You're a TDS-riddled idiot.  That's the only explanation for most of your posts.

Trump started WHAT?  The 20-year war in Afghanistan?  LOL!

Biden was VP under Obama, both of whom promised to end the wars in the Middle East.  The Iraq withdrawal was a failure.  Was Biden not paying attention?  Did he not learn what NOT TO DO?

Biden was so busy undoing everything Trump did, what makes you think Trump didn't have a plan -- and Biden threw it in the trash with everything else Trump did?

So, if Biden didn't get a plan handed down from Trump, it's now on Biden for not creating one in the months leading up to the withdrawal.  Again, this is not the first battle front Biden was involved with pulling troops out of.  He knew what to expect, what to do better than before, etc.  To pretend it's not his responsibility and failure, and Trump somehow caused it, is just too idiotic to entertain.

Not that you amuse me .... like a clown.

Trump started the withdrawal.... and if I recall correctly more time of the withdrawal happened during his time.   I literally said in the last sentence neither president is to blame....

Lrn2read

BDS is real.  It's hilarious that all those who rage on TDS do the same stuff in Bidens name.   After all fuck Joe biden... right?  I mean we got a dedicated thread for it.   

I mean the man can't even eat ice-cream without those with BDS attacking.   

*sarcasm*  TDS and BDS are not really things.

No.  Biden was supposed to assess the situation, which he and his military and national security people did.  They concluded that after the US withdrawal, the Taliban would take over.  What they got wrong was the "within 2-12 months after we leave" part. 

So, don't make up stories about what he should have done based on no facts.  The facts support the conclusion that we should have started months ago moving that equipment to other places -- if not the the US, then to other Middle Eastern countries we regularly use for shipments, such as Turkey and Saudi Arabia.  Get all the advanced and heavy weaponry out of there, leaving just enough for the Afghani forces to use if necessary. 

You don't leave your stash where the bad guys can get it especially when you know the bad guys are on their way.

Biden had the time to plan.  This entire retreat was handled like a total rookie.  Very telling as to what Joe's been doing his half century in office -- coercing countries by withholding aid money to help his son, taking his son on AF Two to make Chinese business deals, ...

Was flapps weed wacker stolen or was it eef's weed wacker that was stolen?

His ex boss supplied weapons to the mexican cartel (fast and the furious). Now biden lets the taliban have weapons.



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That is just not a realistic plan. So the US military was supposed to tell the Afghan army that we didn't have any faith in them so we wanted them to return all their weapons to us. Did you think through the implications?
What happens when you strip all these tools from the Afghan army? Are they going to give them up freely?
How much faster does the Taliban take over with a stripped Afghan army?
What happens when you don't even give the Afghans a chance to fight the Taliban even if you think they will lose?
What happens when all of our other allies see us take all this equipment back?

The only realistic situation would be to have never given them equipment in the first place.

If we are going to arm another army there is always a risk that the equipment can be lost to the enemy. We gave the Afghan army the equipment plain and simple, it was their equipment. Suggesting Biden gave it to Taliban is just Biden Derangement Syndrome in action.

I dealt with foreign national military in South Korea, Thailand, and Saudi Arabia.  You're making deductions based on no direct knowledge or experience.

I know how the process works.  If we have troops there, we maintain control of everything we provide unless it's issued to a foreign military member.  We then transfer it to them directly.  They are required to come back to us for repairs, replacements, and parts.  We have foreign nationals assigned to work with us to do those jobs.

If we just offloaded pallets of equipment and had some unknown quartermaster sign for it, the stuff would be on the black market that same evening.

Doesn't at all mean Biden gave the Taliban weapons.

I know how the process works.  If we have troops there, we maintain control of everything we provide unless it's issued to a foreign military member.  We then transfer it to them directly.

I think we transferred a lot of this stuff to a foreign military member. The Afghan military. Directly.
And they dropped and abandoned that shit and ran. Or turned around and joined the Taliban with their equipment. Or got killed.
Don’t get me wrong, we left a lot of our own crap and the withdrawal was a clusterfawk.

This is in part summarized in GAO-17-667R

162,643 pieces of communications equipment – inc:
75,256 VHF radios e.g. Datron PRC-1070/1777 and HH7700
66,439 non tactical radios e.g. Motorola GM360, CODAN NGT SRx, AR-8200
13,464 HF radios – e.g. Codan 2110 manpack, Datron RT-7000
5,777 multiband raios – e.g. Harris RF5800M and RF-7850
2,107 ulta and super HF radios e.g. – Harris RF-7800W and Johnson APCO-25

75,898 military vehicles – inc:
42,604 light tactical vehicles -cargo trucks pick ups – Ford Rangers
22,174 Humvees – ambulance, cargo, troop enclosure and gun truck variants
8,998 MTVs – MTV international, 5 ton cargo and general transport trucks
1,005 recovery vehicles – Navistar 7000MV and M1249 wrecker
928 MRAPs – MRAP maxxpro, anbulance and combat variants
189 APCs – M113A2 and M577A2

599,690 Weapons inc:
358,530 rifles – M16, M4, AK47 Dragunov sniper rifle
126,295 pistols – M9 and G19
64,363 machine guns – M249, M240, RPK and NSV(12.7mm)
25,327 grenade launchers – M203 and GP-25/30
12,692 shot guns – M500, M590a1 and M870
9,877 RPG – RPG-7 and SPG-9
2,606 indirect fire weapons – 60mm mortar, 82mm mortar and D-30 122mm howitzers

29,681 EOD
13,265 ECMs – Symphony and Pipper
13,367 mine detectors – VMH3CS and CMD
1,093 combat robots
1,101 EOD suits
496 mine rollers
359x-ray systems – RTR4-L

16,191 pieces of surveillance and reconnaissance equipment
16,035 NODS inc PVS14, PVS7, ANVIS-6 and ANVIS-9
120 radio monitoring systems – wolfhounds
22 ground based towers – Aerostat IDT
8 scan eagles
6 surveillance ballons – Aerostat

208 Aircraft
110 helicopters – inc Mi17, MD-530
60 transport aircraft – C208, C182, C130, T182, G222, AN32
20 Light attack planes – A29
18 intelligence, reconnaissance and surveillance planes – PC12
(with full weapons systems and munitions)
UH60 were part of the forward looking program for ANDSF – the number delivered (if any is unclear)

And that proves ?
Are you saying we didn’t directly transfer a LOT of crap to the Afghan military ?
And that’s wild. We left AK47 dragunov rifles but didn’t issue them to Afghans ?
And the link doesn’t say what was Afghan issued.

Except the link in your link indicates we isssued them a crap load of stuff.
https://news.usni.org/2017/08/11/document-gao-report-u-s-equipment-afghan-forces

If we have troops there, we maintain control of everything we provide unless it's issued to a foreign military member.  We then transfer it to them directly.  They are required to come back to us for repairs, replacements, and parts.  We have foreign nationals assigned to work with us to do those jobs.

Yeah, I already got wrapped around that axle.
We call it "Quibbling."  Just because one word or fact is arguably inaccurate, they want to say the entire statement is now false. 

Even if transferred and then the A-stan army messed up, 1 knew what would have happened and weapons/equipment would fall into the hands of the Tali.  Same reason why we didn't give the Taliban a whole lot of Stingers when they were fighting the Russians.  We gave as needed. 

Should we left the A-stan army defenseless, that's the hard question. How much do you give knowing they would disapear and weapons fall into the wrong hands.  I'm no military expert, but since we left lots of NODs behind, now the IR's on our rifles would be dangerous to use if we ever go back. Then why  give M4's, SAWS, 240s, etc..when the equivalent is plentiful.  Ak's, RPKs, RPGs, etc...

So what do you think the US should have done? If we never armed them in the first place then they definitely wouldn't have stood a chance and we would have had to stay their defending them forever or basically handed the country directly over to control of the Taliban. There was definitely a high risk the Taliban would take some of the arms but I just don't see a realistic alternative unless we had just never invaded in the first place.

I remember hearing an interview about the shoulder launched missles we gave to the Taliban. As they explained it the missles to a specific battery which had a shelf life so they weren't supposed to be able to be used against us later. I question whether some basic electrical engineering couldn't have easily overcome that problem. But that is another topic.