I ignored everything else because it was all predicated on the first statement -- that your parents, by your definition, can be called your creator.

Everything after that was based on nonsense.

If I thought any of these new questions were serious, I'd engage you.  Since they are more obviously just trolling attempts, forget it.  "Do they all get different rights?"  If we went with your stupid definition that parents are your creator, then that would be the case.

"Creator".  Not "Creators."  Singular.

Then the constitution is a bunch of contradictions.  If rights are given by a creator that isnt specified yet at the same time rights are guaranteed to citizens regardless if they are American.  But only if they believe in a creator.  But doesn't say what if they don't believe in a creator. How does that even work out?

Why is it that every time you get philosophical I start to hear marching music of the Chinese Communist Party playing in the background?

Then the constitution is a bunch of contradictions.  If rights are given by a creator that isnt specified yet at the same time rights are guaranteed to citizens regardless if they are American.  But only if they believe in a creator.  But doesn't say what if they don't believe in a creator. How does that even work out?

Are you drunk, or just obtuse?

Our Creator (substitute Nature or any other unoffensive, nonreligious source) endows certain rights to individuals.

The US Government is constrained by the Constitution from violating these rights.

Nowhere are rights "guaranteed."  That's why the Constitution says the gov't has a duty to provide for the common defense (military).  That's also why the 2nd Amendment exists -- to allow the individual to guarantee his own rights.  Example:  Someone in front of you wants to kill you, but you have a right to life.  Is the government going to guarantee that right for you?  Or is it going to protect you from punishment if you justifiably defend yourself (Hawaii State oppression notwithstanding)?

Your rights are yours to exercise, but they are also yours to protect.

Sad that these basic tenants of freedom and liberty go untaught in schools and families.

"Omni"Gun did you want to speak to Republicans about this topic?

"Omni"Gun did you want to speak to Republicans about this topic?

I would if it would have any impact but I doubt the national republican leadership would listen.

Are you drunk, or just obtuse?

Our Creator (substitute Nature or any other unoffensive, nonreligious source) endows certain rights to individuals.

The US Government is constrained by the Constitution from violating these rights.

Nowhere are rights "guaranteed."  That's why the Constitution says the gov't has a duty to provide for the common defense (military).  That's also why the 2nd Amendment exists -- to allow the individual to guarantee his own rights.  Example:  Someone in front of you wants to kill you, but you have a right to life.  Is the government going to guarantee that right for you?  Or is it going to protect you from punishment if you justifiably defend yourself (Hawaii State oppression notwithstanding)?

Your rights are yours to exercise, but they are also yours to protect.

Sad that these basic tenants of freedom and liberty go untaught in schools and families.

Alright this makes far more sense.  So are you saying that religion has no part in government? 

Why is it that every time you get philosophical I start to hear marching music of the Chinese Communist Party playing in the background?

You do know that I dislike china and its policies greatly right?  And I am highly anti communist...  I am an absolute freedomist.   Hence pro choice, gun rights, etc.

I would if it would have any impact but I doubt the national republican leadership would listen.

Discussing this on a local pro 2A gun forum isn't having much of an impact either
I can arrange for a local discussion. Let's start there. PM me your contact info and I can set up a venue for your discussion with the local party.

Discussing this on a local pro 2A gun forum isn't having much of an impact either
I can arrange for a local discussion. Let's start there. PM me your contact info and I can set up a venue for your discussion with the local party.

Hmm this sounds futile but I am willing to give it a shot.

Something to consider as well is that suicide and drug overdose rates are also through the roof and we just had a summer of riots and social unrest, making it quite apparent that government is not very good at solving certain kinds of problems. The study is from 2019, but as we know it is a different world now, and it would not surprise me if a whole lot of people start flooding back into church looking for answers.

Then the constitution is a bunch of contradictions.  If rights are given by a creator that isnt specified yet at the same time rights are guaranteed to citizens regardless if they are American.  But only if they believe in a creator.  But doesn't say what if they don't believe in a creator. How does that even work out?

The entire Point of a “creator” is to reinforce the idea that rights cannot be taken away by a person. Think “higher power” if you are uncomfortable with creator because it’s essentially the same thing. Whether that higher power is “god” or the universe itself is irrelevant to the point.

Alright this makes far more sense.  So are you saying that religion has no part in government?

Nope.

You do know that I dislike china and its policies greatly right?  And I am highly anti communist...  I am an absolute freedomist.   Hence pro choice, gun rights, etc.

China is also "pro-choice," but they use the more accurate label:  Pro-Abortion.

The entire Point of a “creator” is to reinforce the idea that rights cannot be taken away by a person. Think “higher power” if you are uncomfortable with creator because it’s essentially the same thing. Whether that higher power is “god” or the universe itself is irrelevant to the point.

The Party is what a communist considers the only legitimate higher power, so it is perfectly reasonable for them to decide who gets rights and who does not. That is the hidden danger in omni logic.

The entire Point of a “creator” is to reinforce the idea that rights cannot be taken away by a person. Think “higher power” if you are uncomfortable with creator because it’s essentially the same thing. Whether that higher power is “god” or the universe itself is irrelevant to the point.

Yes.

The framers intentionally used the term "Creator" vs. God in the documents to avoid a religious squabble between different religions.  Almost all religions have a Creator, whether it is their own, personal Creator who made them, or the Creator of the Universe and the Earth. 

Regardless of what you believe, you must believe in an authority above man to believe that we have freedoms and rights that supersedes the authority of any man or government at a fundamental level.  Otherwise, we all become property of other men -- property of the state means we are property of the men who created and run the state,

Four in ten millennials now say they are religiously unaffiliated, according to the Pew Research Center. In fact, millennials (those between the ages of 23 and 38) are now almost as likely to say they have no religion as they are to identify as Christian.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/millennials-are-leaving-religion-and-not-coming-back/

I wonder what this will do to the republican party in the long run. I look forward to the changes in the political system in the future. .

How do you think it will affect the Rep party?  You're "the future".

Yes.

The framers intentionally used the term "Creator" vs. God in the documents to avoid a religious squabble between different religions.  Almost all religions have a Creator, whether it is their own, personal Creator who made them, or the Creator of the Universe and the Earth. 

Regardless of what you believe, you must believe in an authority above man to believe that we have freedoms and rights that supersedes the authority of any man or government at a fundamental level.  Otherwise, we all become property of other men -- property of the state means we are property of the men who created and run the state,

You pretty well nailed it!
Good job.

You pretty well nailed it!
Good job.

Thanks.

I learned this in school and in Boy Scouts.  It's scary-sad that the young people today trust the Internet to feed them what they need to know rather than study what those who MADE history actually did and why they did it a certain way.

Teaching them that the country is just an evil Empire started by rich, old, White men is not the best way to educate our citizens and future leaders. 

Interesting views, but this only strengthens my argument that religion doesn't belong in our republic.  And that its the downfall of Republicans they are getting to religious for this country.  They are dooming themselves.  And I want to help because I dislike democrats just as much. 

Interesting views, but this only strengthens my argument that religion doesn't belong in our republic.  And that its the downfall of Republicans they are getting to religious for this country.  They are dooming themselves.  And I want to help because I dislike democrats just as much.

Our Republic is made of PEOPLE.

People come with Religious principles.

People come with all kinds of values, ideologies and beliefs.

You can't segregate religion and government any more than you can prevent people who don't understand basic economics from government.  When people are elected, you get the whole package.  We don't brainwash them to get rid of aspects we illogically fear.