.22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations (Read 159274 times)

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #640 on: May 22, 2022, 06:53:58 PM »
Shot 6 - 5 round groups to end the day. Just shot with whatever the wind was as the time. Seems like the setting I had to start the day (lined up with 10, which was closest “0” number after tightening all the way down.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #641 on: May 22, 2022, 07:01:23 PM »
Some highlights:
1) Noted how much the rifle level can matter. Something I’ll have to keep an eye on overall, for both .22 and centerfire bolt actions.

2) More comfortable with the taller rings and after moving the scope for more natural cheekweld. I’d like to have a bit different butt pad height, but don’t think enough to invest in a different stock/chassis.

3) Winds today were switching both directions and velocity. Didn’t bring my Kestrel, but would’ve been interesting to see the wind velocity range.

Akubone1

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #642 on: May 22, 2022, 07:19:12 PM »
Some highlights:
1) Noted how much the rifle level can matter. Something I’ll have to keep an eye on overall, for both .22 and centerfire bolt actions.

2) More comfortable with the taller rings and after moving the scope for more natural cheekweld. I’d like to have a bit different butt pad height, but don’t think enough to invest in a different stock/chassis.

3) Winds today were switching both directions and velocity. Didn’t bring my Kestrel, but would’ve been interesting to see the wind velocity range.

Yup..wind was switching this morning.  To shoot groups I had to wait for the wind conditions to sort of match.  Was still able to shoot out to 100 but trying to keep groups under MOA was a challenge.  Struggled with CCI SV but SK rifle match wasn’t too bad.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #643 on: May 22, 2022, 08:17:20 PM »
Yup..wind was switching this morning.  To shoot groups I had to wait for the wind conditions to sort of match.  Was still able to shoot out to 100 but trying to keep groups under MOA was a challenge.  Struggled with CCI SV but SK rifle match wasn’t too bad.
I got there a little before noon and shot until around 2. I also tried to wait until between the periods when the wind was kicking up for when I was shooting 3 shot groups for the tuner testing. Or at least similar winds for that group. Can’t say how much was the wind and how much was me, but I was happy that the new setup showed a lot of potential.

Once I get the tuner settled for this batch of ammo, I want to try shooting 1 shot drills on smaller targets during and day where winds are like today. Practice reading the winds.

Bushido

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #644 on: May 23, 2022, 07:38:06 PM »
I got there a little before noon and shot until around 2. I also tried to wait until between the periods when the wind was kicking up for when I was shooting 3 shot groups for the tuner testing. Or at least similar winds for that group. Can’t say how much was the wind and how much was me, but I was happy that the new setup showed a lot of potential.

Once I get the tuner settled for this batch of ammo, I want to try shooting 1 shot drills on smaller targets during and day where winds are like today. Practice reading the winds.

I was there during the same time period shooting my duece dueces. There was some good conditions mixed in with the switching winds you just have to learn what to look for. When your 100y 22lr shooting in the wind becomes good, your long range centerfire shooting will go through the roof IME.

I think you spoke to my good friend about 22lr ammo, testing and expectations.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #645 on: May 24, 2022, 07:21:07 AM »
I was there during the same time period shooting my duece dueces. There was some good conditions mixed in with the switching winds you just have to learn what to look for. When your 100y 22lr shooting in the wind becomes good, your long range centerfire shooting will go through the roof IME.

Wind judgement, calls, etc is certainly not my strong suit.  Where I shoot long(er) ranges, the winds are often "switchy" and usually quite different at shooter and target (and in between) due to terrain.  That said, yeah, I'd like to get better at that on 100 yard range first.  I don't mind the wind at all.  Just part of the conditions of the day.  I would have liked a bit more calm for when I was going the tuner testing, but can do that another day.  Overall, I was quite happy with that I saw from the new barrel. 

I think you spoke to my good friend about 22lr ammo, testing and expectations.
This past Sunday?  The only guy I was chatting with was the guy next to me shooting a new barrel.  It was a carbon fiber barrel.  Interesting to see what folks' routine/regimen are. 

Bushido

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #646 on: May 24, 2022, 09:11:36 PM »
I've heard many times that shooting 22lr at 100y is similar to shooting 400y with centerfire. Those keyboard snipers that post that likely haven't shot either. The drop may be similar but the wind effect on the POI is nowhere close. Wind affects centerfire much more horizontally whereas 22lr is of course horizonal but also more vertical than centerfire. The direction is determined if you have a right hand twist (most common) or left. At Koko Head shooting on the left, center, right side of the range changes your wind hold simply because of the berms and the lay of the land. It's challenging but a great leaning opportunity. If it was easy, everyone would shoot 200-20Xs

Bushido

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #647 on: May 24, 2022, 09:18:26 PM »
Wind judgement, calls, etc is certainly not my strong suit.  Where I shoot long(er) ranges, the winds are often "switchy" and usually quite different at shooter and target (and in between) due to terrain.

This is always discussed on the "forums". Which is more important wind at shooter, midway, at target? It's all important IMO and I have my theories. The key is you have to shoot in all wind conditions to learn it.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #648 on: May 25, 2022, 08:36:47 AM »
I've heard many times that shooting 22lr at 100y is similar to shooting 400y with centerfire. Those keyboard snipers that post that likely haven't shot either. The drop may be similar but the wind effect on the POI is nowhere close. Wind affects centerfire much more horizontally whereas 22lr is of course horizonal but also more vertical than centerfire. The direction is determined if you have a right hand twist (most common) or left. At Koko Head shooting on the left, center, right side of the range changes your wind hold simply because of the berms and the lay of the land. It's challenging but a great leaning opportunity. If it was easy, everyone would shoot 200-20Xs
For my .308 and 6.5, shooting out to 600ish isn't that difficult.  I haven't shot 22lr to 100 that much yet.  I did notice the head/tail wind effects on 22lr seemed to be quite pronounced.  I definitely notice the effects and differences in head/tail winds at day 400-600 at one friend's property that I shoot at occasionally.  It switches regularly over the course of the day, even over the course of an hour. 

I was trying to "feel" the wind, as well as watching other wind indicators down range.  Luckily, there were a bunch of folks who had wind flags/streamers on their targets.  I was also watching the mirage at times. 

This is always discussed on the "forums". Which is more important wind at shooter, midway, at target? It's all important IMO and I have my theories. The key is you have to shoot in all wind conditions to learn it.
Yeah.  I've been watching a lot of stuff from long range shooters, including F-Class, about the different indicators of wind at shooter, target, and in-between.  Quite interesting theories.  That as well as POI adjustments and bracketing wind calls.  All super interesting, but like you said, all need experience in it.  Can't learn by just reading/listening.

changemyoil66

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #649 on: May 25, 2022, 08:50:46 AM »
U gotta try Bushido's "hurt your feelings" target at 50yrds.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #650 on: May 25, 2022, 09:17:59 AM »
U gotta try Bushido's "hurt your feelings" target at 50yrds.
I've shot other folks' KYL targets.  I haven't shot Bushido's one though, but I'm down.  Bring your RPR  O0

changemyoil66

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #651 on: May 25, 2022, 09:46:23 AM »
I've shot other folks' KYL targets.  I haven't shot Bushido's one though, but I'm down.  Bring your RPR  O0

And Mrs. CMO's KIDD. At the HRA open shoot, she was hitting golf ball at 35yards consistently. not bad for not doing a 50yrd zero yet.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #652 on: May 25, 2022, 12:01:26 PM »
And Mrs. CMO's KIDD. At the HRA open shoot, she was hitting golf ball at 35yards consistently. not bad for not doing a 50yrd zero yet.
???

Switched from fruit analogy. . .  :rofl:

Sounds like you have quite the "golf ball driver" then. . .  8)

changemyoil66

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #653 on: May 25, 2022, 12:27:54 PM »
???

Switched from fruit analogy. . .  :rofl:

Sounds like you have quite the "golf ball driver" then. . .  8)

It was actually a golf all.  She also got to shoot some colored water jugs cause 1 guy had a high speed camera he wanted to get some footage of. But she used her AR for this. I was surprised she got 1 shot 1 hit on a small soda bottle with just a RDS.  But then again, she kicked my ass on the VTAC board.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #654 on: May 25, 2022, 03:11:23 PM »
It was actually a golf all.  She also got to shoot some colored water jugs cause 1 guy had a high speed camera he wanted to get some footage of. But she used her AR for this. I was surprised she got 1 shot 1 hit on a small soda bottle with just a RDS.  But then again, she kicked my ass on the VTAC board.
You mean not a figurative "golf all"?  ::)  :rofl:

The colored water jugs is always interesting.  Esp if you shoot them with say HP or SP, vice FMJ.  Next time I see you, I can show you some testing we had done in the past with those with 5.56/.223. 

But VTAC board, I sense a challenge. . . :hmm:

Bushido

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #655 on: May 25, 2022, 08:20:25 PM »
The colored water jugs is always interesting.  Esp if you shoot them with say HP or SP, vice FMJ.  Next time I see you, I can show you some testing we had done in the past with those with 5.56/.223. 

So far my Varmit load doing 3400 fps produced the best results. 2 liter soda bottles unopened were very explosive. I might get the footage this weekend. I have my friend's load doing 3500 fps to try next.

Bushido

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #656 on: May 25, 2022, 08:26:11 PM »
I've shot other folks' KYL targets.  I haven't shot Bushido's one though, but I'm down.  Bring your RPR  O0

Nothing fancy but my smallest swinger is 1/8". Most are zeroed at 50y which makes it a little easier at that distance. Putting it out at random distances makes them hella challenging. Your range finder, wind calls and ballistic app has to be spot on to hit it. Many have tried and failed hence the "Hurt your feelings" nickname. I haven't been shooting precision rimfire much for a few years but recently have been knocking some rust off

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #657 on: May 26, 2022, 09:22:54 AM »
So far my Varmit load doing 3400 fps produced the best results. 2 liter soda bottles unopened were very explosive. I might get the footage this weekend. I have my friend's load doing 3500 fps to try next.
3500 fps in .223 Rem?  Gas gun?  That's humming. . .  :o

Nothing fancy but my smallest swinger is 1/8". Most are zeroed at 50y which makes it a little easier at that distance. Putting it out at random distances makes them hella challenging. Your range finder, wind calls and ballistic app has to be spot on to hit it. Many have tried and failed hence the "Hurt your feelings" nickname. I haven't been shooting precision rimfire much for a few years but recently have been knocking some rust off
1/8"?  Dayum.  I think the last time I shot a KYL target, smallest was 1/4".  Maybe slightly larger.  I'm always down to try and "let the target tell me".  But yeah, and non-std distances, one better know alot about their setup.  I'll have to chrono my 22lr ammo. 

Bushido

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #658 on: May 26, 2022, 08:22:03 PM »
3500 fps in .223 Rem?  Gas gun?  That's humming. . .  :o
Yah it's a little warm...

1/8"?  Dayum.  I think the last time I shot a KYL target, smallest was 1/4".  Maybe slightly larger.  I'm always down to try and "let the target tell me".  But yeah, and non-std distances, one better know alot about their setup.  I'll have to chrono my 22lr ammo.
LMK I'll bring them out. I'm usually in #19 never shoot off a bench.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #659 on: May 27, 2022, 09:15:59 AM »
LMK I'll bring them out. I'm usually in #19 never shoot off a bench.
Cool.  I'm down.  I'll let you know.

I would like to get my CZ dialed in a little better and get chrono data, so my feelings aren't hurt as much.   ;D