe others. If anything, my opinion is that you tend to go off half cocked based on what you think you know, but are so stuck in trying to prove you’re right that you are closed to alternatives.

I unfortunately don't have enough time to dig back in the past.  But I will comment here about what you listed.  I don't know enough facts on rail and sustainability to comment, so I didn't.  I am not an engineer and have not done enough research to argue.  Regarding most green tech and climate change,  I instead pivoted on that subject that its about direction and general thoughts, because I know the underlying tech and semantics are too complex for me to fully understand right now.   What I do know is that earth is being effected by humans, its not good and climate change is real. Green and eco friendly market is the future towards fixing that.  It might not be perfect but its a good direction.  So far I got a mixture of climate change isn't real cause some studies were wrong and we are not in an iceage etc.  To proof that some green tech is bad for the environment but with no alternatives. 

On things like abortion I try to argue on facts because I have done research.  And freedom too, both research and experience.

this didn't go well with us at all
after all the evidence from Biden saying that he will take away your guns you were still adamant with voting for him because you didn't like Trump. You weren't doing the PRO 2A community any favors and certainly didn't generate any positive views of your presence.

I make mistakes. Only human.  Perhaps I was incorrect but I still believe there's more to life than guns.  But perhaps I lost too much focus.  I tried to show that there's more than 2A, but perhaps a 2a community wasn't exact the perfect place.  As bad as Biden is there are still things I agree with him on.  Just like as horrible as I think trump is there's stuff I agree with him. You guys helped change my opinion as I came to certain realizations.  It was 2 way road and I don't regret a thing.  I voted 3rd party and I am satisfied with the outcome and end result.

Still don't like trump. Haven't been convinced of that.

I unfortunately don't have enough time to dig back in the past.  But I will comment here about what you listed.  I don't know enough facts on rail and sustainability to comment, so I didn't.  I am not an engineer and have not done enough research to argue.  Regarding most green tech and climate change,  I instead pivoted on that subject that its about direction and general thoughts, because I know the underlying tech and semantics are too complex for me to fully understand right now.   

SNIP

On things like abortion I try to argue on facts because I have done research.  And freedom too, both research and experience.

OK, now we’re getting somewhere. That you aren’t an engineer and didn’t do enough research was apparent, but you went into the arguments like you knew it all and had all the answers, and frankly was condescending with your “you do know that”. That’s why I called you out on those things, well, because while I have a bit of experience in those topics, it was certainly enough to know you were way out of your swim lane and trying to talk down to others. Personally, I think you’re not far off, just that the way you approach arguments is pretty 

Take abortion or Cuties thing, I didn’t know much. I wasn’t arguing facts with you. I was pointing out my opinion that your logic of “no tangible harm not really harm, therefore all good” was faulty. That just because you believed things were all good, you couldn’t see why others would have an objection.

I make mistakes. Only human.  Perhaps I was incorrect but I still believe there's more to life than guns.  But perhaps I lost too much focus.  I tried to show that there's more than 2A, but perhaps a 2a community wasn't exact the perfect place.  As bad as Biden is there are still things I agree with him on.  Just like as horrible as I think trump is there's stuff I agree with him. You guys helped change my opinion as I came to certain realizations.  It was 2 way road and I don't regret a thing.  I voted 3rd party and I am satisfied with the outcome and end result.

Still don't like trump. Haven't been convinced of that.

of course there's more to life than guns. Guns are tools, no different than the Dewalt drill driver in your garage, except that it is a right of the people to own them. This isn't the one all universal forum for everything in life. This is a focused forum on the Second Amendment.
You presented yourself as an anti gun gun owner by stating that you will vote for the Biden

of course there's more to life than guns. Guns are tools, no different than the Dewalt drill driver in your garage, except that it is a right of the people to own them. This isn't the one all universal forum for everything in life. This is a focused forum on the Second Amendment.
You presented yourself as an anti gun gun owner

I didn’t think he was anti 2a, though my OPINION was that his views were all over and was willing to sacrifice 2a rights for his beliefs.

Want to get into contentious forums? Try check out forums on swords, chainsaws, and car detailing just to name a few. Those fuzzers are freaking amazing. Think 9 vs 45 gets heated, that’s nothing over Stihl vs Husqvarna