WTF? There is no reasonable way you can arrive at that conclusion from my post. All I did was question whether we should allow someone to testify about the victim being a good person and somehow you jump to guilty until proven innocent? 

I'm actually giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
It's possible the reason you always seem to be leaning towards the side of statism/authoritarianism could be underdeveloped or suppressed empathy traits.
Lack of empathy is disturbingly common these days, and many institutional cultures work very hard to train empathy out of their work force.

Military flight surgeon LTC. THERESA LONG M.D. is blowing the whistle on blood clots/other vax symptoms that are grounding our pilots and air crews.
So much for operational effectiveness. The good news is that nobody has crashed due to a bad vax reaction yet. This is very concerning especially in heavily populated areas like Oahu.

https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/09/affidavit-of-ltc-theresa-long-m-d-in-support-of-a-motion-for-a-preliminary-injunction-order/

36. I personally observed the most physically fit female Soldier I have seen in over 20 years in the Army, go from Collegiate level athlete training for Ranger School, to being physically debilitated with cardiac problems, newly diagnosed pituitary brain tumor, thyroid dysfunction within weeks of getting vaccinated. Several military physicians have shared with me their firsthand experience with a significant increase in the number of young Soldiers with migraines, menstrual irregularities, cancer, suspected myocarditis and reporting cardiac symptoms after vaccination. Numerous Soldiers and DOD civilians have told me of how they were sick, bed-ridden, debilitated, and unable to work for days to weeks after vaccination. I have also recently reviewed three flight crew members’ medical records, all of which presented with both significant and aggressive systemic health issues. Today I received word of one fatality and two ICU cases on Fort Hood; the deceased was an Army pilot who could have been flying at the time. All three pulmonary embolism events happened within 48 hours of their vaccination. I cannot attribute this result to anything other than the Covid 19 vaccines as the source of these events. Each person was in top physical condition before the inoculation, and each suffered the event within 2 days post vaccination. Correlation by itself does not equal causation, however, significant causal patterns do exist that raise correlation into a probable cause; and the burden to prove otherwise falls on the authorities such as the CDC, FDA, and pharmaceutical manufacturers. I find the illnesses, injuries and fatalities observed to be the proximate and causal effect of the Covid 19 vaccinations.

Military flight surgeon LTC. THERESA LONG M.D. is blowing the whistle on blood clots/other vax symptoms that are grounding our pilots and air crews.
So much for operational effectiveness. The good news is that nobody has crashed due to a bad vax reaction yet. This is very concerning especially in heavily populated areas like Oahu.

https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/09/affidavit-of-ltc-theresa-long-m-d-in-support-of-a-motion-for-a-preliminary-injunction-order/

She will be silenced with gag order...

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all this vax vs non-vax narratives are just to divide us. Simple.

Keep it simple silly!

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I'm actually giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
It's possible the reason you always seem to be leaning towards the side of statism/authoritarianism could be underdeveloped or suppressed empathy traits.
Lack of empathy is disturbingly common these days, and many institutional cultures work very hard to train empathy out of their work force.

Problem is that you are making false assumptions. I don't even lean towards authoritarianism. I would resist vaccine mandates even if the virus killed 25% of anyone who caught it and the vaccine was 100% effective merely for the fact that they would order people to take it.

What I do in discussing and thinking about a contentious issue is to look at it from both sides, to see the pros and cons of the arguments from both sides. It is easy to go tribal and fall prey to group think when someone doesn't see both sides of an issue. The thought experiments are not designed to sway you, they are designed to get you to see the other side. You don't have to agree with the conclusion but at least you can understand the opposition. Just like how vaccine skeptics aren't heartless selfish people, people wanting to pressure others to get the vaccine aren't authoritarians. I don't have to agree with my opponents conclusions but understanding their reasoning is going to give me a more accurate view instead of the demonizing style attack arguments that ignore the truth.

Sometimes you have to set aside empathy to see the logic or illogic of an argument and you see to have trouble seeing that doing so doesn't indicate a person's stance on an issue. It is interesting that you bring up empathy because as I see it both sides can make empathetic arguments. Empathy could lead someone to support vaccine mandates and lead another to oppose them.

Have you ever debated yourself over an issue? I mean really consider an argument for something you stand for and then trying to think of a counter argument? Then a rebuttal and a counter rebuttal?

I find it interesting you have a strong objection to the questions I proposed. Does that mean you arrived at a conclusion that you didn't like?

What I do in discussing and thinking about a contentious issue is to look at it from both sides, to see the pros and cons of the arguments from both sides. It is easy to go tribal and fall prey to group think when someone doesn't see both sides of an issue. The thought experiments are not designed to sway you, they are designed to get you to see the other side. You don't have to agree with the conclusion but at least you can understand the opposition. Just like how vaccine skeptics aren't heartless selfish people, people wanting to pressure others to get the vaccine aren't authoritarians. I don't have to agree with my opponents conclusions but understanding their reasoning is going to give me a more accurate view instead of the demonizing style attack arguments that ignore the truth.

Wow, no gaslighting going on in that statement! 

This isn't just a one-off for you. I have been around long enough to remember your previous suggestions that we give up some gun rights now so that they don't take away more later.

"Common Sense" "Be REASONABLE" "Our Leaders Care About You" blah blah blah

It's pretty clear to anyone paying attention that you have chosen a side, and it's not the one of freedom and individual liberty.

Saruman's voice was not hypnotic but persuasive. Those who listened to
him were not in danger of falling into a trance, but of agreeing with his
arguments, while fully awake. It was always open to one to reject, by free
will and reason, both his voice while speaking and its after-impressions.
Saruman corrupted the reasoning powers. - Tolkein

https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/hawaii-health-officials-urge-vigilance-with-32-of-population-not-fully-vaccinated/

So the good news is if you have not gotten the shot (or got the first one and had nasty side effects that make you want to skip the rest) then you have plenty of company.

Don't let anyone try to pressure you into doing it by making you think it's just a handful of crazies still holding out.

Sooner or later as jabs wear off governments like ours will cancel passports in order to mandate boosters

Hopefully by then more people realize they were sucked in by a high powered marketing campaign and will have become more aware of the true risk/benefit ratios

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4

Wow, no gaslighting going on in that statement! 

This isn't just a one-off for you. I have been around long enough to remember your previous suggestions that we give up some gun rights now so that they don't take away more later.

"Common Sense" "Be REASONABLE" "Our Leaders Care About You" blah blah blah

It's pretty clear to anyone paying attention that you have chosen a side, and it's not the one of freedom and individual liberty.

Reasonable questions posed to make you think objectively about the issue are not gaslighting. If you see someone who is a moderate (me) and think they are someone on the far left then I don't know what to say to you. Rather comments that accuse people who support vaccine requirements as authoritarian are more closer to gaslighting.

https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/hawaii-health-officials-urge-vigilance-with-32-of-population-not-fully-vaccinated/

So the good news is if you have not gotten the shot (or got the first one and had nasty side effects that make you want to skip the rest) then you have plenty of company.

Don't let anyone try to pressure you into doing it by making you think it's just a handful of crazies still holding out.

Sooner or later as jabs wear off governments like ours will cancel passports in order to mandate boosters

Hopefully by then more people realize they were sucked in by a high powered marketing campaign and will have become more aware of the true risk/benefit ratios

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02532-4

When they approve a vaccine for kids under 12, that ineligible number is going to almost disappear

Singapore approaches disaster as vaccination rate exceeds 80%

Its almost like it in waves despite vaxx status.

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some of us have known about Farr's Law since summer 2020...

Its almost like it in waves despite vaxx status.

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When they approve a vaccine for kids under 12, that ineligible number is going to almost disappear

No shit, Sherlock!

Care to tell us how many of the under 12 group will not opt into the vaccination?  Closing schools showed a lot of parents how they can easily homeschool and improve their kids' education over the crappy indoctrination public schools force feed them.

No shit, Sherlock!

Care to tell us how many of the under 12 group will not opt into the vaccination?  Closing schools showed a lot of parents how they can easily homeschool and improve their kids' education over the crappy indoctrination public schools force feed them.

The problem is parents are back to work now. So staying home with the kids are harder. So vaxx due to parents having to work. Basically, one again being forced.

Nothing wrong with making life difficult. Freedom to choose ones own difficulty level of life/daily activities.

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The problem is parents are back to work now. So staying home with the kids are harder. So vaxx due to parents having to work. Basically, one again being forced.

Nothing wrong with making life difficult. Freedom to choose ones own difficulty level of life/daily activities.

Many parents work and home school nights and weekends.  Nothing in the requirements say the hours spent learning have to be "normal school hours".

When you eliminate student body assemblies, cultural visits, and other non-instructive time, the students at home can read on their own (just like in many classes), do their homework, complete their reports and projects -- all while the parents work.  And with today's computer based training (CBT) products, all the parents may have to do is help with the harder lessons and check their progress.

If they really need help, the family can hire a tutor to act both as a teacher and sitter.  Then there's the home school groups who have one home teaching several kids, and the families help the homeschooling parent with expenses.  Think of all the public school fees those parents are saving to offset the homeschool expenses.

I know a family with 5 kids -- all home schooled by their stay-at-home mom and a father making the salary of a local church pastor plus whatever other employment he could find to fit into his schedule.  When you sacrifice things you don't need, you can get the things you want.

As long as the curriculum follows state-mandated guidelines, and the students can pass the tests, the format of the home school isn't set in stone.

No shit, Sherlock!

Care to tell us how many of the under 12 group will not opt into the vaccination?  Closing schools showed a lot of parents how they can easily homeschool and improve their kids' education over the crappy indoctrination public schools force feed them.

Who shoved a stick up your butt today?

Singapore approaches disaster as vaccination rate exceeds 80%

I wonder if they can determine how much of that rise is change in people's behaviors and change in test rates.
So for example if people get vaccinated and then stop making, stop washing their hands as much, and start gathering indoors again?

There is just so much data coming out about covid it is hard to digest what it all means and it is so easy to present data in a way that could mislead people to false understandings.

Who shoved a stick up your butt today?

That's your response?

 

Who shoved a stick up your butt today?

I don't know what you were trying to do making such a comment, but it seemed to me you were trying to draw attention to something that doesn't have any significance.

"When they approve a vaccine for kids under 12, that ineligible number is going to almost disappear."

To be precise, when the government moves the under-12 population from "ineligible" to "eligible", "that ineligible number is" not "going to almost disappear." It will completely disappear.  Under 12 is the only ineligible category mentioned in the story, and in fact, it's the only group the CDC says in "ineligible."

207,482 will be moved to the "Eligible" category.   That's all.  The total will remain the same. 

As the "formerly ineligible" get vaccinated, the total will, of course, decline, but that will take time.  Nothing "disappears" except an accounting category.

But, that's obvious....

 

I wonder if they can determine how much of that rise is change in people's behaviors and change in test rates.
So for example if people get vaccinated and then stop making, stop washing their hands as much, and start gathering indoors again?

There is just so much data coming out about covid it is hard to digest what it all means and it is so easy to present data in a way that could mislead people to false understandings.

I doubt that Singaporeans will suddenly change their c19 safety habits (stop hand washing or social distancing) that drastically.

But one thing that can be inferred from the data is that the public policy premise to “vaccinate everyone to stop c19” doesn’t hold true.  The same can be said from looking at Israel’s data.

If our public policy of stopping covid is based on this same premise (vaccinate everyone), then it is a failure of our policy makers to look at the data and actually keep the public safe.

Instead, why not look at alternative public policy strategies that has worked for dealing with C19, such making alternative early treatments available like they did Ivermectin in India?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10/dr-campbell-reveals-reason-behind-indias-ivermectin-blackout/