withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea? (Read 153798 times)

oldfart

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #380 on: August 25, 2021, 09:27:54 AM »
Warning  Don't click if fatal NDs are something you'd rather not see.

Maybe leaving all those weapons wasn’t a terrible idea after all


https://mobile.twitter.com/ArtValley818_/status/1430207844167655424
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Required viewing for the next safety affidavit class.
What, Me Worry?

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #381 on: August 25, 2021, 10:54:50 AM »
https://amgreatness.com/2021/08/25/former-green-beret-rep-mike-waltz-says-state-dept-checkpoint-at-kabul-airport-has-turned-away-american-citizens/

Former Green Beret Rep. Mike Waltz Says State Dept. Checkpoint at Kabul Airport Has Turned Away American Citizens

ren

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #382 on: August 25, 2021, 11:58:26 AM »
Warning  Don't click if fatal NDs are something you'd rather not see.

Maybe leaving all those weapons wasn’t a terrible idea after all


https://mobile.twitter.com/ArtValley818_/status/1430207844167655424

Wonder how many hours of training did he get? Did he ever go to the range? Was he just a hobbyist/collector prior to this tragedy?.
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aletheuo137

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #383 on: August 25, 2021, 01:58:05 PM »
Tucker Carlson exposes Lindsey Graham voting history

https://rumble.com/vlokjh-tucker-carlson-exposes-lindsey-grahams-voting-history.html

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #384 on: August 25, 2021, 02:07:35 PM »
Tucker Carlson exposes Lindsey Graham voting history

https://rumble.com/vlokjh-tucker-carlson-exposes-lindsey-grahams-voting-history.html

Voting records are used for political talking points.  We all should understand that

-- 95+ % of the time, our "representatives" vote along party lines.

-- 4.5 % of the time, they vote for state-specific issues that affect their constituents in opposition of their party, and

-- .5 % or less of the time, they actually vote as they believe (i.e. the way we hoped they would vote when elected).

To bash anyone in Congress for their voting record as if it demonstrates hypocrisy or incompetence is being naive.  We elect party members, not individual representatives.  Any Congress-critter that routinely votes in opposition of their party will likely be "primaried" and replaced with a more obedient party member.  If the contrarian survives the primary, they can count on less campaign finance support from the party and PACs than they received previously.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

It's a vicious catch 22 -- Can't vote your values unless you get elected.  Unlikely to get elected/reelected if you vote your values.

Not much wiggle room left for honesty, integrity or "representing the constituents".
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #385 on: August 25, 2021, 02:13:59 PM »
Laura Ingraham Pushes Republicans To Investigate ‘Joe’s Secret Taliban Deal’

https://conservativebrief.com/ingraham-pushes-49329/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=SG

Fox News host Laura Ingraham suspects that President Joe Biden may have cut some sort of “secret deal” with the Taliban in order to allow U.S. military and diplomatic personnel to get American civilians and allies out of the country ahead of the Aug. 31 deadline.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #386 on: August 25, 2021, 02:27:17 PM »
Laura Ingraham Pushes Republicans To Investigate ‘Joe’s Secret Taliban Deal’

https://conservativebrief.com/ingraham-pushes-49329/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=SG

Fox News host Laura Ingraham suspects that President Joe Biden may have cut some sort of “secret deal” with the Taliban in order to allow U.S. military and diplomatic personnel to get American civilians and allies out of the country ahead of the Aug. 31 deadline.

Until the Congress is GOP-controlled, I don't see "Republicans investigation" anything to do with Biden going beyond a hearing -- if that.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #387 on: August 25, 2021, 03:11:33 PM »
Voting records are used for political talking points.  We all should understand that

-- 95+ % of the time, our "representatives" vote along party lines.

-- 4.5 % of the time, they vote for state-specific issues that affect their constituents in opposition of their party, and

-- .5 % or less of the time, they actually vote as they believe (i.e. the way we hoped they would vote when elected).

To bash anyone in Congress for their voting record as if it demonstrates hypocrisy or incompetence is being naive.  We elect party members, not individual representatives.  Any Congress-critter that routinely votes in opposition of their party will likely be "primaried" and replaced with a more obedient party member.  If the contrarian survives the primary, they can count on less campaign finance support from the party and PACs than they received previously.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

It's a vicious catch 22 -- Can't vote your values unless you get elected.  Unlikely to get elected/reelected if you vote your values.

Not much wiggle room left for honesty, integrity or "representing the constituents".
The problem goes clear back to when America was formed.  It's success was dependent on
men being honorable and morally ethical.
Only Male landowners over the age of 25 could vote.
That system worked.
The one we have today has and is failing.
I have ":mine" but the younger generation is fucked and they voted for it.
let them live in their soil.
I will not suffer with them.
Nice thing about being an well off old fart, you don't have to care
anymore.
That old Serenity prayer thing.
 :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: August 25, 2021, 03:17:15 PM by groveler »

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #388 on: August 25, 2021, 04:05:16 PM »
WTF ???

https://mobile.twitter.com/TravelGov/status/1430667319508938753

Travel - State Dept

#Afghanistan: Due to threats outside the Kabul airport, US citizens should avoid traveling to the airport and avoid airport gates unless you receive instructions to do so. Those at the Abbey Gate, East Gate, or North Gate now should leave immediately.

aletheuo137

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #389 on: August 25, 2021, 04:15:36 PM »
Voting records are used for political talking points.  We all should understand that

-- 95+ % of the time, our "representatives" vote along party lines.

-- 4.5 % of the time, they vote for state-specific issues that affect their constituents in opposition of their party, and

-- .5 % or less of the time, they actually vote as they believe (i.e. the way we hoped they would vote when elected).

To bash anyone in Congress for their voting record as if it demonstrates hypocrisy or incompetence is being naive.  We elect party members, not individual representatives.  Any Congress-critter that routinely votes in opposition of their party will likely be "primaried" and replaced with a more obedient party member.  If the contrarian survives the primary, they can count on less campaign finance support from the party and PACs than they received previously.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

It's a vicious catch 22 -- Can't vote your values unless you get elected.  Unlikely to get elected/reelected if you vote your values.

Not much wiggle room left for honesty, integrity or "representing the constituents".
They pushed through 33 judges with Graham's vote while this debacle goes on.

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omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #390 on: August 25, 2021, 04:20:15 PM »
Voting records are used for political talking points.  We all should understand that

-- 95+ % of the time, our "representatives" vote along party lines.

-- 4.5 % of the time, they vote for state-specific issues that affect their constituents in opposition of their party, and

-- .5 % or less of the time, they actually vote as they believe (i.e. the way we hoped they would vote when elected).

To bash anyone in Congress for their voting record as if it demonstrates hypocrisy or incompetence is being naive.  We elect party members, not individual representatives.  Any Congress-critter that routinely votes in opposition of their party will likely be "primaried" and replaced with a more obedient party member.  If the contrarian survives the primary, they can count on less campaign finance support from the party and PACs than they received previously.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

It's a vicious catch 22 -- Can't vote your values unless you get elected.  Unlikely to get elected/reelected if you vote your values.

Not much wiggle room left for honesty, integrity or "representing the constituents".

I agree for once.  This is why "Parties" are horrible.  I refuse to part of this bullsh*t.  Neither side is good.  Democrats are bad.  Republicans are bad.  If only there were more independents. 

omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #391 on: August 25, 2021, 04:22:11 PM »
The problem goes clear back to when America was formed.  It's success was dependent on
men being honorable and morally ethical.
Only Male landowners over the age of 25 could vote.
That system worked.
The one we have today has and is failing.
I have ":mine" but the younger generation is fucked and they voted for it.
let them live in their soil.
I will not suffer with them.
Nice thing about being an well off old fart, you don't have to care
anymore.
That old Serenity prayer thing.
 :thumbsup:

That's not how democracy works.  Sounds like Islamic rules.  If you are not a child, your only requirement to vote should be citizenship.

macsak

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #392 on: August 25, 2021, 04:45:32 PM »
That's not how democracy works.  Sounds like Islamic rules.  If you are not a child, your only requirement to vote should be citizenship.

swoooooosssssshhhhhh

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #393 on: August 25, 2021, 10:08:41 PM »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9928133/Car-bomb-threat-forces-Kabul-airport-CLOSE-citizens-345-seater-plane-leaves-empty.html

Car bomb threat forces State Dept to CLOSE Kabul airport to US citizens

Jimmy Carter at least tried to send SEALs in to get our hostages, Biden is either going to try and buy them like Obama, or pretend they all wanted to stay and live under the Taliban.

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #394 on: August 25, 2021, 10:14:18 PM »
A week ago its was 'We didnt know the country was going to fall that fast'.

Today 'We have been telling everyone for months to get out of the country now!'


Who buys this horse shit.

Biden administration’s position is that if you’re an American stuck in Afghanistan behind Taliban lines, it’s...your fault, not theirs.


https://twitter.com/thejcoop/status/1430736085903097865

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #395 on: August 26, 2021, 05:54:55 AM »
Reports of car bombs / suicide bombers going off at Gates to Kabul Airport. Good job Joe.

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #396 on: August 26, 2021, 08:02:36 AM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/breaking-4-us-soldiers-killed-3-wounded-twin-blasts-kabul-airport-biden-abandons-americans-afghanistan/

4 US Soldiers Killed, 3 Wounded in Twin Blasts at Kabul Airport After Biden Abandons Americans in Afghanistan

hvybarrels

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #397 on: August 26, 2021, 08:41:43 AM »


Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

groveler

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #398 on: August 26, 2021, 08:45:20 AM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/breaking-4-us-soldiers-killed-3-wounded-twin-blasts-kabul-airport-biden-abandons-americans-afghanistan/

4 US Soldiers Killed, 3 Wounded in Twin Blasts at Kabul Airport After Biden Abandons Americans in Afghanistan

I was not an Commissioned officer in the military.
I was a NCO, rank of SSGT.  I'm truly offended by the lack of
action by the official "Gentlemen by an act of Congress" in this matter.
You are supposed to accomplish the mission, take care of ALL
your people, and no one is left behind.
In the Democrats Military all they worry about is keeping their
politically correct jobs.  Disgusts me.
 :grrr:

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #399 on: August 26, 2021, 09:20:00 AM »
And yesterday Biden laughed about the Afghan Exit.

'81 million 'people have blood on their hands now.

Pentagon-connected source tells me as many as 13 U.S. service members are now believed killed, 20 troops wounded, 10 in critical condition.


https://mobile.twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1430954831611633667