Oregon legalizes drugs (Read 11005 times)

ren

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omnigun

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2020, 09:54:40 PM »
Good idea. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2020, 09:58:40 PM »
Good idea.

When the government starts legalizing hard drugs, they are signaling they are up to something.

When religion is no longer the opiate of the masses, they have to allow actual opiates.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2020, 10:14:44 PM »
Deeds Not Words

omnigun

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2020, 10:18:56 PM »
When the government starts legalizing hard drugs, they are signaling they are up to something.

When religion is no longer the opiate of the masses, they have to allow actual opiates.

More like we can stop putting people in jail for having tiny amounts of drugs. Stop wasting endless money. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2020, 10:22:53 PM »
More like we can stop putting people in jail for having tiny amounts of drugs. Stop wasting endless money.

Spin it however you must, but when YOUR future teen overdoses on heroin, you'll be asking why something so lethal isn't being controlled by government.

Sometimes a "tiny amount" is enough to kill.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2020, 06:08:29 AM »
The Zombie Apocalypse has started in Oregon.

If you think Covid-19 spreads fast.......
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

omnigun

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2020, 06:45:15 AM »
Spin it however you must, but when YOUR future teen overdoses on heroin, you'll be asking why something so lethal isn't being controlled by government.

Sometimes a "tiny amount" is enough to kill.

Jailing users doesn't really stop drugs....they can still jail dealers.   You know the actual problem.

groveler

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2020, 06:59:30 AM »
Evolution is a theory I don't find very compelling,
BUT Natural selection seems to be a real thing.
I think that Fentanyl should be readily available to every
adult in America. Cheap and sold like candy.


macsak

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2020, 07:12:37 AM »
Jailing users doesn't really stop drugs....they can still jail dealers.   You know the actual problem.

they passed a law just like this in seattle
the dealers just make sure they have less than the legal limit on them when they are on the street
after they make a sale, they get more, but still less than the legal limit
homelessness and drug abuse got worse (and this was before covid)...

ren

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2020, 07:46:39 AM »
drug use disqualifies one from owning firearms
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drck1000

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2020, 07:53:38 AM »
they passed a law just like this in seattle
the dealers just make sure they have less than the legal limit on them when they are on the street
after they make a sale, they get more, but still less than the legal limit
homelessness and drug abuse got worse (and this was before covid)...
That kind of stance comes from folks who form their opinions and beliefs without knowledge of the situation or taking the time to look at the facts. Basically a stance from a position of ignorance.

RSN172

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2020, 08:10:57 AM »
It is all.about money for state coffers.
Happily living in Puna

tillamook

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2020, 08:23:53 AM »
Spin it however you must, but when YOUR future teen overdoses on heroin, you'll be asking why something so lethal isn't being controlled by government.

Sometimes a "tiny amount" is enough to kill.

Interesting being a physician and I had to pay for a course and pay for an additional DEA license to prescribe suboxone for at most 35 patients a year.   Suboxone being a medication that can treat opiate addiction and pain and is much safer by far than opiates.   

So in order to treat addiction in this country I have to pay out of pocket to do extra training and get an extra license to prescribe a much safer medication to a few patients.  But if I was to prescribe fentanyl or oxycontin or morphine, it is literally sky the limit. 

Almost if the government wants me to continue to prescribe the highly addictive, dangerous pain meds and keep people addicted for the rest of their lives paying drug companies rather than get people off their addictions. 

my partner had his phone bugged by the DEA and had them send in officers as fake patients trying to trip him up and catch him doing something wrong with that 35 patient suboxone license.  They didnt find anything wrong but he refuses to deal with opiate addiction now because he might have his phones bugged again. 

The government isnt saving us from heroin or opiates or anything else.  We need to quit assuming they have us in their best interests. 

ren

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2020, 08:31:31 AM »
Interesting being a physician and I had to pay for a course and pay for an additional DEA license to prescribe suboxone for at most 35 patients a year.   Suboxone being a medication that can treat opiate addiction and pain and is much safer by far than opiates.   

So in order to treat addiction in this country I have to pay out of pocket to do extra training and get an extra license to prescribe a much safer medication to a few patients.  But if I was to prescribe fentanyl or oxycontin or morphine, it is literally sky the limit. 

Almost if the government wants me to continue to prescribe the highly addictive, dangerous pain meds and keep people addicted for the rest of their lives paying drug companies rather than get people off their addictions. 

my partner had his phone bugged by the DEA and had them send in officers as fake patients trying to trip him up and catch him doing something wrong with that 35 patient suboxone license.  They didnt find anything wrong but he refuses to deal with opiate addiction now because he might have his phones bugged again. 

The government isnt saving us from heroin or opiates or anything else.  We need to quit assuming they have us in their best interests.

interesting .
What is your medical opinion on the govt legalizing previously illegal narcotics?
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changemyoil66

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2020, 08:59:00 AM »
still schedule 1 narcotics on the federal level.  So anyone who owns a firearm cannot consume.

The plan should be also the state should allow people to make them.  This drives out the drug trade industry.  So cartels and gangs lose money in OR and leave.

omnigun

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2020, 09:19:48 AM »
still schedule 1 narcotics on the federal level.  So anyone who owns a firearm cannot consume.

The plan should be also the state should allow people to make them.  This drives out the drug trade industry.  So cartels and gangs lose money in OR and leave.

Yes cartels and gangs are the issue and should be the focus.  Not the users.  Locking up users will just have someone replace them.  Waste money and destroy lives.  If someone wants to do drugs that's their body.

robtmc

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2020, 09:26:47 AM »
We need to quit assuming they have us in their best interests.
Never did, and the DEA is the scum of fed agencies like the BATF.  Goons too stupid for the more intelligent agencies.

groveler

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2020, 09:38:41 AM »
interesting .
What is your medical opinion on the govt legalizing previously illegal narcotics?
I'm not a doctor.  I'm an engineer.
I have had members of my family that were full blown heroin addicts,
Pakalolo, tobacco, and alcohol addicted.
some are dead due to drugs. I've seen the stuff up close.
I still maintain that the government has NO business telling adults
what kind of drugs they can or cannot have or use.
I emphasize ADULTS.
We pay doctors for their professional judgement in our care,
letting the government interfere with that is STUPID!

omnigun

Re: Oregon legalizes drugs
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2020, 09:51:24 AM »
I'm not a doctor.  I'm an engineer.
I have had members of my family that were full blown heroin addicts,
Pakalolo, tobacco, and alcohol addicted.
some are dead due to drugs. I've seen the stuff up close.
I still maintain that the government has NO business telling adults
what kind of drugs they can or cannot have or use.
I emphasize ADULTS.
We pay doctors for their professional judgement in our care,
letting the government interfere with that is STUPID!

I have to agree, freedom.