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mrgaf

Re: Religion
« Reply #100 on: August 23, 2021, 05:15:58 PM »
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:! :thumbsup:
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hvybarrels

Re: Religion
« Reply #101 on: August 23, 2021, 10:05:24 PM »
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omnigun

Re: Religion
« Reply #102 on: August 25, 2021, 04:25:41 PM »



FYI this was about the "outrage" about the "demonic" shoes lilnas released.
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Glasser

Re: Religion
« Reply #103 on: August 25, 2021, 04:54:50 PM »
You really are a dumbass, the only people that were mad was Nike. No one else gave an F.

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aieahound

Re: Religion
« Reply #104 on: August 25, 2021, 08:33:29 PM »
Quote from: aieahound on August 18, 2021, 04:49:14 PM
I got an interesting story about a serpent, Satan, Adam and Eve, John the Baptist, Jesus and Mohammed and false prophets as a commandment.
Hint: if you’re the greatest deceiver the world has ever known, just keep sending false prophets. (I think John the Baptist might have been legit. Satan had to derail that shit.) Bang. Hell is filling up.

Why would I talk to the kid when I can talk to his Father. The Creator.
Point. Counter-Point. I just like to ponder counter points when I lay my head down at night and sometimes I realize I was wrong. Or a point was made I hadn’t considered.

No comments ?
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hvybarrels

Re: Religion
« Reply #105 on: August 25, 2021, 09:55:10 PM »
Quote from: aieahound on August 25, 2021, 08:33:29 PM
Why would I talk to the kid when I can talk to his Father. The Creator.

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aieahound

Re: Religion
« Reply #106 on: August 25, 2021, 10:05:01 PM »
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hvybarrels

Re: Religion
« Reply #107 on: August 25, 2021, 10:26:16 PM »
I love that scene, especially when he looks up and the rest of them do the same.
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omnigun

Re: Religion
« Reply #108 on: August 30, 2021, 10:59:31 AM »
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groveler

Re: Religion
« Reply #109 on: August 30, 2021, 02:21:12 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on August 25, 2021, 10:26:16 PM
I love that scene, especially when he looks up and the rest of them do the same.
I usually don't look up, I look over my shoulder,
at my 6.
 :thumbsup:
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omnigun

Re: Religion
« Reply #110 on: September 03, 2021, 12:42:29 PM »
Once again reminded that the satanic temple is one of, if not the best religion on earth right now

https://thesatanictemple.com/
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Religion
« Reply #111 on: September 07, 2021, 08:16:48 PM »
Quote from: omnigun on August 18, 2021, 10:30:20 AM


The problem with tossing out all values that can be associated with religion is that you end up with no argument for any values. It is impossible to separate religious values from values in society without tossing all values. Science doesn't and cannot teach us values, they cannot justify why certain laws governing morality should exist. Beliefs of right and wrong are metaphysical, they cannot exist in the realm of science.
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omnigun

Re: Religion
« Reply #112 on: September 07, 2021, 08:56:33 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on September 07, 2021, 08:16:48 PM
The problem with tossing out all values that can be associated with religion is that you end up with no argument for any values. It is impossible to separate religious values from values in society without tossing all values. Science doesn't and cannot teach us values, they cannot justify why certain laws governing morality should exist. Beliefs of right and wrong are metaphysical, they cannot exist in the realm of science.

Why can't science teach you values?  Its not beneficial for a society scientifically to have murder, rape, crime etc.  From a purely scientific viewpoint that is a hindrance to science.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2021, 09:39:51 PM by omnigun »
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macsak

Re: Religion
« Reply #113 on: September 07, 2021, 09:16:16 PM »
Quote from: omnigun on September 07, 2021, 08:56:33 PM
Why can't science teach you values? Its not beneficial for a society scientifically for murder, rape, crime etc.  From a purely scientific viewpoint that is a hindrance to science.

are either of those sentences in English?
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macsak

Re: Religion
« Reply #114 on: September 07, 2021, 09:17:06 PM »
Quote from: omnigun on September 07, 2021, 08:56:33 PM
Why can't science teach you values?  Its not beneficial for a society scientifically for murder, rape, crime etc.  From a purely scientific viewpoint that is a hindrance to science.

science has nothing to do with values...
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omnigun

Re: Religion
« Reply #115 on: September 07, 2021, 09:39:35 PM »
Quote from: macsak on September 07, 2021, 09:17:06 PM
science has nothing to do with values...

Yes it can,  you can value things that provide a good benefit for science and humans without religion...
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Glasser

Re: Religion
« Reply #116 on: September 07, 2021, 09:40:45 PM »
said the fake satanist.

Learning disability never read their literature.
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omnigun

Re: Religion
« Reply #117 on: September 07, 2021, 09:41:45 PM »
Quote from: Glasser on September 07, 2021, 09:40:45 PM
said the fake satanist.

Fake?  I havent joined the Satanic Temple yet.  I am tempted to,  or atleast donate to their cause.  Till then I officially identify as agnostic.
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Glasser

Re: Religion
« Reply #118 on: September 07, 2021, 09:43:22 PM »
Quote from: omnigun on September 07, 2021, 09:41:45 PM
Fake?  I havent joined the Satanic Temple yet.  I am tempted to,  or atleast donate to their cause.

just pierce your dong and tell your parents you hate them, same result.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Religion
« Reply #119 on: September 07, 2021, 09:46:37 PM »
"Values" are judgmental evaluations that label a specific outcome as better or worse than another outcome.

Science is unable to quantify value judgements.  Science can only tell us what "is", whereas values tell us what "ought to be."

Values are not scientific facts, because they can not be tested. 

For example, one way to judge an outcome is to look for the best "individual well-being", but another way is to look for the best "greater good."  Two different evaluations that can't be repeated or tested scientifically. 

Example:  Is it better that 5 soldiers risk their lives to rescue a hostage (individual well-being) or better to abandon the hostage rather than risk the lives of 5 soldiers.  These are value judgements that can't be resolved through any scientific or empirical method.

The people who believe science can create a "religion" and define what is right or wrong are looking at a narrow list of examples that agree with their personal moral value judgments in each case.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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