No one mentioned yet, the smaller your car, the bigger the boto. And the bigger the car, the smaller the boto.

My high school QB, who was also the most popular guy in school drove a small European mini type of POS, like pre 1980's. So tiny that 1 day 4 linemen moved his car by dragging/picking it up.

Not proven in court. #fakenews

The disposal of EV batteries will be a huge problem. Used up batteries cannot be dumped into a land fill. The batteries
will have to be packed up and shipped over seas to be reclaimed.

Once the warranty expires expect to pay thru the nose for a replacement. I have heard that it can cost up to $15k per vehicle.
Price is for parts, labor, and of course disposal of old battery pack. Tesla hopes to reduce the cost down to $5k per vehicle.

1st gen Teslas had 1 huge battery that cost about $40K and last about 6 years.. Now they have 12 smaller ones instead that cost about $1500 each that last 8 years.  So when it comes time to replacement after 8 years or so then only about 2-3 would need replacing.  Not all 12.  But Tesla also developed a newer battery that last even longer.  It's not installed in the newer vehicles yet.

I test drove a Geo Metro while car shopping in the mid 80s.  I can't see how anyone who test drove that thing bought it!  Not only can you not see over the car handle of the traffic beside you, if you get hit, you'd barely register as a bug on the other driver's force of impact.

Then I drove the "new" Hyundai Excel and Fiat Rigata.  Both felt like the Geo -- made out of aluminum foil.  The surprise is how much the Fiat cost (3 times the Geo).  Safety has always been a concern with every car I bought.  I settled on a new Mazda B2000 pickup for $7,000 that included A/C and other "extras" -- like the left side mirror!   

Needless to say, as we venture into the world of Japanese mini vehicles and Smart Car vehicles, the memories of those 1980 cars make me say, "No!" right off the bat.

Might as well ban all cars and give everyone a Segway...   

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Tesla is coming out with a cheaper model like in the $20K range that's comparable to a VW bug.  And SUV wise, Toyota should be coming out with their EV SUV next year. There are a bunch of SUV's coming out next year that are EV. VW, Toyota, KIA, BMW.

The Tesla Cyber truck is rumored to be end of this year, but they've been saying that for 2 years now so I wouldn't count on that. 

Irony is greenie commies scream about the need to recycle everything but only 10% of a lithium battery can be reclaimed. Ever watch videos of dirt poor Mexicans or Indians combing thru landfills for tech scraps to turn them in hoping they found their boss a couple micrograms on gold tipped terminals? Imagine those poor folks now having to dig in Hazmat unprotected for a couple grams of battery material.

as a hobby I harvest 18650 cells and recently built a 52v 17.5 ah pack for my ebike. I took apart (2) Lyft ebike battery packs and had to discard the old plastic casings, nickel strips and faulty BMSs. It was a lot of work but the cells were still good. I also have a hybrid car. You'd think I'm a tree hugger but I am not. I'm just fascinated with the technology - and I dislike driving large vehicles - it feels like a chore.

With that said, I can't imagine anything "green" about current battery technology. Only if we had Mr Fusion and a flux capacitor....I think some Millennials think that it is real...

1st gen Teslas had 1 huge battery that cost about $40K and last about 6 years.. Now they have 12 smaller ones instead that cost about $1500 each that last 8 years.  So when it comes time to replacement after 8 years or so then only about 2-3 would need replacing.  Not all 12.  But Tesla also developed a newer battery that last even longer.  It's not installed in the newer vehicles yet.

I think the S and X models still use the 18650 cell. Interesting though is that Tesla patented cell level fusing using an ultrasonic bonding process. With my current pack, I use cell level fusing but not wire bonded. I used precut nickel strips that were rated at 8 amps and pulse welded them to the cells. Another thing to consider about batteries is their characteristics. A lithium cell whether ion or poly doesn't endure deep discharges well. Wear on lithium cells is affected by charge cycles and storage voltage. In other words, don't store them at 100% for extended periods. Rule of thumb is: Charge them to 80-90% and don't run them lower than 40% for long life (generally).

as a hobby I harvest 18650 cells and recently built a 52v 17.5 ah pack for my ebike. I took apart (2) Lyft ebike battery packs and had to discard the old plastic casings, nickel strips and faulty BMSs. It was a lot of work but the cells were still good. I also have a hybrid car. You'd think I'm a tree hugger but I am not. I'm just fascinated with the technology - and I dislike driving large vehicles - it feels like a chore.

With that said, I can't imagine anything "green" about current battery technology. Only if we had Mr Fusion and a flux capacitor....I think some Millennials think that it is real...

I have nothing personal against EVs, I love all vehicles, tools, contraptions and devices. I just don't buy into the myth that they are the answer to the world's problem. I certainly don't think the government have ever been able to force innovation via legislation. Obamas cash for clunkers and wasted Solyndra billions prove that. Automakers have been working on EV and Hydrogen cars most of my lifetime, the market will determine when those technologies are viable.

Watching Dems claim they will remove all gas cars off the road in 10 yrs while they buy up gobs of Tesla stock before passing those bills Tells you everything you need to know about their true motivation and it ain't the planet.


In the 2nd grade I was promised we would all be in flying cars by the year 2000, still hasn't worked out yet and not for lack of trying.

I think the S and X models still use the 18650 cell. Interesting though is that Tesla patented cell level fusing using an ultrasonic bonding process. With my current pack, I use cell level fusing but not wire bonded. I used precut nickel strips that were rated at 8 amps and pulse welded them to the cells. Another thing to consider about batteries is their characteristics. A lithium cell whether ion or poly doesn't endure deep discharges well. Wear on lithium cells is affected by charge cycles and storage voltage. In other words, don't store them at 100% for extended periods. Rule of thumb is: Charge them to 80-90% and don't run them lower than 40% for long life (generally).

Thats whats cool about teslas, they recommend dont pass 90% and u can set ur charge to stop at 90%, even if plugged in for 2 weeks. Can do from inside the car or your phones tesla app.

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2022 Ford Lightning base model MSRP is around $40k. Add options and you're in the $50k range
Get the King Ranch or Platinum model, now you are $90k+

2022 Ford Lightning base model MSRP is around $40k. Add options and you're in the $50k range
Get the King Ranch or Platinum model, now you are $90k+

Going by Fords past track record with the lastest Ranger, the new EV truck will not come out til a couple years after they claim and will sell for WAY over the MSRP for the first year + because they will slow roll production to hype demand.

Irony is greenie commies scream about the need to recycle everything but only 10% of a lithium battery can be reclaimed. Ever watch videos of dirt poor Mexicans or Indians combing thru landfills for tech scraps to turn them in hoping they found their boss a couple micrograms on gold tipped terminals? Imagine those poor folks now having to dig in Hazmat unprotected for a couple grams of battery material.

Incorrect a large percentage of lithium from batteries is now possible to be reclaimed.


https://www.waste360.com/recycling/how-li-cycle-technology-retrieves-95-lithium-battery-content

Incorrect a large percentage of lithium from batteries are now possible to be reclaimed.


https://www.waste360.com/recycling/how-li-cycle-technology-retrieves-95-lithium-battery-content

is that sentence in English?

is that sentence in English?

Negative. 

And when someone uses a relative term like "large percentage", it makes me think the person either doesn't know the actual amount, or they are trying to hide an insignificant number using an ambiguous, undefined quantity.  How "large" is that "percentage?"  Would 33% be large?  Compared to what?

But, that's how he rolls normally, so no surprise.

is that sentence in English?

Eh, one company can recycle a small fraction of the toxic waste. Proof cuz

Negative. 

And when someone uses a relative term like "large percentage", it makes me think the person either doesn't know the actual amount, or they are trying to hide an insignificant number using an ambiguous, undefined quantity.  How "large" is that "percentage?"  Would 33% be large?  Compared to what?

But, that's how he rolls normally, so no surprise.

takes 1 second to look at the link, dont even need to open it.  They print it out in the headlines just for people like you flapp 

Eh, one company can recycle a small fraction of the toxic waste. Proof cuz

The story says they can retrieve 95% of "Lithium Battery Content".  There's more content in batteries than Lithium.

After the material is shredded, the mechanical components are separated to include copper, aluminum and plastics.
Then comes the wet chemistry process to separate materials such as nickel, cobalt and lithium.

I have no idea what percentage of any car battery is Lithium compared to other components.  So, the 90% number might mean that most of it is not Lithium, and only a small amount of the Lithium is actually recovered.

Difficult to tell from OG's "source" (i.e. Google search result).

takes 1 second to look at the link, dont even need to open it.  They print it out in the headlines just for people like you flapp 

Read my other post.  It explains how uninformative your link is. 

Maybe if they wanted us to know the actual amount of Lithium material recovered that is useful as a battery, they would state that amount?

Not there.

I visited Tesla owner websites and here is what I found:
Battery replacement cost per model

S = $12-15k

X = $14K +

Y = $11-13K

3 = $13K     Replacing only the defective module cost: $5-7K, So says Elon Musk.

I think I will pass on a Tesla. 

video on battery life

Not proven in court. #fakenews

So if not proven in court, does that mean they don't exist!

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Guys dont spook OG, they actually tried to google and sorta even did a little reading, thats a noticeably improvement over just making stuff up.