withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea? (Read 153706 times)

omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #120 on: August 16, 2021, 01:16:03 PM »
Might wanna turn on a non Cable MSM channel you Moron, even ABC has stopped carrying Biden water and is reporting all this crap.

As soon as the MSM starts actually fact checking Biden and Psaki this charade is gonna crater.

Meh I aint saying Biden did good on this.  Don't think any president would have a good outcome.  Not Biden,  not Trump.  But it happened under Bidens time so its his fault.  Just get it over with and leave that shithole.   Let china have a run at next.  Maybe they will break the curse. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #121 on: August 16, 2021, 01:17:53 PM »
Never said it was,  just pointing the hypocrisy and if I have to google for you,  the other way should be valid too.

You just got done saying in another post how not the believe in the media but if the article is in your favor, believe away....

Hypocrisy?

OMFG!  Look who's slinging the hypocrite label around!

You'd rather argue about a source without actually reading the article than debate the details of the article with counter information and sources.

Typical trolling, lazy, ignorant hypocrite.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #122 on: August 16, 2021, 01:25:04 PM »
Apparently they had some air worthy aircraft.
They all flew to to Uzbekistan according to report.
(A crap load. Doesn’t say all.)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-afghan-soldiers-fled-over-171621567.html

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #123 on: August 16, 2021, 01:32:14 PM »
Goalpost mover and Serial liar, no wonder he has a Super Fan here.

Today - 'I was NEVER in favor of nation building'

Yesterday-  “Helping Afghanistan become self-sustaining is going to be a monumental task. It's going to take up to a decade, and more blood will be spilled and more treasure will be spent. But I think it's important”

- Joe Biden, 2008


https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1427377546824458245

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #124 on: August 16, 2021, 01:35:11 PM »
Post speech Biden did not go to the White House, he headed back to his Camp David vacation. 

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #125 on: August 16, 2021, 01:39:23 PM »
Post speech Biden did not go to the White House, he headed back to his Camp David vacation.
They had ice cream waiting. . .

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #126 on: August 16, 2021, 01:42:15 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1427412355307106309

Study Finds 92% Of Taliban Are Happy They Voted For Biden

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #127 on: August 16, 2021, 01:44:35 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1427412355307106309

Study Finds 92% Of Taliban Are Happy They Voted For Biden


Fake news. Google next time. oh wait...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #128 on: August 16, 2021, 01:48:14 PM »
Post speech Biden did not go to the White House, he headed back to his Camp David vacation.

Biden retreats to Camp David retreat after Afghanistan retreat.

In a nutshell.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #129 on: August 16, 2021, 02:01:42 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1427375320466870280

Biden Demands Whoever The President Is Take Full Responsibility For This Mess

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #130 on: August 16, 2021, 02:12:18 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/osama-bin-laden-wanted-to-kill-obama-so-biden-would-be-president-declassified-docs-show.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Usama bin Laden wanted to kill Obama so 'totally unprepared' Biden would be president, declassified docs show

groveler

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #131 on: August 16, 2021, 02:41:39 PM »
I would say the difference between nam and a-stan is that our goal was to get Al-Quada/Bin Laden., since we were attacked.  Which we did. So the exit strategy should have been after we got Laden.  Guess the US also tried to gamble and also fix/implement a government as well and decided to stay longer.  Now we are seeing what is happening.  They also gambled in Syria with Asaad and lost that.

Same went with Iraq, once we got Sadaam, perfect exit time. Screw trying to help them form a gov and all other stuff.  This also saves face.  We got the head guys, now we're out.  We are not the world police or responsible to help other countries grow a the cost of US lives.  TBH, we should not have entered Iraq to begin with either due to the WMD fake news.  Iraq never attacked the US to warrant another war.  The Gulf War, Kuwait was asking for our help (they're an ally), so a little more understandable with that one.

1 of my friends was in A-stan. Luckily he never lost anyone there.  But he did lose a wife to Jody.  So he's pretty pissed.
There are about three guys on this site that know what Jody is.

I'm one of those guys that reads the Constitution.  Except for having to react quickly
to an emergency, Only wars that are legal are ones declared by Congress, and
signed into law by the president.
Anything less is not legitimate.  Even at he end of WWII it took a year or so for
Congress to repeal that declaration of war passed in 1941.
War is serious and must be treated that way.  It is supposed to be the very last option,
we have made it too easy,  that needs to cease.
 :grrr:

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #132 on: August 16, 2021, 03:04:04 PM »
Problem with just chopping off the head and leaving is the Psychotic Iron Man who kept his boot on everyone's neck now has all his Sicario scumbags running around like Ronin.  The biggest meanest ones carve out a fifedom and become local warlords and then you have a hundred mini hells on earth instead of one Dictator shitshow.

Hillary making sure Qaddafi got prison shanked in a ditch turned that place into a medieval hellmouth with open air slave markets.


There really is no solution to these kind of problems other than stay out of other people's business.

aaronc5362

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #133 on: August 16, 2021, 03:07:27 PM »
Dunno if this was mentioned but my friend who is in the army and another friend who was in the navy said usually they leave weapons (usually broken, or in bad condition) wherever they are stationed overseas cause it costs more to bring back to the states than to buy new weapons.

Logically i would think its cheaper to bring back weapons... 1 person carries 1 rifle/ pistol. But they both said i was wrong. And they were different group of friends. So i got info from 2 diff sources.

They told me this many many years ago, but i never asked bout mortars, pallets upon pallets of ammo or hummers or a friggin helicopter, so idk bout those.. Yeah i saw the news reports on youtube. Those m16s or ar15s look in pretty decent condition. If they just took the bcg out or lower receivers then it wouldve been good. The weapons that once protected those people are really slaying them now. So sad.

To me it seems planned. 20 year anniversary of 9/11 is coming up. They fully armed the Taliban. Im sure domestic terrorists are feeling good right now, since the taliban took kabul and like 99% of Afghanistan. They might do something this year maybe since they feeling big headed now with their high morale.

Yesterday i watched the afghan forces who surrendered to the taliban got executed in the street. Bbc blurred it tho. But you can see people who were standing fall flat to the ground. Young boys are also getting executed.

Edit: funny. We are still in an ammo drought, yet a 3rd world country whos on the opposite side of good is flourished with ammo that couldve been ours.

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #134 on: August 16, 2021, 03:28:24 PM »
Worst administration ever.

REPORTER: "So there's no US actions being taken to prevent equipment from falling into the hands of the Taliban by destroying it or anything else?"

MAJOR GENERAL HANK TAYLOR: "I don't have the answer to that question."



https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1427401118334717957

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #135 on: August 16, 2021, 03:51:19 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1427383722597302275

Former CIA Analyst Matt Zeller: “I was appalled” by Joe Biden’s speech, it was a “lie”

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #136 on: August 16, 2021, 03:54:41 PM »
Worst administration ever.

REPORTER: "So there's no US actions being taken to prevent equipment from falling into the hands of the Taliban by destroying it or anything else?"

MAJOR GENERAL HANK TAYLOR: "I don't have the answer to that question."



https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1427401118334717957
Jokes on them, all BCG cams missing. Then said cams cost $1,000 over seas. Anyone buying many cams at once in the US is a taliban.

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QUIETShooter

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #137 on: August 16, 2021, 04:11:02 PM »
biden mentioned that his administration never foresaw how quick things would deteriorate or how fast the Taliban would take over key parts of the country.

That's so f*ckn bullshit.  The biden administration is just inept and incompetent, period.

The administration decided to pull out the troops first then figure out how to evacuate the US civilians and Afghan supporters.

It should have been the other way around.

biden also said the situation in Afghanistan is different than what happened in the ending days of Vietnam.

The chilling images of helicopters lifting people off the building in Saigon is remembered by many to this day.

The image of that Chinook helicopter on the building in Afghanistan is like Deja Vu.

This is why biden's approval rating is at an all time low.  It's not even a question of whether we should pull out of Afganistan.  It's more the inept and incompetent handling of how the US is pulling out of Afghanistan that is disgusting the citizens of the United States.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #138 on: August 16, 2021, 04:17:50 PM »
Bidens approval still higher than Trump

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

No matter what he loses on this.   But I think in the coming years when we are out and China takes over the useless war people will thank him and Trump.  Breakups are hard.   Afghanistan is just like a broken relationship.  It's time to let go.  It ain't easy.

macsak

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #139 on: August 16, 2021, 05:20:12 PM »
Bidens approval still higher than Trump

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

No matter what he loses on this.   But I think in the coming years when we are out and China takes over the useless war people will thank him and Trump.  Breakups are hard.   Afghanistan is just like a broken relationship.  It's time to let go.  It ain't easy.

so the polls you are citing, do they take into account the things that happened YESTERDAY?
i'd like to see you revisit this in a month or two...