Yes cartels and gangs are the issue and should be the focus.  Not the users.  Locking up users will just have someone replace them.  Waste money and destroy lives.  If someone wants to do drugs that's their body.

Also if someone ODing and they're obviously a drug user (needle marks on arms), then let them.  Instead they get Narcan and free hospital stay cause they won't pay for it.  And in the mean time, millions with diabetes pay for insulin.

It will be an interesting experiment, especially when it comes to robbing the cartels of revenue. Oregon does not seem to be run that well, though, so most likely there will be a mass exodus of the cities as they descend into crime infested hellholes.

Also if someone ODing and they're obviously a drug user (needle marks on arms), then let them.  Instead they get Narcan and free hospital stay cause they won't pay for it.  And in the mean time, millions with diabetes pay for insulin.

I agree, though this isn't politically correct by any sense lol

I agree, though this isn't politically correct by any sense lol

True, but a drug addict will rarely get help and stay clean.  In the mean time, steal, harm, and destroy property.  So screw ODing druggy.  My 2cents.

Also if someone ODing and they're obviously a drug user (needle marks on arms), then let them.  Instead they get Narcan and free hospital stay cause they won't pay for it.  And in the mean time, millions with diabetes pay for insulin.

You don't know real druggies.
They inject in the Vagina, in between the toes all sorts of places
you won't normally look.  Rat tracks on the arms is dead people walking.

interesting .
What is your medical opinion on the govt legalizing previously illegal narcotics?

Since I used to live in Portland and would not go back under any circumstance I'd be happy if they built a 50 ft wall around Portland, delivered unlimited meth and heroin and let it simmer for a few months.   I'd make sure to invite everyone from Salem and also all the leadership of the Oregon Health plan. 

But I guess that is not really a medical opinion.   

Since I used to live in Portland and would not go back under any circumstance I'd be happy if they built a 50 ft wall around Portland, delivered unlimited meth and heroin and let it simmer for a few months.   I'd make sure to invite everyone from Salem and also all the leadership of the Oregon Health plan. 

But I guess that is not really a medical opinion.

so...bad govt decision?

so...bad govt decision?

The Oregon state government could take the best looking plan on paper and ruin it.   When they made the C&R FFL illegal I knew that there was no trusting any of them.

Just like being as friendly and hospitable to the homeless lead to giant homeless cities and garbage for miles on the highways.  You could drive 60 minutes out of Portland into the wilderness and find a whole living room of furniture and garbage in the trees where the meth users would do drugs all day.  We'd have to clean it up just to put a good light onto the gun owners who shot at public locations like that.   Friends would have homeless living in trailers in front of their house and dumping garbage onto their lawn and if they called the police they would say the City wont let them deal with it. 

So if it works as well as their lack of dealing with the homeless, Portland should be a tourist designation for drug users coming from all over the country to squat and do what ever they want.   

The Oregon state government could take the best looking plan on paper and ruin it.   When they made the C&R FFL illegal I knew that there was no trusting any of them.

Just like being as friendly and hospitable to the homeless lead to giant homeless cities and garbage for miles on the highways.  You could drive 60 minutes out of Portland into the wilderness and find a whole living room of furniture and garbage in the trees where the meth users would do drugs all day.  We'd have to clean it up just to put a good light onto the gun owners who shot at public locations like that.   Friends would have homeless living in trailers in front of their house and dumping garbage onto their lawn and if they called the police they would say the City wont let them deal with it. 

So if it works as well as their lack of dealing with the homeless, Portland should be a tourist designation for drug users coming from all over the country to squat and do what ever they want.

Sounds like something a gallon of gas and a match could solve.

Nowadays we all look like ANTIFA with masks.

The Oregon state government could take the best looking plan on paper and ruin it.   When they made the C&R FFL illegal I knew that there was no trusting any of them.

Just like being as friendly and hospitable to the homeless lead to giant homeless cities and garbage for miles on the highways.  You could drive 60 minutes out of Portland into the wilderness and find a whole living room of furniture and garbage in the trees where the meth users would do drugs all day.  We'd have to clean it up just to put a good light onto the gun owners who shot at public locations like that.   Friends would have homeless living in trailers in front of their house and dumping garbage onto their lawn and if they called the police they would say the City wont let them deal with it. 

So if it works as well as their lack of dealing with the homeless, Portland should be a tourist designation for drug users coming from all over the country to squat and do what ever they want.

that's what I am seeing here in Hawaii. Treat homelessness with more personnel and money and the govt incentivized the homeless condition. It's a tough problem - I was almost homeless coming out of high school.

that's what I am seeing here in Hawaii. Treat homelessness with more personnel and money and the govt incentivized the homeless condition. It's a tough problem - I was almost homeless coming out of high school.

Years ago my step-daughter was homeless.  She ditched highschool with 2 weeks left to live with a homeless kid her age the moment she turned 18.  She got pregnant and after coming home again we decided that in order for her to continue living at home she'd need to finish that highschool diploma with one 1/2 day class a week.  Despite that only requirement, she felt this was too much work and went homeless again.   She lived with several homeless young people who didnt need to be homeless, but they just did not want to do anything at all.

It was sure eye opening being exposed to that part of the homeless situation in Portland hearing about quite a lot of people who were homeless by choice.   Her SNAP benefits were pooled by their little group to sell for cash so they could buy drugs or occasionally get food from it.  All of them learned about loopholes to abuse the system. Several of them were getting food stamps from more than one state.     They lived in the HHR I had bought her previously by a park and never once did the police interact with them.   

I have no problem with legal marijuana. As for legal heroine I figure if you want to go die using it then be my guest but I fear associated theft crime to pay for people's habits. However when it comes to meth I don't see any good arguments in legalizing that, thats just asking for trouble.

I have no problem with legal marijuana. As for legal heroine I figure if you want to go die using it then be my guest but I fear associated theft crime to pay for people's habits. However when it comes to meth I don't see any good arguments in legalizing that, thats just asking for trouble.

This law is just designed to go after the dealers not the average drug user on the street.  Arresting him does nothing to stop the drug trade.  Just clogs up prison and wastes all our money.  Just let them overdose and go for the real criminals.

Aka some young people do stupid things and get coke, police stop them.  Throwing them in jail ruins their lives and wastes my money.   And doesn't do anything really beneficial. 

Sounds like something a gallon of gas and a match could solve.

Nowadays we all look like ANTIFA with masks.

Had a UC that was spotted in NY.  Worst UC ever as he tried to pose as antifa.  He was wearing a beanie instead of a hoodie.  His black coat he wore also looked like something from Banana Republic, and he looked way to clean.  So someone spotted him and was chatting. He ended up showing his badge that was on his waistband.

I have no problem with legal marijuana. As for legal heroine I figure if you want to go die using it then be my guest but I fear associated theft crime to pay for people's habits. However when it comes to meth I don't see any good arguments in legalizing that, thats just asking for trouble.

Here's a super radical idea.  If people or the government make the drugs legally they then push out the cartels bringing them in.  Then in turn, pushes out the dealers.  Thus puts them out of business in the USA.  Drug crime goes down, cops are safer, saves money in court cases/police pay/ injury cost/etc...1 downside would be the antihistamine companies and battery companies will lose money.

Why buy from a drug dealer when someone can just go to the store and get better quality stuff for cheaper.  There was a VICE documentary on the Colorado MJ legalization.  Basically the MJ dealers all said they were going out of business.  Some where getting out, others were going to sell harsher drugs.

And anyone besides a minor who is ODing, will not get any treatment from EMT or hospitals.  I say minor because they may ingest the drugs due to their young age and not knowing any better.  An adult made the choice almost all the time.

Here's a super radical idea.  If people or the government make the drugs legally they then push out the cartels bringing them in.  Then in turn, pushes out the dealers.  Thus puts them out of business in the USA.  Drug crime goes down, cops are safer, saves money in court cases/police pay/ injury cost/etc...1 downside would be the antihistamine companies and battery companies will lose money.

Why buy from a drug dealer when someone can just go to the store and get better quality stuff for cheaper.  There was a VICE documentary on the Colorado MJ legalization.  Basically the MJ dealers all said they were going out of business.  Some where getting out, others were going to sell harsher drugs.

And anyone besides a minor who is ODing, will not get any treatment from EMT or hospitals.  I say minor because they may ingest the drugs due to their young age and not knowing any better.  An adult made the choice almost all the time.

Where do you think the gov't will be buying their narcotics to sell legally?  From the same people producing them now, only instead of using armed forces to intercept drug shipments, we'll be paying for them to protect drug shipments. 

This argument was used on many other vice-related products, like tobacco and alcohol.  When the gov't starts taxing it, the bootleggers STILL have a market.  Cigarettes and booze still flow through Canada, just without the US tax stamps.  No tax revenue, no control over safety or quality, and the "dealers" are still in business.

Where do you think the gov't will be buying their narcotics to sell legally?  From the same people producing them now, only instead of using armed forces to intercept drug shipments, we'll be paying for them to protect drug shipments. 

This argument was used on many other vice-related products, like tobacco and alcohol.  When the gov't starts taxing it, the bootleggers STILL have a market.  Cigarettes and booze still flow through Canada, just without the US tax stamps.  No tax revenue, no control over safety or quality, and the "dealers" are still in business.

OR, you know Nebraska can grow less corn and grow other crops.  Its as if you think drugs can only be grown in Mexico by cartels.  If you legalize it, people will create entire legal supply chains in America,  not only stores, but manufacture, and transportation.  Counterfeit alcohol and cigarettes are uncommon in America to my knowledge.   You can tax them at the same rate. 

Here's a super radical idea.  If people or the government make the drugs legally they then push out the cartels bringing them in.  Then in turn, pushes out the dealers.  Thus puts them out of business in the USA.  Drug crime goes down, cops are safer, saves money in court cases/police pay/ injury cost/etc...1 downside would be the antihistamine companies and battery companies will lose money.

Why buy from a drug dealer when someone can just go to the store and get better quality stuff for cheaper.  There was a VICE documentary on the Colorado MJ legalization.  Basically the MJ dealers all said they were going out of business.  Some where getting out, others were going to sell harsher drugs.

And anyone besides a minor who is ODing, will not get any treatment from EMT or hospitals.  I say minor because they may ingest the drugs due to their young age and not knowing any better.  An adult made the choice almost all the time.

One of the seemingly rare times I fully agree with you on.  No tinfoil needed.

OR, you know Nebraska can grow less corn and grow other crops.  Its as if you think drugs can only be grown in Mexico by cartels.  If you legalize it, people will create entire legal supply chains in America,  not only stores, but manufacture, and transportation.  Counterfeit alcohol and cigarettes are uncommon in America to my knowledge.   You can tax them at the same rate.

Really?  You know that how?  Are you a NE corn farmer?  Do you know whether or not the climate and soil will even support opium?

There just might be a reason the opium exporters are all within a similar distance from the equator.  Just a "theory," but I bet you can find out why.

HINT:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/top-opium-poppy-producing-countries.html

The best conditions in which Opium Poppies germinate is a soil temperature between 60 and 65 degrees
Fahrenheit and an air temperature around 55 degrees Fahrenheit.  A good amount of air circulation is
recommended for the most prosperous growth of the poppy, as well as plenty of sunlight and sufficient rainfall.   

I lived in OK for 5 years.  If you look at a map, NE is just north of OK.

Corn grows well in warm-hot weather, but it's seasonal.  You plant in the Spring, harvest in the Summer & Fall, and when the plants stop yielding, you plow the plants under and wait for next planting season.

Opium likes moderate climates.  NE is anything but temperate.  Very hot Summers and very cold Winters.  Spring and Fall are tornado seasons, with weeks of hail and thunder storms.

But, you go ahead and tell us all which states should change to growing poppies and abandon the task of FEEDING the world.