Religion (Read 72992 times)

omnigun

Re: Religion
« Reply #80 on: August 21, 2021, 03:41:11 PM »


That's a hypothetical conclusion that has never been proven is all of history.

It's arrogance that makes you think that everything you know today won't change 1,000 years from now.  Scientists discover new things and disprove old theories all the time.

It only took a few decades to prove Global Cooling and Global Warming were alarmist junk science.  Those "scientific facts" would not have been "exactly the same in 1,000 years."

You like to cling to what is known and pushed as science, but you don't embrace the key, fundamental tenet that makes up what science represents:  That we are to question everything and view results with skepticism, not as some immutable fact that can never be altered.

Funny how the same people screaming "SCIENCE!" think gender and sex are merely social constructs, even though they have been viewed as a scientific fact since recorded history.  Yet, nothing we know today will change 1,000 years from now?

Just like religion, popular scientific knowledge evolves over time.  Saying science won't change in 10 more centuries ignores the enormous changes that occurred in just the last 80 years.

In 1889, Charles H. Duell was the Commissioner of US patent office. He is widely quoted as having stated that the patent office would soon shrink in size, and eventually close, because, “Everything that can be invented has been invented.”

Shortsighted arrogance & ignorance.

No matter the path science leads to the same universal facts and truths.   The path there might look different but the end result is the same.   It's also repeatable.  Two people can find the same fact.   You can experiment to prove it,  it's not reliant on blind faith.   

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Religion
« Reply #81 on: August 21, 2021, 04:03:45 PM »
No matter the path science leads to the same universal facts and truths.   The path there might look different but the end result is the same.   It's also repeatable.  Two people can find the same fact.   You can experiment to prove it,  it's not reliant on blind faith.

Christianity has been around for over 2,000 years.  Like science, it has also evolved and been changed with the times.  But the underlying, universal truths that comprise the religion remain the same.

Two people can search for the answers to life's philosophical questions and find the same conclusions.  You can apply these principles to actual real world situations and prove they work with repeatable results.  Many principles are captured in simple terms, like "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar," or "you can't see the forest for the trees."  Not to be taken literally, but to teach truths about the human condition.  These truths haven't changed much over centuries.

I see no difference in the 2 processes, other than YOU have faith in one hypothetical premise, and not the other.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Religion
« Reply #82 on: August 21, 2021, 04:12:02 PM »
Christianity has been around for over 2,000 years.  Like science, it has also evolved and been changed with the times.  But the underlying, universal truths that comprise the religion remain the same.

Two people can search for the answers to life's philosophical questions and find the same conclusions.  You can apply these principles to actual real world situations and prove they work with repeatable results.  Many principles are captured in simple terms, like "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar," or "you can't see the forest for the trees."  Not to be taken literally, but to teach truths about the human condition.  These truths haven't changed much over centuries.

I see no difference in the 2 processes, other than YOU have faith in one hypothetical premise, and not the other.

It has evolved over time like science that is true.   But would "god" allow that?   I thought it was perfect from the beginning.  Religion was used for morality.  It still is.   But it still is stuck in the past.  As if science was based on flat earth.  With today's technology we can disprove many of religions teachings.  Religion can't do the same.   

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Religion
« Reply #83 on: August 21, 2021, 04:36:01 PM »
It has evolved over time like science that is true.   But would "god" allow that?   I thought it was perfect from the beginning.  Religion was used for morality.  It still is.   But it still is stuck in the past.  As if science was based on flat earth.  With today's technology we can disprove many of religions teachings.  Religion can't do the same.

Once again, you resort to hypothetical straw arguments nobody else is posting.

"I thought it was perfect from the beginning."  That comment perfectly parallels your argument that "science won't change if it's lost for 1,000 years".

Science is perfect.

Religion changes.

LOL!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Religion
« Reply #84 on: August 21, 2021, 06:41:14 PM »
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

macsak

Re: Religion
« Reply #85 on: August 21, 2021, 08:00:53 PM »
i'm missing where "consensus" falls in this process...

I still laugh every time Moron says 'proven by science',  3.7 apparently didn't include any STEM.

Keep drinking that bong water buddy.


Flapp_Jackson

Re: Religion
« Reply #86 on: August 21, 2021, 08:03:03 PM »
i'm missing where "consensus" falls in this process...

And "Never changes, not even after 1,000 years without it."
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Religion
« Reply #87 on: August 21, 2021, 10:26:05 PM »
i'm missing where "consensus" falls in this process...

That's when a bunch of people come up with the same conclusion.   Then it becomes a repeatable fact.   

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Religion
« Reply #88 on: August 21, 2021, 10:57:41 PM »
That's when a bunch of people come up with the same conclusion.   Then it becomes a repeatable fact.

Just like the consensus that the Earth is flat?

Gotcha.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Religion
« Reply #89 on: August 21, 2021, 11:35:44 PM »
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

macsak

Re: Religion
« Reply #90 on: August 22, 2021, 06:22:15 AM »
That's when a bunch of people come up with the same conclusion.   Then it becomes a repeatable fact.

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omnigun

Re: Religion
« Reply #91 on: August 22, 2021, 07:00:53 AM »
Just like the consensus that the Earth is flat?

Gotcha.

Then people disproved it and it changed.  A new concensus was formed. Science improves over time. 

hvybarrels

Re: Religion
« Reply #92 on: August 22, 2021, 11:02:18 AM »
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Religion
« Reply #93 on: August 22, 2021, 12:40:44 PM »
Then people disproved it and it changed.  A new concensus was formed. Science improves over time.

But, you said science would endure for 1,000 years if rediscovered.  That means it can't change.

You can't even stick with your own BS.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Religion
« Reply #94 on: August 22, 2021, 01:08:16 PM »
But, you said science would endure for 1,000 years if rediscovered.  That means it can't change.

You can't even stick with your own BS.
We call that goal post moving.

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omnigun

Re: Religion
« Reply #95 on: August 22, 2021, 03:25:34 PM »
But, you said science would endure for 1,000 years if rediscovered.  That means it can't change.

You can't even stick with your own BS.

Not even close.   It might follow the same path. Them thinking its flat then disproven etc.  In the end the correct answer will be found.  Unlike religion.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Religion
« Reply #96 on: August 22, 2021, 03:29:08 PM »
Not even close.   It might follow the same path. Them thinking its flat then disproven etc.  In the end the correct answer will be found.  Unlike religion.

Total BS.

100% hypothetical mumbo-jumbo that can't be proven.

Sounds like your science is a lot like religion.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: Religion
« Reply #97 on: August 22, 2021, 05:19:51 PM »
We call that goal post moving.

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Can we even find the goalpost?

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mrgaf

Re: Religion
« Reply #98 on: August 22, 2021, 05:53:04 PM »
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

hvybarrels

Re: Religion
« Reply #99 on: August 22, 2021, 08:08:30 PM »
Take that, science!


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