withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea? (Read 153653 times)

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #720 on: September 17, 2021, 12:24:49 PM »
So still no NODS, or like equipment on ebay. 

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #721 on: September 17, 2021, 12:33:47 PM »
So still no NODS, or like equipment on ebay.

Ebay default is US sellers . Probably need to click World Wide in search filter.

eyeeatingfish

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #722 on: September 17, 2021, 10:08:29 PM »
In your opinion?

That is not a matter of opinion. Either we left them equipment or we didn't. The equipment that the Taliban got their hands on was Afghan army equipment.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #723 on: September 18, 2021, 12:02:33 AM »
That is not a matter of opinion. Either we left them equipment or we didn't. The equipment that the Taliban got their hands on was Afghan army equipment.

Did you not watch the Rand Paul video?

Afghanistan did not pay us for the weapons and equipment.  Unless they reimbursed us for them, they remain US weapons and equipment provided for their use -- nothing more.

When US forces left, they took as much of the heavy weapons and munitions as they could.  So, I guess we were stealing weapons from the Afghanis??

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #724 on: September 18, 2021, 07:04:19 AM »
Did you not watch the Rand Paul video?

Afghanistan did not pay us for the weapons and equipment.  Unless they reimbursed us for them, they remain US weapons and equipment provided for their use -- nothing more.

When US forces left, they took as much of the heavy weapons and munitions as they could.  So, I guess we were stealing weapons from the Afghanis??

Do you have the lease agreement?   You know the government gives away free shit all the time.   You think we charge for foreign aid?

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #725 on: September 18, 2021, 07:46:35 AM »
OMG, some stupid shit being posted this morning.  Been trying to ignore, but this one takes the taco. . .

Foreign aid is complex and simple in many regards.  Hint, its not about money, or at least in the way some think.  Some is partially about how US messed up in the past. 

aletheuo137

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #726 on: September 18, 2021, 08:57:00 AM »
OMG, some stupid shit being posted this morning.  Been trying to ignore, but this one takes the taco. . .

Foreign aid is complex and simple in many regards.  Hint, its not about money, or at least in the way some think.  Some is partially about how US messed up in the past.
You can't fix stupid!

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omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #727 on: September 18, 2021, 09:51:57 AM »
OMG, some stupid shit being posted this morning.  Been trying to ignore, but this one takes the taco. . .

Foreign aid is complex and simple in many regards.  Hint, its not about money, or at least in the way some think.  Some is partially about how US messed up in the past.

That was just an example.  We are giving away free vaccines now.  There are many instances of the government donating things or giving things "away". 

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #728 on: September 18, 2021, 09:57:57 AM »
Do you have the lease agreement?   You know the government gives away free shit all the time.   You think we charge for foreign aid?

That was just an example.  We are giving away free vaccines now.  There are many instances of the government donating things or giving things "away". 
Is the convo about vaccines?

Question, kinda serious. Do you think before you run your mouth? Take a few minutes and actually think before you respond…or at least try…

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #729 on: September 18, 2021, 10:06:09 AM »
Is the convo about vaccines?

Question, kinda serious. Do you think before you run your mouth? Take a few minutes and actually think before you respond…or at least try…
The problem is he does and his post are the best he can come up with.

Deflection tactic being used. Talking about military equipment and foreign aid, and he brings up free vaxxes so he can be right about something. Like when he repeats what you post after being wrong about a topic, so he can feel like he is taking credit for being right about something.

Our taxes are paying for the vaxx. So he is still wrong. Only free to those with zero income (bums) and like individuals.

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drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #730 on: September 18, 2021, 10:10:45 AM »
The problem is he does and his post are the best he can come up with.

Deflection tactic being used. Talking about military equipment and foreign aid, and he brings up free vaxxes so he can be right about something. Like when he repeats what you post after being wrong about a topic, so he can feel like he is taking credit for being right about something.

Our taxes are paying for the vaxx. So he is still wrong. Only free to those with zero income (bums) and like individuals.

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I know you are, but what am I?  ???  ::)

Yeah, I get it.  Others get it.  Want him to start to try to get it. 

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #731 on: September 18, 2021, 10:11:58 AM »
I know you are, but what am I?  ???  ::)

Yeah, I get it.  Others get it.  Want him to start to try to get it.
He never will. Thats why i stopped responding, no matter how dumb his post are. Plus halo, battlefield and COD coming out soon.

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omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #732 on: September 18, 2021, 10:22:20 AM »
The problem is he does and his post are the best he can come up with.

Deflection tactic being used. Talking about military equipment and foreign aid, and he brings up free vaxxes so he can be right about something. Like when he repeats what you post after being wrong about a topic, so he can feel like he is taking credit for being right about something.

Our taxes are paying for the vaxx. So he is still wrong. Only free to those with zero income (bums) and like individuals.

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Someone's not following the topic.... it's free for the nation's we give things to.  Obviously it's not free to us.   The whole point of this convo was to explain to flapp that not every county that gets things from us has to give us money.   And that we don't lease everything
 😕

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #733 on: September 18, 2021, 10:25:51 AM »
Someone's not following the topic.... it's free for the nation's we give things to.  Obviously it's not free to us.   The whole point of this convo was to explain to flapp that not every county that gets things from us has to give us money.   And that we don't lease everything
 😕
And my point to you that it’s not about the money. Or lease… wake up. There’s lots you don’t know and aren’t even open to that FACT…

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #734 on: September 18, 2021, 10:26:49 AM »
He never will. Thats why i stopped responding, no matter how dumb his post are. Plus halo, battlefield and COD coming out soon.

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Ya, I’m done. TV is out, but gonna find something else to do. Maybe vacuum the house. Haha

macsak

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #735 on: September 18, 2021, 12:18:00 PM »
That was just an example.  We are giving away free vaccines now.  There are many instances of the government donating things or giving things "away".

goalposts moved...

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #736 on: September 18, 2021, 12:24:51 PM »
goalposts moved relocated to Uranus...

FIFY

omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #737 on: September 18, 2021, 12:32:24 PM »
goalposts moved...

Do you have the lease agreement?   You know the government gives away free shit all the time.   You think we charge for foreign aid?


Nope try again.

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #738 on: September 18, 2021, 12:36:08 PM »
I would say someone is a glutton for punishment.  But not can punish what isn't "feelz" or "belivez". . .

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #739 on: September 18, 2021, 01:56:02 PM »
Someone's not following the topic.... it's free for the nation's we give things to.  Obviously it's not free to us.   The whole point of this convo was to explain to flapp that not every county that gets things from us has to give us money.   And that we don't lease everything
 😕

First, if you can't spell "country" correctly, then you don't get to explain anything to me or anyone else.

Second, EEF was trying to make a technical point -- that once we gave equipment to Afghanistan, that stuff ceased to be "US equipment."

That's 100% wrong.  The Afghan forces may have possession of it and use it, but it will remain US equipment because that's who provided it.

Military arms are different than vaccinations.  We can never take back vaccines which were administered, but we could take any stock that hadn't been used.  "

Most arms are maintained in armories until issued to someone.  I don't know if the armories are US or Afghani maintained and secured, but it doesn't matter much.  If the arms were never issued, we'd have every right to take them, reallocate them to another country, or destroy them.

Again, if we bought it and we provided it, then the equipment is still "US equipment," no matter its disposition after delivery.  We have every right and responsibility to keep weapons we provided out of the hands of our enemies.  To do the opposite is not being good stewards of US tax payer funding.

You're arguing like it's a personal property dispute.  Not even close. 

If someone stumbles on a cache of automatic weapons in Mexico after a cartel compound is raided, and if the weapons were made in the US, the news would read, "US Weapons Discovered in Mexican Cartel Raid."

It's a simple concept that apparently simple minds want to argue over.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw