I was thinking about the number of uniform HPD that work in the PTA and Registration.  Who are, not names, these people?  Is this their actual job, rotational position, or did they get desk duty for something that they did wrong?  Not saying that I want more police in the street but it doesn’t seem right to pay them $5-6k plus benefits a month to do no stress paperwork.


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job could be done by the clerks.  they are merely double checking the info that the LGS already provided. 
actually theres no real need to even go to HPD, but this is Hawaii, so here we are   

I would say HPD would have to be there because you are handing them your gun pass the glass window. Which means it is no longer in your possession/control.  OK to do with a shotty/rifle, because you can lend it to someone for 15 days, but handgun is a no-no.   Then you run into the who is allowed to ask for your reg, which per HRS, an officer is allowed, not a cleric or state/county worker.  So while they have the reg paper, before they hand it to you, they are in possession of it.

So with that being said, if we didn't have to actually bring them in to reg, then no need them there.  Same would be on the PTA side. No firearms are even allowed at that end.

The C&C range on Maui was trying to make it a requirement to show proof of reg when there for any gun you're shooting.  They were given the HRS that states the RO or c&C worker cannot ask for the proof of reg.  They are now looking into this issue. Basically trying to find a loop hole, or staffing to have a MPD officer there all day.  The range is currently closed and has been for a while.

we could just show them the serial number through the window, no need hand them the gun
we can let others shoot our guns at the range.  we are not in control of the gun at the time they are shooting it
I've had the clerk look up my old registration papers before bc HPD lost some of my paperwork a couple times.  so clerks are looking at my registration info

You are "near/ within  control" of the person.  But if 1 were to hand someone their handgun and they go inside their home and close the door and you're outside, there may be a problem (is it lending/borrowing?).

My mistake, clerks are OK. HRS134-3 (b) toward the end:

"All registration data that would identify the individual registering the firearm by name or address shall be confidential and shall not be disclosed to anyone, except as may be required:

     (1)  For processing the registration;

     (2)  For database management by the Hawaii criminal justice data center;

     (3)  By a law enforcement agency for the lawful performance of its duties; or

     (4)  By order of a court."

you are more informed about legal issues than I am, so maybe handing it through the window would need an officer
anyways, I just wish there was an easier way to buy firearms here in Hawaii without all the back and forth to HPD, waiting in line, getting a time slot to come back to do your business, etc

Your wish is being granted.  By Dec 31 this year, HPD is required to start emailing our completed and approved Permits to Acquire.  That's one trip to HPD eliminated.

Also, the requirement to physically present a firearm to HPD for registration is being revoked.  Realistically, if you buy a gun and have to apply for a permit, there is no reason to have to go back to HPD afterward.  The registration can be automatically performed upon return of the signed permit, which may be mailed.

That's my understanding, but how HPD implements the new requirements is yet to be seen.

wow.  great news   
this applies to long guns too?

Your wish is being granted.  By Dec 31 this year, HPD is required to start emailing our completed and approved Permits to Acquire.  That's one trip to HPD eliminated.

Also, the requirement to physically present a firearm to HPD for registration is being revoked.  Realistically, if you buy a gun and have to apply for a permit, there is no reason to have to go back to HPD afterward.  The registration can be automatically performed upon return of the signed permit, which may be mailed.

That's my understanding, but how HPD implements the new requirements is yet to be seen.

Officer Del Prado was awesome.
Tall bald guy. Great sense of humor.

I want that job though.
Fondling all the newest crap and all of it really.
Shooting the shit with gun enthusiasts.
Measure a barrel, OAL, and confirm serial number and not stolen.

He was told that he needed to ship out of state, destroy, or hand it over to HPD.  Anyway…. If HPD didn’t see the gun, they wouldn’t have been able to tell him that the gun was illegal.  I was amazed they gave him options.  I thought they would just confiscate it.



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I can still see a policy where some people will have to bring in there guns for compliance.  For example Military, people moving to Hawaii, or physically bringing a gun back to Hawaii.

Story:  Last month when I was registering a pistol, I was talking to a person that just moved to Hawaii.  He had several guns, one being a SBR.  I told him that those were Illegal in Hawaii, which was confirmed by HPD.  He was told that he needed to ship out of state, destroy, or hand it over to HPD.  Anyway…. If HPD didn’t see the gun, they wouldn’t have been able to tell him that the gun was illegal.  I was amazed they gave him options.  I thought they would just confiscate it.

However, I believe everyone else that goes through a LGS/FFL should be able to do everything online or by mail.  LGS/FFL should be the responsible party to ensure only legal guns come in country.


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That was good of them.  I know a guy who got his confiscated at the window.  They filed no charges nor arrested him.  But took the gun. FFL had to go and pick it up to FFL it out of state.

That is what he told me.  It is possible HPD confiscated it and told him to have an FFL ship out of state, FFL to destroy it, or give it to HPD to dispose.

Couldn’t you just register the lower and ship/sell/give the upper?  Strip the upper and just give the barrel.  I never held a sbr but don’t they use an AR15 lower?  Stick a 16” upper receiver and now it’s legal.


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But also, confiscating SBRs, attached suppressors, bump stocks, etc....Or you could abide by the 2nd and just look the other way.