that's because-
what he believes in = "settled science"
and
what he doesn't believe in = "conspiracy theories"

Science is based on consensus...

Wonder what he believes about the laws of physics. Prob just guidelines and “settled” in courts...

So the moron claims that $4 BILLION payouts from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program went to "a few people"? What, a BILLION to each of 4 people, or a million each to 4,000 people? How many is "a few"? And what difference does it make how many people purportedly "benefit" if your child dies or is permanently seriously disabled?

Only an authoritarian fascist thinks that the liberties and freedoms of lawful citizens can be suspended or revoked or overwritten for the sake of some nebulous (and likely unproven or unprovable) "community benefit" (i.e. the "gun violence" "public health epidemic" requires that the right to keep and bear arms be suspended regarding certain classes or firearms, for instance, semi-automatic firearms or any but bolt action firearms, etc., etc., etc.).

If you read the article it would tell you the average amount....only an anarchist would think that there is no reason for the greater good of the country.  So what if china attacked Hawaii would you just stay home cause not my problem #freedom4me.   If we were at war would you complain about rationing supplies?   Do you complain about the freedom to drive drunk?   Freedom does not exist if you infringe on others freedoms.  Firearms in the hand of a responsible owner will NEVER infringe on another persons rights.  Driving drunk or spreading viruses might. 

Science is based on consensus...

Wonder what he believes about the laws of physics. Prob just guidelines and “settled” in courts...

The consensus believes in gravity, its documented and tested.   If someone comes out saying gravity doesn't exist they have to prove it and then convince everyone to believe in what they say.  That's how it works.   Replace courts with scientific journals and community.

The consensus believes in gravity, its documented and tested.   If someone comes out saying gravity doesn't exist they have to prove it and then convince everyone to believe in what they say.  That's how it works.   Replace courts with scientific journals and community.

yet you make a statement that we said the something was a "good way" and won't prove it...

The consensus believes in gravity, its documented and tested.   If someone comes out saying gravity doesn't exist they have to prove it and then convince everyone to believe in what they say.  That's how it works.   Replace courts with scientific journals and community.

The primary criterion and standard of evaluation of scientific theory is evidence, not proof...

yet you make a statement that we said the something was a "good way" and won't prove it...

Remember when someone got all butthurt about slander? Despite not even being slandered...

Yet he has no problems saying things about others as fact without backing it up...

yet you make a statement that we said the something was a "good way" and won't prove it...

I think so, too, but it get's better.  I stopped thinking a long time ago, even before election day, that there doesn't have to be fraud or tampering to the degree that it changed the outcome.  If they can show that the election was in violation of the Constitution, then the electoral votes should not be accepted, and Congress should be tasked with choosing the President and VP.  Trump's team has at least two Constitutional challenges as I see it. 

One challenge would be the way the election rules were changed by the State Supreme Court or other office besides the legislature.  The Constitution says that the rules of states' elections must be decided upon by the legislature.  The founders did this precisely so the rules are set by the people through their representatives.  Allowing any other body or individual to make the rules puts the outcome of the election at the whim of judges, Secretaries of State, Governors, unelected officials (elections directors), etc.  None of those represent the people insofar as the Constitution recognizes them.  We know PA courts changed the rules just days before election day, allowing additional time for mail-in ballots to arrive.  Not their right to do that.  Since the state also ignored Supreme Court injunctions to segregate the late ballots from the on-time ones, there's no way to correct that in the ballot count.  The damage is irreversible.

Another challenge is the 14th Amendment's equal protection under the law.  In 2000, the Bush legal team used this to successfully argue that elections must be conducted evenly and fairly among all presidential candidates and parties.  In Florida, the recount was one-sided, allowing only counties that leaned heavily Democrat to be recounted.  During the recount, ballots that were originally not included in vote totals by virtue of them having errors were being reexamined manually to ascertain what the voters' INTENTIONS were.  If the ballot failed to be processed because they made stray marks, failed to punch "chads" completely, or didn't vote for the race at all because they were confused by the layout of the ballot ("Butterfly Ballots"), or voted for too many candidates in a race, the examiner would make a judgement call in the one race -- the Presidential race -- to decipher whether the voter "intended" to mark the ballot for Gore or Bush.

Since these formerly spoiled or unreadable ballots were being resurrected only in counties that might help Gore, the Supreme Court ruled that the recount must include ALL counties regardless of party "leanings", or the recount would be invalid.  That decision came down just 2 hours before the deadline to certify the state election results.  Obviously, a full Florida statewide recount was impossible in 2 hours, so the whole recount that took over a month's effort was halted and the results never used.  The original numbers from before any recounts began were used, and Bush became the President Elect ... again!

This election, there are accusations that ballots which had errors in Democrat-leaning counties or precincts were being remedied by workers contacting the voters.  If it was a mail-in (most were), then the mismatched or missing signature, missing date, miss-marked ballot, or other mistakes were corrected so the ballot would count.  In Republican-leaning areas, the option to contact voters and correct ballots was not being offered as an option to the workers.  Sounds awfully close to the same unequal treatment of ballots as happened in 2000.  You can't spoil one party's ballots while correcting another party's.

There are all kinds of examples of how a few states, mainly PA, MI and WI, violated the Constitution as well as their own state laws.  A big one is refusing to allow GOP observers in the counting areas.  One party was allowed to run the counting (Democrat-run government) while the other party was excluded from observing and ensuring the rules were followed.  Again, this sounds like a 14th Amendment violation.  Can't give parties different treatment, even if (especially if) your party is running the state.

The best outcome for Trump would be for the Supreme Court to order the election be given to Congress to decide.  Having an electoral college perform the selection of president would be unfair if they allowed a few swing states to certify tainted results, and the electoral votes wound be incomplete if they let fewer than 50 states meet in the electoral college.  Giving it to Congress at least includes reps from all 50 states.

This is going to be an election for the history books, making 2016 look like a normal election by comparison.

Fun fact:  Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justices Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett all worked on the Bush legal team that argued the Florida recount cases in Gore v. Bush.  It's going to be pretty interesting to see lawyers for Trump standing before that group arguing nearly the same facts and Constitutional points of law that they themselves argued 20 years ago.   

Happy?  I do your homework for you.  You can find the other posts yourself.

Happy?  I do your homework for you.  You can find the other posts yourself.

Why are you pasting/quoting a wall of text from the Election Fraud Evidence thread to the COVID Vaccine in Hawaii thread?

Do you not know how to copy a LINK?

Do you not know how to DELETE EXTRANEOUS PARTS of a quote?

Do you not  know how to STOP HIJACKING THREADS?

OMG!  Do you have a clue how what you're doing is more annoying than Kamala Harris' cackle?

 

Happy?  I do your homework for you.  You can find the other posts yourself.

it's your homework, you made the statement, you need to back it up

you said that members here said that it was a "good way" for trump to win, and that trump said it too
that's an article that explains how the process works...

edit-
sorry, my mistake
flapp wrote that post, i mistook it for an article...

The primary criterion and standard of evaluation of scientific theory is evidence, not proof...

i thought it was "pretty sure"...

U.K. to use AI tool to process 'high volume' of expected adverse reactions from COVID vaccine

"Most" of the side effects are reportedly "mild and short-term."

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/uk-will-use-ai-tool-process-high-volume-expected-adverse-reactions

The British government is funding the development of an artificial intelligence tool to track and log what it anticipates will be a "high volume" of adverse reactions to the upcoming COVID-19 vaccine once it becomes widely distributed.

A "contract award notice" posted to the European Union public procurement tracker Tenders Electronic Daily states that the U.K.'s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency plans to deploy "an Artificial Intelligence (AI) software tool" to "process the expected high volume of Covid-19 vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs' reaction text are missed."

"It is not possible to retrofit the MHRA's legacy systems to handle the volume of ADRs that will be generated by a Covid-19 vaccine," the contract notice continues. "Therefore, if the MHRA does not implement the AI tool, it will be unable to process these ADRs effectively.

"This will hinder [the MHRA's] ability to rapidly identify any potential safety issues with the Covid-19 vaccine and represents a direct threat to patient life and public health."

Happy?  I do your homework for you.  You can find the other posts yourself.

BTW, "GOOD" is not a synonym for "BEST."

I was referring to his best OUTCOME, not his best (or even a good) STRATEGY.

Improving your reading comprehension would be good. 

This is like trying to teach a pig how to sing ...

The first bricks in the wall to total bullshit are removed by a court of law. (Yeah, Michigan courts ruled Whitmer's actions illegal, but didn't include any enforcement mechanism, so she doubled down with impunity.) It'll be hell freezing over day when a Hawaii court so rules, but perhaps we can get a SCOTUS decision to intervene. Not holding my breath.... just glad to see the bullshit lies exposed via evidence in a court of law. It will obviously take a lot more time passing before cases can be filed against various aspects of the vaccines.

Portuguese Court Rules PCR Tests “Unreliable” & Quarantines “Unlawful”

https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/20/portuguese-court-rules-pcr-tests-unreliable-quarantines-unlawful/

Important legal decision faces total media blackout in Western world

An appeals court in Portugal has ruled that the PCR process is not a reliable test for Sars-Cov-2, and therefore any enforced quarantine based on those test results is unlawful.

Further, the ruling suggested that any forced quarantine applied to healthy people could be a violation of their fundamental right to liberty.

Most importantly, the judges ruled that a single positive PCR test cannot be used as an effective diagnosis of infection.

Never mind! Taking a pause

Never mind! Taking a pause

Oh come on!  Nobody likes a quitter!    

Oh come on!  Nobody likes a quitter!    

Not quitting, trying not to let my mouth run 5 miles in front of my brain, as my grandfather would put it.

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The consensus believes in gravity, its documented and tested.   If someone comes out saying gravity doesn't exist they have to prove it and then convince everyone to believe in what they say.  That's how it works.   Replace courts with scientific journals and community.

You gotta give him credit to hanging in there. But to your point, hijacking here, along the lines of your reasoning. If the dems lied, cheat, fraud, and stole the election, you're saying we're conspiracy theorist and not giving repub a chance to prove it. Does it make sense?

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Not quitting, trying not to let my mouth run 5 miles in front of my brain, as my grandfather would put it.

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Ahh.  Gotcha.  Lots of that going around these days.  Makes it entertaining at times.   

You gotta give him credit to hanging in there. But to your point, hijacking here, along the lines of your reasoning. If the dems lied, cheat, fraud, and stole the election, you're saying we're conspiracy theorist and not giving repub a chance to prove it. Does it make sense?

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He is persistent. . .

You gotta give him credit to hanging in there. But to your point, hijacking here, along the lines of your reasoning. If the dems lied, cheat, fraud, and stole the election, you're saying we're conspiracy theorist and not giving repub a chance to prove it. Does it make sense?

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Not what I am saying at all,  you can try make your point without saying there IS fraud without proof.  Screaming the election is stolen and dominion voting machines are changing votes and dead people are voting as if it was proven fact is wrong, because it wasn't proven.   Say there might be fraud, lets get this investigated.  Its much about how you say it.  That being said so far there has been no court cases progressing  with irrefutable proof yet.  Georgia disproved dominion fraud. And people having been finding out dead people didn't even vote or are alive.   Its not looking good for republican claims.  Much like democrats wasted years trying to prove Russia got trump elected fraudulently and that was found to be false.  This is looking to turn into another witchhunt.  Right after republicans been accusing democrats of doing that they do it themselves?

Not what I am saying at all,  you can try make your point without saying there IS fraud without proof.  Screaming the election is stolen and dominion voting machines are changing votes and dead people are voting as if it was proven fact is wrong, because it wasn't proven.   Say there might be fraud, lets get this investigated.  Its much about how you say it.  That being said so far there has been no court cases progressing  with irrefutable proof yet.  Georgia disproved dominion fraud. And people having been finding out dead people didn't even vote or are alive.   Its not looking good for republican claims.  Much like democrats wasted years trying to prove Russia got trump elected fraudulently and that was found to be false.  This is looking to turn into another witchhunt.  Right after republicans been accusing democrats of doing that they do it themselves?

Are you listening to yourself? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, what do you call it?

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