Many years ago I thought I might like being
a cop. I took classes, and went on ride alongs.
I soon discovered that I did not have the temperament required
to be a "good" cop, so I became an engineer so I didn't have to deal with
so many idiots, just a few.
I have seen the worst side of cops you can imagine.
but there are two areas they are necessary
one is this

https://noqreport.com/2021/03/06/nypd-bodycam-video-shows-why-cops-are-always-on-edge/

The other is DUI busts.
Outside of that all cops do is clean up the mess that people make out of life.
Aloha.

I generally support cops.  Most cops are good people and the few bad apples make them look bad sometimes.  They protect the peace and law and order.  They are essential to our government and democracy.   

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I generally support cops.  Most cops are good people and the few bad apples make them look bad sometimes.  They protect the peace and law and order.  They are essential to our government and democracy.

HAH! Maybe on Feb 30th they might be everything you said. I personally can’t stand 90% of them. Keep drinking your cool aid!

HAH! Maybe on Feb 30th they might be everything you said. I personally can’t stand 90% of them. Keep drinking your cool aid!

Then mag ban passes and theyre just "following orders". Only 1 cop has the balls to publicly state as a cop he wont enforce a particular gun law if it passes.

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Then mag ban passes and theyre just "following orders". Only 1 cop has the balls to publicly state as a cop he wont enforce a particular gun law if it passes

Exactly.

In the US empire, there is no reason to believe cops or the military will side with the people over the dictates, of their power okole masters, and that may include people you know, who are part of those establishments.

Exactly.

In the US empire, there is no reason to believe cops or the military will side with the people over the dictates, of their power okole masters, and that may include people you know, who are part of those establishments.

If the Cops and military sided with the people, who would the people fight?  Not the politicians and appointed "leaders!"  Those people don't fight.  They have the Cops and military at their disposal whenever they need to apply force.

The way I imagine it is ... if a number of Cops and military side with the people, that may be enough to gain access to the weapons and other resources available to the state.  Not to mention having insider knowledge that can be useful in planning operations.

Insurgents don't often go toe-to-toe with the state.  They use mostly covert missions to disrupt and pilfer.  It would be suicide to engage in open battle for all objectives.

I guess people here don't fly a flag with a blue line on it....surprising how anti government and police everyone here is.

Guess its just another thing to add to the list of differences.  I won't give up my support of government and police.   Hopefully people will change their mind, but as we can see with other "liberal" topics, the chances are slim.

Following...

Following...

#metoo

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You a part of the movement? 

I guess people here don't fly a flag with a blue line on it....surprising how anti government and police everyone here is.

Guess its just another thing to add to the list of differences.  I won't give up my support of government and police.   Hopefully people will change their mind, but as we can see with other "liberal" topics, the chances are slim.

i fail to see how a thread where 3 or 4 people are commenting constitutes "everyone"...

i fail to see how a thread where 3 or 4 people are commenting constitutes "everyone"...

And OmniGrub fails to see how the FOUNDING FATHERS were very anti-government.

The entire purpose of the Constitution is to LIMIT GOVERNMENT and PROTECT INDIVIDUALS -- specifically the Bill of Rights.

Being against your government becoming a tyrannical, fascist and oppressive Swamp might sound "anti-government" to the naive, but to me it sounds pro-liberty.

As for police, I know many people who have firsthand experience being screwed by Cops.  They use their power to corrupt the system against the ordinary citizens, and without direct evidence to support a complaint the Cops normally prevail.  Judges and Police Chiefs hold the presumption that Cops have no motivation to lie about a case they bring.  The Cop who stops a car they say is speeding has no axe to grind with that specific driver, so the benefit of the doubt is always with the Cop.  The driver has a motive to lie -- getting out of the ticket & fine.

Name another profession that requires body cameras while on duty.  Could it be because Cops can't be trusted to tell the truth about an arrest that they caused to escalate, or in which they used excessive force?  Obviously, we have enough doubt in their integrity that video is needed to get to the truth.  Nobody else I know of is under that kind of scrutiny.

I don't include all Cops, but as the saying goes:  Power corrupts.  And Cops have the power of the state and the legal systems behind them.  Lots of people challenge police officer's authority today.  That can really piss-off the officers who believe citizens should simply comply without question in all cases.

It's not about anti-Cop or anti-government.  It's about anti-absolute-power.  No government or government agency should have that -- ever.

And OmniGrub fails to see how the FOUNDING FATHERS were very anti-government.

The entire purpose of the Constitution is to LIMIT GOVERNMENT and PROTECT INDIVIDUALS -- specifically the Bill of Rights.

Being against your government becoming a tyrannical, fascist and oppressive Swamp might sound "anti-government" to the naive, but to me it sounds pro-liberty.

As for police, I know many people who have firsthand experience being screwed by Cops.  They use their power to corrupt the system against the ordinary citizens, and without direct evidence to support a complaint the Cops normally prevail.  Judges and Police Chiefs hold the presumption that Cops have no motivation to lie about a case they bring.  The Cop who stops a car they say is speeding has no axe to grind with that specific driver, so the benefit of the doubt is always with the Cop.  The driver has a motive to lie -- getting out of the ticket & fine.

Name another profession that requires body cameras while on duty.  Could it be because Cops can't be trusted to tell the truth about an arrest that they caused to e...scalate, or in which they used excessive force?  Obviously, we have enough doubt in their integrity that video is needed to get to the truth.  Nobody else I know of is under that kind of scrutiny.

I don't include all Cops, but as the saying goes:  Power corrupts.  And Cops have the power of the state and the legal systems behind them.  Lots of people challenge police officer's authority today.  That can really piss-off the officers who believe citizens should simply comply without question in all cases.

It's not about anti-Cop or anti-government.  It's about anti-absolute-power.  No government or government agency should have that -- ever.

that's because omni is anti-intelligence...

I have been debating about posting in this thread.

I don’t trust our government. It does not mean I hate it. I hate some aspects about the present administration. And I trust this administration a lot less than the last one. But I believe my distrust of the government is a healthy distrust. This is compared of course to those here who blindly trust our government and believe most or all they are told. I think hate is a very strong word and only those who have trouble controlling their anger would probably use that word. Otherwise I suspect that if someone really did hate our government they would move to a country where they would not hate living under government control.

As far as despising the police I feel pretty much the same way as I do about the government. While growing up I smoked a lot of weed. And I smoked and bought a lot from this guy who lived across the street from me in high school. He had 20 or so cop friends that dropped by all the time to smoke with him. Some were narcotics cops. I learned that while I did not trust them, I also learned they were not out to bust me for smoking and buying weed from their friend. I would say I have a healthy distrust of the police. And after some of the interaction I have had with police over the years I realize that in some cases they are doing their job as much as they hate/like what they do. And some of my distrust is due to the laws that they uphold. Those laws are written by our politicians. Not defending cops in any way. Just saying that I don’t anger easily. I control my anger so I don’t say stupid things in forums like some here do. Hate? Despise? Too strong of words for me to use here. But I do distrust cops immensely.

I have been debating about posting in this thread.

I don’t trust our government. It does not mean I hate it. I hate some aspects about the present administration. And I trust this administration a lot less than the last one. But I believe my distrust of the government is a healthy distrust. This is compared of course to those here who blindly trust our government and believe most or all they are told. I think hate is a very strong word and only those who have trouble controlling their anger would probably use that word. Otherwise I suspect that if someone really did hate our government they would move to a country where they would not hate living under government control.

As far as despising the police I feel pretty much the same way as I do about the government. While growing up I smoked a lot of weed. And I smoked and bought a lot from this guy who lived across the street from me in high school. He had 20 or so cop friends that dropped by all the time to smoke with him. Some were narcotics cops. I learned that while I did not trust them, I also learned they were not out to bust me for smoking and buying weed from their friend. I would say I have a healthy distrust of the police. And after some of the interaction I have had with police over the years I realize that in some cases they are doing their job as much as they hate/like what they do. And some of my distrust is due to the laws that they uphold. Those laws are written by our politicians. Not defending cops in any way. Just saying that I don’t anger easily. I control my anger so I don’t say stupid things in forums like some here do. Hate? Despise? Too strong of words for me to use here. But I do distrust cops immensely.

My first choice of word would be "repudiate" when I talk about cops, but
too many people would have to look that one up.
Not many people read Faulkner.
It does seem to be a common theme,
the old farts here don't like cops or the government.
so we have much in common, besides losing our guns while out fishing.

that's because omni is anti-intelligence...

If they were so anti government they wouldn't have made a government.   You sure sound smart.   


They were anti bad oppressive government....

i fail to see how a thread where 3 or 4 people are commenting constitutes "everyone"...

So far I am the only one who posted support.  My position remains correct.  Everyone else so far have not posted support. 

#focus

Many years ago I thought I might like being
a cop. I took classes, and went on ride alongs.
I soon discovered that I did not have the temperament required
to be a "good" cop, so I became an engineer so I didn't have to deal with
so many idiots, just a few.
I have seen the worst side of cops you can imagine.
but there are two areas they are necessary
one is this

https://noqreport.com/2021/03/06/nypd-bodycam-video-shows-why-cops-are-always-on-edge/

The other is DUI busts.
Outside of that all cops do is clean up the mess that people make out of life.
Aloha.

Disagreements aside, I read somewhere that studies of cops show that many appear to suffer from PTSD by the end of their career, not because of single traumatic events but extended periods of heightened alertness.