i guess "independents" are also unable to understand satire...

They're ass backwards!

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Here's what passes as vaunted "science" for the Covid Safety Cult morons. You can't make this shit up! This could (should?) be satire, like the Gavin Newsom special Democrat politician exemption from rules card posted above. But, unfortunately, it's not. It's real. That's how stupid these people are. Unfuckingbelievable. Oh, wait... how will the resident moron justify these rules? Because we know he can't wait to write something ludicrously illogically senseless to attempt to justify moronic stupidity. Surely there is some science that has been overlooked to justify no handshake before or after you spit on the other guys face making a maximal effort to extract oneself from a hold.

New Covid rules for Ohio high school wrestling say students can wrestle but they can't shake hands.

Can never be too careful.

It's 'rastling season and to try and limit the spread of Covid officials with the Ohio High School Athletic Association (OHSAA) have done the responsible thing and released some updated requirements for players and coaches.

The students are still being allowed to wrestle. In fact, they don't even have to wear face masks while they do so. But they will no longer be allowed to shake hands before and after the match.

That's right, you can literally wrap your sweaty thighs around another dude's face, but you can't shake his hand before you do it.

Where I come from we call that bad manners.

Other rules include wearing masks whenever not on the mat, athletes being spaced six-feet apart on team benches, and officiants no longer being allowed to hold up the arm of the winner of the match. Instead, they will just have to raise their own arm and point at the winner.

Heard immunity kicks in if 90 or 95% of the population has the vaccine.   I'll still do my part and wear masks and distance.  Till we reach that goal of herd immunity and my own vaccination.

NO!

Herd immunity (also called herd effect, community immunity, population immunity, or social immunity)
 is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections, thereby reducing the likelihood of infection for individuals who lack immunity.

"Heard immunity"
I "Heard" if I wear a mask and social distance 6 ft, and not leave my home, I'm immune. 

you heard immunity kicks in at 90-95% from whom?
you better check again with your "science cult" members
that number is totally incorrect...

Herd immunity,  it happens below 90% but if you get to 90% you are pretty safe.  As usual,  biggest issue with the statement was auto correct.

Herd immunity,  it happens below 90% but if you get to 90% you are pretty safe.  As usual,  biggest issue with the statement was auto correct.

in other words herd immunity is somewhere between 0-100% 

in other words herd immunity is somewhere between 0-100% 

T_T it depends how infectious Covid is, aka the R0.  Current thoughts is if we reach around 70+ percent of the population we attain herd immunity.   So if 90% of the population has it we are set.

Herd immunity,  it happens below 90% but if you get to 90% you are pretty safe.  As usual,  biggest issue with the statement was auto correct.

maybe they should inject the person with both the vaxx and virus to get a 100% heard immunity?

Herd immunity,  it happens below 90% but if you get to 90% you are pretty safe.  As usual,  biggest issue with the statement was auto correct.

Okay, I have to unignore you on this one.

Did autocorrect type "kicks in?"  If not, the THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH YOUR STATEMENT is not "heard", it's that the FACTS you are pushing are WRONG.

My post, WHICH YOU GAVE A LIKE TO, says verbatim:

It also means 50% to 67% of the population would need to be resistant
before herd immunity kicks in and the infection rates start to
go down.

You said:

Heard immunity kicks in if 90 or 95% of the population has the vaccine.

You were wrong on two fronts. 

First, herd immunity includes the total of the population that has immunity -- not just from vaccinations, but also from having had the virus.  There's no reason to give vaccines to the almost 30% of the population that's already been infected and recovered.

Second, WebMD contradicts you when you say it KICKS IN at 90% - 95% of the population being vaccinated.  Whether you meant to state vaccinated vs immunized by vaccine AND prior infection doesn't matter.  Neither is going to be a 90%+ threshold for herd immunity to "kick in."

Just stop trying to lecture us on something you can't seem to Google properly.   

If the real doctors you say you spoke to are feeding you this malarkey, I hope they aren't your primary care physicians.  If they are, I recommend you find another one ... fast!

At least he didn't get exposed to a virus with a 99.999% chance of survival for his age group... nor did he not infect anyone else at could-have-been school or elsewhere since people his age have almost zero ability to infect others. But at least he followed the "rules" of the Safety Covid Cult... and bore the burnt of the consequences. Nothing to see here. Oh, by the way, at least one child/adolescent psychiatrist has reported a 400% (four hundred percent) increase this year in suicidal ideation in people in that age group.

11-Year-Old Boy Kills Himself On ZOOM Call During COVID Lockdown Public School Online Classroom

The COVID lockdowns are going so well, 11 year old students are killing themselves during online classroom zoom calls.

NEWSER.com — A sixth grade Zoom class turned tragic this week in California, leaving an 11-year-old dead after cops say he shot himself. The San Joaquin County Sheriff’s Office started fielding calls around 11am Wednesday that there’d been a shooting in Woodbridge, and when deputies got to the scene, they found a child with a head injury, KCRA reports. Deputies confirm that the boy, IDed by the Sacramento Bee as Woodbridge Elementary School student Adan Llanos, had been in an online learning class with his camera and mic turned off when he turned the gun on himself, per CBS Sacramento. His sister, who’d been in a Zoom class elsewhere in the home, found her brother and got help from a teacher and a neighbor.

Children subjected to social isolation and thrust into exclusively online classroom learning due to a virus that they survive at a rate of more than 99.99% have turned to killing themselves to escape their hellish, socially isolating brave new world.

“The sister come here, banging on the door,” the neighbor tells KCRA, adding that Adan was “one the nicest little boys you’ll ever want to know.” Adan was rushed to a nearby hospital, the sheriff’s office says in a Facebook post, but an update notes the boy succumbed to his injuries. “Our thoughts are with the family and all those affected by this tragic event,” the post says. The Lodi Unified School District says it’s offering bereavement support services and counseling for any students or staff who need it, and local mental health experts advise parents to be on the lookout for signs of mental health struggles their children may be having. “Sometimes we go through things that are temporary emotional experiences, and with the support of family and other trained people we can get through those things,” the district’s special education director tells CBS. (Read more child death stories: https://www.newser.com/tag/57662/1/child-death.html)

Many within the public schooling system have, over the years, decried Home-Schooling as abusive behavior, socially stunting children subjected it. Now, due to the FAKE COVID virus, these same public school advocates have welcomed home-schooling with open arms, but with a new and exclusively online twist.

maybe they should inject the person with both the vaxx and virus to get a 100% heard immunity?

2 is 1 and 1 is none....

At least he didn't get exposed to a virus with a 99.999% chance of survival for his age group... nor did he not infect anyone else at could-have-been school or elsewhere since people his age have almost zero ability to infect others. But at least he followed the "rules" of the Safety Covid Cult... and bore the burnt of the consequences. Nothing to see here. Oh, by the way, at least one child/adolescent psychiatrist has reported a 400% (four hundred percent) increase this year in suicidal ideation in people in that age group.

11-Year-Old Boy Kills Himself On ZOOM Call During COVID Lockdown Public School Online Classroom

The COVID lockdowns are going so well, 11 year old students are killing themselves during online classroom zoom calls.

NEWSER.com — A sixth grade Zoom class turned tragic this week in California, leaving an 11-year-old dead after cops say he shot himself. The San Joaquin County Sheriff’s Office started fielding calls around 11am Wednesday that there’d been a shooting in Woodbridge, and when deputies got to the scene, they found a child with a head injury, KCRA reports. Deputies confirm that the boy, IDed by the Sacramento Bee as Woodbridge Elementary School student Adan Llanos, had been in an online learning class with his camera and mic turned off when he turned the gun on himself, per CBS Sacramento. His sister, who’d been in a Zoom class elsewhere in the home, found her brother and got help from a teacher and a neighbor.

Children subjected to social isolation and thrust into exclusively online classroom learning due to a virus that they survive at a rate of more than 99.99% have turned to killing themselves to escape their hellish, socially isolating brave new world.

“The sister come here, banging on the door,” the neighbor tells KCRA, adding that Adan was “one the nicest little boys you’ll ever want to know.” Adan was rushed to a nearby hospital, the sheriff’s office says in a Facebook post, but an update notes the boy succumbed to his injuries. “Our thoughts are with the family and all those affected by this tragic event,” the post says. The Lodi Unified School District says it’s offering bereavement support services and counseling for any students or staff who need it, and local mental health experts advise parents to be on the lookout for signs of mental health struggles their children may be having. “Sometimes we go through things that are temporary emotional experiences, and with the support of family and other trained people we can get through those things,” the district’s special education director tells CBS. (Read more child death stories: https://www.newser.com/tag/57662/1/child-death.html)

Many within the public schooling system have, over the years, decried Home-Schooling as abusive behavior, socially stunting children subjected it. Now, due to the FAKE COVID virus, these same public school advocates have welcomed home-schooling with open arms, but with a new and exclusively online twist.

Doesn't CA have a law about using approved safes? Doesn't CA have a law about keeping guns locked?  How could this have happened?

Doesn't CA have a law about using approved safes? Doesn't CA have a law about keeping guns locked?  How could this have happened?

Laws are never preventative unless they require inspections by the government.  Even then, you can't predict every possible failure. 

Laws only address past behavior (left the safe unlocked?) -- no Pre-Crime .... yet!

Even if the owner followed the storage laws, that's no guarantee that a persistent and reasonably intelligent minor can't get past the security in place.  Was the firearm even his parents'?  Did he get it from a friend?  Neighbor? Black market?

Mrs. Lanza, formerly of Newtown, CT, was unavailable for comment on the effectiveness of gun safes.

Okay, I have to unignore you on this one.

Did autocorrect type "kicks in?"  If not, the THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH YOUR STATEMENT is not "heard", it's that the FACTS you are pushing are WRONG.

My post, WHICH YOU GAVE A LIKE TO, says verbatim:

You said:

You were wrong on two fronts. 

First, herd immunity includes the total of the population that has immunity -- not just from vaccinations, but also from having had the virus.  There's no reason to give vaccines to the almost 30% of the population that's already been infected and recovered.

Second, WebMD contradicts you when you say it KICKS IN at 90% - 95% of the population being vaccinated.  Whether you meant to state vaccinated vs immunized by vaccine AND prior infection doesn't matter.  Neither is going to be a 90%+ threshold for herd immunity to "kick in."

Just stop trying to lecture us on something you can't seem to Google properly.   

If the real doctors you say you spoke to are feeding you this malarkey, I hope they aren't your primary care physicians.  If they are, I recommend you find another one ... fast!

I wasn't wrong if you can't bother to follow along the topic you might as well keep to your echo chamber.  The previous poster I was replying to said vaccine has a reported 90-95% protection rate.  If 100% of America got it then I was saying herd immunity would cover the not 100% vaccine. 

Kicks in is a way to say it's effective.   I guess slang is lost on you.  You don't need 90% while we don't know the exact R0 it's assume to be perhaps around 70.  Either recovered or vaccinated count. 

And yes people who recovered technically don't need the vaccine.  Unless you tested positive for the antibody test. You should still get the vaccine. We also don't know how long natural immunity lasts.   I don't belive there if any harm to taking the vaccine. 

You don't have to keep pretending you know everything by picking up some minor point and over correcting to seem intelligent. 

I wasn't wrong if you can't bother to follow along the topic you might as well keep to your echo chamber.  The previous poster I was replying to said vaccine has a reported 90-95% protection rate.  If 100% of America got it then I was saying herd immunity would cover the not 100% vaccine. 

Kicks in is a way to say it's effective.   I guess slang is lost on you.  You don't need 90% while we don't know the exact R0 it's assume to be perhaps around 70.  Either recovered or vaccinated count. 

And yes people who recovered technically don't need the vaccine.  Unless you tested positive for the antibody test. You should still get the vaccine. We also don't know how long natural immunity lasts.   I don't belive there if any harm to taking the vaccine. 

You don't have to keep pretending you know everything by picking up some minor point and over correcting to seem intelligent.

There's a reason I have you on ignore.  So I don't have to read all of your constant battling back and forth over how you were right it we would only agree with your definitions and "facts".

   "If 100% of America got it then I was saying herd immunity would cover the not 100% vaccine?"  Really?  If 100% got the vaccine, there would be no one without immunity, so "herd immunity" would not be needed.  The vaccine would protect everyone.  Herd immunity, by definition, is where the infection rate begins to drop after a portion of the population is immune -- it protects those without immunity by lowering transmission rates.  If 100%-vaccination of the population isn't protecting us to where we need to rely on herd immunity, then we need to keep looking for another vaccine.

Maybe you need to study what herd immunity is.  It's NOT that YOU are immune (assuming you were never infected or vaccinated).  It's that enough of the population is immune so that risk of transmission to you is very low to nonexistent.  Basically, the odds of non-immunized people catching the disease is minor since there are so many fewer carriers.

You were wrong, and "slang" doesn't explain why you think herd immunity relies on vaccines.  We are already halfway to herd immunity thresholds where it KICKS IN -- long before a vaccine is available and the results of it known.

Not going to argue your stupid hypotheticals of "if 100% got vaccines."  That will never happen, even if mandated.

There's a reason I have you on ignore.  So I don't have to read all of your constant battling back and forth over how you were right it we would only agree with your definitions and "facts".

   "If 100% of America got it then I was saying herd immunity would cover the not 100% vaccine?"  Really?  If 100% got the vaccine, there would be no one without immunity, so "herd immunity" would not be needed.  The vaccine would protect everyone.  Herd immunity, be definition, is where the infection rate begins to drop after a portion of the population is immune.  If 100% vaccination of the population isn't protecting us to where we need to rely on herd immunity, then we need to keep looking for another vaccine.

You were wrong, and "slang" doesn't explain why you think herd immunity relies on vaccines.  We are already halfway to herd immunity thresholds where it KICKS IN -- long before a vaccine is available and the results of it known.

Not going to argue your stupid hypotheticals of "if 100% got vaccines."  That will never happen, even if mandated.

Sigh.  If 100 people got a vaccine that was 90% effective at stopping a virus are they all immune? No 90 people are immune.  But the argument is that 90 people who are immune create an effective herd immunity protecting the 10 other people.  I know you have trouble with science but math too?

It was a scenario for another user not for you.  I know there won't be 100% vaccination. There's plenty of dumb people in America.   All we have to do is some way reach herd immunity then we can start to relax mask and lockdown mandates. 

The problem with all of this is that the solution (ie the lockdown and mask mandate) is worse than the disease.

And no one can argue with that. Well, no one with half a brain that is.

Sigh.  If 100 people got a vaccine that was 90% effective at stopping a virus are they all immune? No 90 people are immune.  But the argument is that 90 people who are immune create an effective herd immunity protecting the 10 other people.  I know you have trouble with science but math too?

It was a scenario for another user not for you.  I know there won't be 100% vaccination. There's plenty of dumb people in America.   All we have to do is some way reach herd immunity then we can start to relax mask and lockdown mandates.

If only 50%-67% of the population is required to become immune to have herd immunity, then your push for 100% vaccinations at ANY effectiveness rate above 70% offers no improvement in infection rates.  People will still get it.  Doesn't even take into account mutated strains of the virus.

Math. Some numbers are bigger, but it doesn't make them better in all contexts.

Polio was eradicated from the US and other countries by mandatory inoculations.  Now, it's on the rise in some countries, mostly in Africa and the Middle East.  It's nearly impossible to totally eradicate any virus.  That's how nature works.  Only a matter of time before it becomes a health crisis in the US again, either from evolution or the loss of effectiveness of existing vaccines.

We've had typhoid and the plague breaking out in California.  Can't account for all variables when making broad, general statements about 100% immunity -- herd or vaccine.

The problem with all of this is that the solution (ie the lockdown and mask mandate) is worse than the disease.

And no one can argue with that. Well, no one with half a brain that is.

Is that with or without cognizance?   

Is that with or without cognizance?

Even brain dead IT workers have cognizance.