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The problem here is at nobody takes anything seriously-- I was working when the last tsunami warning was issued, and I kid you not, there were people waiting at bus stops with their luggage, thinking that the bus would come for them. Mind you, this was about half an hour to when the tsunami was supposed to hit us. The only thing people here seem to care about is getting gas, beer, then bottled water. They are the "zombies" we might see ourselves fighting, if you ask me. I'm still surprised that people think the government will save them after how badly Katrina was handled. They don't seem to realize that the government stays in control by keeping the people right where they want them, and that isn't by making them independent and self-sufficient...

I'm still surprised that people think the government will save them after how badly Katrina was handled. They don't seem to realize that the government stays in control by keeping the people right where they want them, and that isn't by making them independent and self-sufficient...

I am not surprised as these are the same people that re-elected Obama.

Some liberals (say Bill Maher) are finally waking up, sort of, to their stupidity in blindly supporting their ideals.  Bill was whining about taxes being too high in California.  DUH!  What does he think the redistribution of wealth is about?

The Boston Tea Party was the culmination of the colonies' protest of taxation without representation.  We are getting there people!  We already have taxation without representation and the frustration is building.

 

The problem here is at nobody takes anything seriously-- I was working when the last tsunami warning was issued, and I kid you not, there were people waiting at bus stops with their luggage, thinking that the bus would come for them. Mind you, this was about half an hour to when the tsunami was supposed to hit us. The only thing people here seem to care about is getting gas, beer, then bottled water. They are the "zombies" we might see ourselves fighting, if you ask me. I'm still surprised that people think the government will save them after how badly Katrina was handled. They don't seem to realize that the government stays in control by keeping the people right where they want them, and that isn't by making them independent and self-sufficient...

It's sad really. A personal example is an extended family member visited my home and saw my water storage and was like "wow, that's alot of water!  What are you a doomsday prepper?"    Answer: No, I just hope that I won't need handouts if an emergency situation arises.  I'm think the majority of people have the attitude that things will just work out without having plan, including my own family...

It's sad really. A personal example is an extended family member visited my home and saw my water storage and was like "wow, that's alot of water!  What are you a doomsday prepped?"

Yeah, I hate how that show has basically made anyone who prepares for any kind of disaster look like a nut job. Granted, there are some nuts on that show, but when you run into someone from New Jersey or a housewife from NYC, you don't automatically assume they're like the people from the reality show-- but tell people why you're buying extra bottled water, and they automatically think you're building a bunker too. What ever happened to the days where being a good ol' Boy Scout was a good thing? Did all the real men stop being born after John Wayne died?

-Edit- And on topic, I'm preparing either for a natural disaster or economic collapse turning welfare recipients into nasty neighbors. Maybe I should invest in a boat...

Yeah, I hate how that show has basically made anyone who prepares for any kind of disaster look like a nut job. Granted, there are some nuts on that show, but when you run into someone from New Jersey or a housewife from NYC, you don't automatically assume they're like the people from the reality show-- but tell people why you're buying extra bottled water, and they automatically think you're building a bunker too. What ever happened to the days where being a good ol' Boy Scout was a good thing? Did all the real men stop being born after John Wayne died?

-Edit- And on topic, I'm preparing either for a natural disaster or economic collapse turning welfare recipients into nasty neighbors. Maybe I should invest in a boat...

If nothing else I feel confident that I am not like the people on that show because I would never show all my preps on national TV.

Govt. stops paying welfare / social programs and the .gov-dependent social class will riot. Those are real zombies there.

I'd say the most probably would not be anything apocalyptical or zombies, or anything along those lines. More likey to be a cascade of things which alone are minor to inconvienient but compounded would escalate to something short of martial law. Take gas prices. Let's say some middle eastern oil producing nation went jihad causing the price of gas to go up to $20 a gallon in the matter of days. It wont hurt you only at the pump. Everything is imported here. Food, medical suplies, anything and everything. Price to ship those things which are needed for life now increase exponentially to the point where 90% of the population can't afford the basic things. You thing the mad dash for guns and ammo was crazy in November was chaotic. Imagine what that would be like for food and water. Even if it was only for a week or two. The island of Oahu is only so big and has only so many supplies.

Hmmm maybe another revolution??

anything could happen.  first and foremost is we live on islands out in the middle of pacific ocean and need to prep accordingly.  storms and such.  people that don't understand that basic premise are the ones who will be lined up outside of FEMA camps begging for water and scraps to survive.   here on O'ahu, just one look at the freeways during rush hour should be another clue as to the masses of people to support.  or not to :evil  Agenda 21 anyone?  haha

Hawaii needs to be more self reliant instead of always depending on imports.  Support local farmers and farming! 

Overall, America needs to start producing again instead of always importing from other countries.

We need more farms

Hawaii needs to be more self reliant instead of always depending on imports.  Support local farmers and farming! 

I think we traded that for more housing

anything could happen.  first and foremost is we live on islands out in the middle of pacific ocean and need to prep accordingly.  storms and such.  people that don't understand that basic premise are the ones who will be lined up outside of FEMA camps begging for water and scraps to survive.   here on O'ahu, just one look at the freeways during rush hour should be another clue as to the masses of people to support.  or not to :evil  Agenda 21 anyone?  haha

Did we not have a surplus to be used in case of another hurricane?  I heard a few years ago during Lingle admin we had a rainy day fund for such emergencies.  Rather use that than beg to the Feds who will just confiscate our weapons in exchange for food handouts at the nearest FEMA camp.

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I wonder how much is actually in the Hurricane Emergency Fund, now.

My guess as to most probable "doomsday" event fo Hawaii: pandemic flu from Asia.

Some kind of H1N1 plus H5N1 concoction with 60% mortaliry rate.

The Hawaii Hurricane Relief Fund has been 'raided' so many times, I doubt there's much left to cover anything. They need to put the money back or refund it back to those who paid into it.

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Here on BI most of the folks I know have a decent stash of supplies, water, etc. There is a routine when the tsunami warning hits, too: it varies but its pretty much top off your household supplies (are you sure you have enough TP?) and then fill all the cars. Costco and all the gas stations get pretty busy.

Not too many looking for handouts here. Those who aren't prepared to some degree are generally newcomers. For most it is only an emergency if they aren't prepared.

And, seriously, be careful knocking the FEMA folks. They really are here to help and the people who handle emergencies here in Region 9 are NOT AT ALL the same clowns who screwed up Katrina. Hawaii has the best Civil Defense crew in the world. Fact. And those are local - State and County - agencies. Comes from having plenty of practice. They WILL do their best to get things back up and running if they can. The government here may be screwy in the day to day but when the going gets tough they KNOW how to respond well.

We do need more farms. We didn't just trade farms for housing, we traded them for grocery stores. Hawaii used to EXPORT food - and I'm not talking about sugar and pineapple. Hawaii fed the San Francisco gold rush. Redwood lumber came over on the ships and cattle went back. Shippers raked it in both ways. But as the population grew here and the West Coast developed its own food production, the shippers needed something else to make money on so they became the grocers. They systematically destroyed the fish ponds, taro lo'i and potato fields and replaced them with sugar and pineapple. Voila: the very model of western imperialism. Destroy the local food source, use the hungry populace as cheap labor and soak all that money back by selling them everything they need.

This is still the case. You can't simply have more farms without seriously upsetting someone's apple cart. From an emergency standpoint more local, diversified food production is a no brainer. From the county and State standpoint we don't need food, we need commercial scale agriculture, usually monocropping. That's taxable at a significant enough level to make a difference.

The Big Island alone could feed the rest of the state IF we don't assume meat as the primary source of protein. If we do, then the BI, Maui and Kaui could probably handle the protein needs (and I do mean needs) and we'd have plenty of additional foods to export.

But none of that holds a candle, tax-wise, to development and high real estate values. From the State viewpoint more farms is a revenue loss. Unless you're talking GMO farms. That's commercial scale and provides a fair income for the State. Monsanto is also the biggest funder for UH and has been for decades. Money talks. That's the only language the budget folks understand.

But that is also why our Civil Defense is so good. It is a huge priority to get things back to normal FAST so that the tourists can comfortably spend their money here so Civil Defense is fairly well funded and equipped.

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