The big part is that you might have to go the HPD only once to acquire a firearm. If this goes through, you only go to HPD to apply for the permit to acquire and that's it.

YUKUTAKE v. CONNERS.
In this Lawsuit, Hawaii Firearms Coalition Director Todd Yukatake and gun store owner David Kikukawa filed a suit against the Honolulu Police Department (HPD) and Hawaii Attorney General Clair Conners (the State) challenging parts of Hawaii's registration law.
HPD quickly settled part of the lawsuit, agreeing to extended hours on Wednesday nights for permits and registrations (starting October 17th) as well as the e-mail/ of permits to acquire directly to the gun stores for those acquiring pistols. This is in addition to already mailing rifle permits to the applicant's home address.
Today ruling against the State eliminates the ten-day expiration period of pistol permits. This means that a permit is no longer limited to just ten days from the date of issue and allows a person a more workable time frame to pick up their firearm from a gun store. 
Secondly, the ruling also eliminated the requirement that an individual physically brings a firearm to the police station to register.  This means that if the police departments follow the ruling as clearly intended, a person will be able to obtain and register a firearm with a single trip and should go as follows;

1)You complete your permit to acquire at the police station.
2)The police department mails you your permit or sends it to the gun store.
3)You pick up your firearm and take it home while the seller notifies the police department of the transaction.
4)The police department mails you your registration form. 

Now, of course, some or all the states police departments might not play ball and might put some really bad policies in place to continue their anti-gun ownership agenda, and if they do, well, we will deal with that when it happens.

The big part is that you might have to go the HPD only once to acquire a firearm. If this goes through, you only go to HPD to apply for the permit to acquire and that's it.

YUKUTAKE v. CONNERS.
In this Lawsuit, Hawaii Firearms Coalition Director Todd Yukatake and gun store owner David Kikukawa filed a suit against the Honolulu Police Department (HPD) and Hawaii Attorney General Clair Conners (the State) challenging parts of Hawaii's registration law.
HPD quickly settled part of the lawsuit, agreeing to extended hours on Wednesday nights for permits and registrations (starting October 17th) as well as the e-mail/ of permits to acquire directly to the gun stores for those acquiring pistols. This is in addition to already mailing rifle permits to the applicant's home address.
Today ruling against the State eliminates the ten-day expiration period of pistol permits. This means that a permit is no longer limited to just ten days from the date of issue and allows a person a more workable time frame to pick up their firearm from a gun store. 
Secondly, the ruling also eliminated the requirement that an individual physically brings a firearm to the police station to register.  This means that if the police departments follow the ruling as clearly intended, a person will be able to obtain and register a firearm with a single trip and should go as follows;

1)You complete your permit to acquire at the police station.
2)The police department mails you your permit or sends it to the gun store.
3)You pick up your firearm and take it home while the seller notifies the police department of the transaction.
4)The police department mails you your registration form. 

Now, of course, some or all the states police departments might not play ball and might put some really bad policies in place to continue their anti-gun ownership agenda, and if they do, well, we will deal with that when it happens.

Or they will abide by the decision…..and take10 years to “implement” it…..

Congrats on the win!
Question: Is this gonna be troublesome for private sellers?

What I still don’t understand is why you need to provide the make, model and serial number of the handgun before getting a PTA. Why can’t it be like rifles/shotguns.  With all the information provided during the PTA, what is the reason for needing a second trip for registration.  HPD can give you the registration at the same time as the PTA.  Hawaii gun system doesn’t make any sense.


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Full ruling:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.hid.146729/gov.uscourts.hid.146729.107.0.pdf

Pursuant to the parties’ Stipulation, ECF No. 106, and Federal Rule of
Civil Procedure 58(b), entry of separate judgment in this action will be delayed
until September 15, 2021. The Order shall not take effect and shall not be
appealable until the separate judgment is entered. The Clerk’s Office shall not
close the case file at this time.

Well done by Yukutake et al.  Hope to see positive movement soon.  A big  and please keep up the good fight.

To those who have yet to contribute or support in your own way, please look to so do.  Todd and others in this lawsuit and others have day jobs and put their "extra" time, energy, and $$$ into this.  We should all help in however we can.  I've met many of them and they very active in the shooting community, where we can support in other ways than $$$. 

Well done by Yukutake et al.  Hope to see positive movement soon.  A big  and please keep up the good fight.

To those who have yet to contribute or support in your own way, please look to so do.  Todd and others in this lawsuit and others have day jobs and put their "extra" time, energy, and $$$ into this.  We should all help in however we can.  I've met many of them and they very active in the shooting community, where we can support in other ways than $$$.

We need more people on the Zoom calls. MDA is starting to show up.  On average, there were about 7 pro 2a per call. Which is very low considering it can be done anywhere.  Even Todd was on the calls and had to take a short break from work.  I mean he wasn't sitting on the toilet, but something similar. Pre HIFICO, there were about 6 in persons at the hearings. Precovid easily 30-90 depending on the bill. And that was in person. So to only get  7 or so on a zoom is sad. IMO.  But testimonies increased by a lot.  So that's good.

We shall see how HPD interprets the judgement.

Well done by Yukutake et al.  Hope to see positive movement soon.  A big  and please keep up the good fight.

To those who have yet to contribute or support in your own way, please look to so do.  Todd and others in this lawsuit and others have day jobs and put their "extra" time, energy, and $$$ into this.  We should all help in however we can.  I've met many of them and they very active in the shooting community, where we can support in other ways than $$$.

 

What I still don’t understand is why you need to provide the make, model and serial number of the handgun before getting a PTA. Why can’t it be like rifles/shotguns.  With all the information provided during the PTA, what is the reason for needing a second trip for registration.  HPD can give you the registration at the same time as the PTA.  Hawaii gun system doesn’t make any sense.

There's no science or logic behind the desire to treat handguns and long guns differently in the law.  The rationale is that handguns are more concealable and easier to carry than long guns making them more of a threat to the public than long guns.  Statistically, more crimes are committed with handguns, so if you believe reducing the number of guns publicly owned will reduce crimes, accidents and suicides, then that's where you have to focus gun laws to impede ownership if you're going to have an impact.

Having stricter rules for handguns gives the illusion that more is being done to curtail handgun crime -- even when there's no real benefit to asking for more information on the weapon when applying for a permit.

There is a national database for firearms which may be sought in connection with crimes: stolen guns, guns used to shoot someone, etc.  I know HPD checks that list when someone registers guns they brought to Hawaii from another state.  Perhaps the application information on the permit app is used to check that list as well?

It's obvious the state sees handguns as a much greater threat than long guns, simply based on the fact you can buy unlimited long guns for 12 months without another background check, but handguns require a complete check with each purchase.

Perception -- that's the bottom line in my opinion.

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Perception -- that's the bottom line in my opinion.

Yup.  Feelings, not (necessarily) backed up by facts.  The requirement for training made it into the HRS, so until that gets removed/revised.  Provides a false sense of security. 

Yup.  Feelings, not (necessarily) backed up by facts.  The requirement for training made it into the HRS, so until that gets removed/revised.  Provides a false sense of security.

That is why the judge ruled the way that he did. The state could not provide evidence that any of the process helps.

That is why the judge ruled the way that he did. The state could not provide evidence that any of the process helps.

Next we'll have CCW.  Then once you have CCW, you can just buy and take home same day. 

Damn, I'd better start saving up $$$. . .   

Next we'll have CCW.  Then once you have CCW, you can just buy and take home same day. 

Damn, I'd better start saving up $$$. . .   

STI...

STI...

How many of them? 

Go big or go home. . . 

Next we'll have CCW.  Then once you have CCW, you can just buy and take home same day. 

Damn, I'd better start saving up $$$. . .   

I don’t think we will get CCW.  However we should get open carry.  History has shown, citizen open carried muskets and for those rich gentlemen flint lock pistol.  They didn’t hide anything back then.


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I don’t think we will get CCW.  However we should get open carry.  History has shown, citizen open carried muskets and for those rich gentlemen flint lock pistol.  They didn’t hide anything back then.


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Uh, that was mostly a playful post. . .

Open carry eh?  There's a bunch of threads on that here.  Check um, go check um, go.   

I don’t think we will get CCW.  However we should get open carry.  History has shown, citizen open carried muskets and for those rich gentlemen flint lock pistol.  They didn’t hide anything back then.

Open vs. Concealed?

We're just trying to get out the front door with it!  The rest is just details....   

Uh, that was mostly a playful post. . .

Open carry eh?  There's a bunch of threads on that here.  Check um, go check um, go.   

Not too sweet. Not too rancid. But jus’ right.

Todd is awesome.