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MassConfusion

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2021, 10:48:16 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 27, 2021, 10:42:07 PM
Tell a lie long enough and it becomes the truth.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2021, 09:32:37 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 27, 2021, 10:41:09 PM
Teach a man to fish.

What do u think i mean by my statement?

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I find I have better outcomes when I ask vs when I assume, especially when done through text based communications.


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Tell a lie long enough and it becomes the truth.

The question is which one is the lie? What if we are being lied to about being lied to?
(rhetorical question)
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eyeeatingfish

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2021, 09:39:16 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on October 27, 2021, 10:05:44 PM
So, suspending the Washington Post's Twitter account for posting about the Hunter Biden laptop did nothing to influence the election?

Impossible to say for certain. Might it have swayed a few votes? Possibly. Could it have swayed enough votes to change the election? I would bet not. I think people already liked Biden enough or hated Trump enough it wouldn't have made a big difference. Plus we still manager to get the story even though Twitter tried to snuff it out.

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The excuse was the paper was reporting on facts that were obtained through "hacking," which was a lie.
They may not be able to control the flow completely, but they can slow it down enough so the impact is lessened on the powers that be.  Much of the important information is time-relevant, and afterward becomes almost meaningless.
"A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes."  Once the damage is done, it rarely matters that someone made a retraction.  Most people only read or remember the original stories.

I am in agreement with you here.

What I meant when I said it is harder than ever to control the flow of information is that the internet has given us so many more outlets now. Before the internet we had a few local news channels and 2 major news papers. Much easier to control the flow of information if one wanted before the advent of the internet and before the advent of social media.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2021, 09:41:18 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 27, 2021, 10:09:41 PM
No big surprise. You believe whatever the government and media tell you, no matter how many times they get caught lying. It's actually quite pathetic.

Not at all, I avoid the major news media sources and seek out more objective sources
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changemyoil66

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2021, 10:31:47 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 28, 2021, 09:32:37 PM
I find I have better outcomes when I ask vs when I assume, especially when done through text based communications.


The question is which one is the lie? What if we are being lied to about being lied to?
(rhetorical question)
In this case, im asking u. Assumption is fine cause i wanna know what u think. And ill let u know whether right or wrong.

Ohhh snap, lie of a lie of a lie? Like doing a 360 in The Last Action Hero scene


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2021, 12:38:22 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 28, 2021, 09:39:16 PM
Impossible to say for certain. Might it have swayed a few votes? Possibly. Could it have swayed enough votes to change the election? I would bet not. I think people already liked Biden enough or hated Trump enough it wouldn't have made a big difference. Plus we still manager to get the story even though Twitter tried to snuff it out.

MRC Poll: Big Tech Censoring Hunter Laptop Story
Is 'Election Interference'
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Nearly one-third of respondents (29.6%) said they would have been "less likely" to vote for
Biden if Big Tech had shown the truth of the Hunter Biden laptop and made the public aware
of the "evidence Joe Biden lied about his knowledge of his son Hunter's overseas business
dealings."
https://www.newsmax.com/us/media-research-center-hunter-biden-laptop-big-tech/2021/10/28/id/1042388/

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eyeeatingfish

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2021, 08:05:40 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 28, 2021, 10:31:47 PM
In this case, im asking u. Assumption is fine cause i wanna know what u think. And ill let u know whether right or wrong.

Ohhh snap, lie of a lie of a lie? Like doing a 360 in The Last Action Hero scene


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I really don't know. Start a riot just so right wing people look bad?
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eyeeatingfish

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2021, 08:11:24 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on October 29, 2021, 12:38:22 AM
MRC Poll: Big Tech Censoring Hunter Laptop Story
Is 'Election Interference'https://www.newsmax.com/us/media-research-center-hunter-biden-laptop-big-tech/2021/10/28/id/1042388/

In my opinion the Hunter laptop had credibility issues but thats another topic.
30% would have been less likely... not a very strong answer. Less likely doesn't translate into actual vote differences. Hillary claimed that Comey's announcement cost her the election as well.

Regardless, twitter trying to censor it didn't stop the story from getting out, in fact the censorship garnered even more attention for the story given the publicity it got. I f all the social media websites and news outlets censored it then I would be more worried but I don't think Twitter censoring it would have had that big a deal. Unless we have gone that downhill as a country where we get all out news from short snippets
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2021, 08:42:49 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 29, 2021, 08:11:24 PM
In my opinion the Hunter laptop had credibility issues but thats another topic.
30% would have been less likely... not a very strong answer. Less likely doesn't translate into actual vote differences. Hillary claimed that Comey's announcement cost her the election as well.

Regardless, twitter trying to censor it didn't stop the story from getting out, in fact the censorship garnered even more attention for the story given the publicity it got. I f all the social media websites and news outlets censored it then I would be more worried but I don't think Twitter censoring it would have had that big a deal. Unless we have gone that downhill as a country where we get all out news from short snippets

More than 80% of Americans say they get their news from Social Media.

And it wasn't just Twitter,  Google and FB collude with Twitter to make sure they are all censoring the same content.  If they didn't, it would bring into question why one algorithm censors a post, but the other sites didn't.

If three people say your shirt is green, you're going to suspect they may be right, even if you think it's blue.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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MassConfusion

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2021, 07:29:55 AM »
Ran across this, don't know how much of it to believe but if there is validity to it then forgive me if I say we are currently already living in a one party state. I know some people dont care for rt.

Use guns! Take back the Senate!’ Lindsey Graham called for Capitol police to SHOOT Jan 6 rioters – report
1 Nov, 2021 01:25
‘Use guns! Take back the Senate!’ Lindsey Graham called for Capitol police to SHOOT Jan 6 rioters – report
©  REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

A new account of the Capitol riot on January 6 claims that Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) at one point called for police to “use” their guns to “take back the Senate,” according to the Washington Post.
The report’s second chapter, entitled ‘Bloodshed’, recounts Graham being evacuated from his chambers to be taken to an undisclosed location after rioters had breached the Capitol.

“What are you doing? Take back the Senate! You’ve got guns. Use them,” the senator yelled at the Senate sergeant-in-arms, according to sources cited by the Post.
Graham then told police they are given guns “for a reason” and to “use them.” A gun was eventually used by a Capitol officer, leading to the death of Ashli Babbitt.

The US lawmakers, including Graham, were gathered on January 6, 2021 to certify Joe Biden’s presidential victory over Trump, with a massive crowd outside demanding the results to be overturned – before the rioters stormed the building. The riot followed a nearby rally featuring then-President Donald Trump continuing to refer to the election as fraudulent.

The Post goes on to claim that Graham was also in contact with Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, at the time and pleaded with her to have her father help “get these people out of here.”

"This thing is going south,” Graham said, insisting Trump tell them to “stand down.”

The former president would end up doing exactly that, releasing a video during the riot and telling anyone near the Capitol to “go home.” However, social media swiftly censored and limited its spread under the pretext of Trump sending supporters a “mixed message.”

Graham has had a rocky relationship with Trump, publicly breaking from him following January’s riot. “I hate it being this way. Oh my god I hate it... but today all I can say is count me out. Enough is enough. I tried to be helpful,” he said following the riot on the Senate floor at the time.

Since then, Graham has grown more supportive of Trump, even claiming last month that he wants Trump to run for president again in 2024. Trump, however, has trashed the South Carolina senator, recently saying he should be “ashamed” of himself over reports Graham investigated fraud claims into the 2020 presidential election and found no merit to them

https://www.rt.com/usa/539016-lindsey-graham-capitol-police-guns/
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changemyoil66

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2021, 08:20:01 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 29, 2021, 08:05:40 PM
I really don't know. Start a riot just so right wing people look bad?

Points to nose and points to EEF charades game style. This is 1 of a few reasons.
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bass monkey

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2021, 08:24:06 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 29, 2021, 08:05:40 PM
I really don't know. Start a riot just so right wing people look bad?

I mean the FBI put a whole lot of resources into investigating persons of interest,  who continue to sit in solitary confinement,  with no access to a lawyer or formal charges filed.

The response should be clear enough to answer your question
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MauiAxis

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2021, 01:45:53 PM »
Quote from: bass monkey on November 01, 2021, 08:24:06 AM
I mean the FBI put a whole lot of resources into investigating persons of interest,  who continue to sit in solitary confinement,  with no access to a lawyer or formal charges filed.

The response should be clear enough to answer your question

Oh my goodness. They are all being held at Guantanamo.
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hvybarrels

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2021, 01:56:15 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 29, 2021, 08:11:24 PM
In my opinion...

In other words: Based on Nothing
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2021, 02:01:40 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 29, 2021, 08:11:24 PM
In my opinion the Hunter laptop had credibility issues but thats another topic.
30% would have been less likely... not a very strong answer. Less likely doesn't translate into actual vote differences. Hillary claimed that Comey's announcement cost her the election as well.

Regardless, twitter trying to censor it didn't stop the story from getting out, in fact the censorship garnered even more attention for the story given the publicity it got. I f all the social media websites and news outlets censored it then I would be more worried but I don't think Twitter censoring it would have had that big a deal. Unless we have gone that downhill as a country where we get all out news from short snippets

Media finally covers Hunter Biden story
after avoiding controversy before election
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The mainstream media appears to finally be taking Hunter Biden seriously,
at least now that his father has already won the presidential election.

In the final weeks of the campaign, there was an unprecedented media
blackout of the explosive reporting from the New York Post that shed light
on Hunter Biden's questionable business dealings overseas. On Wednesday,
the Biden-Harris transition announced that his "tax affairs" were being
investigated.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/media-fcovers-hunter-biden-avoiding-laptop-controversy-during-election

You're allowed to have your own opinions, but that in no way changes the verified facts.

Add to those facts the situation where the repair shop owner gave the laptop to the FBI, and after 6 months, nothing was ever released to the media.  Only after the owner released a copy of the hard drive to Giuliani did the story start to get traction.  Still haven't heard a peep from the FBI.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2021, 02:14:57 PM »
Pic of a crack pipe, that's not filled with crack.  The fake news never assumes right?

I went to court a few times for work (worked at a bank so forgery/robbery).  1 case before me had a guy who was caught with an ice pipe in his pocket. The public defender asked the cop what she used to scrape out the residue to test what's inside.  She said she used a paper clip. he asked where she got the clip, she said in a desk at the station. He then asked if people who packed the clips into the boxes were using sterile gloves in the factory in Oklahoma. She said she didn't know.  Bascially what he was getting at is what if someone packing the clips was smoking crack.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2021, 02:31:31 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on November 02, 2021, 02:14:57 PM
Pic of a crack pipe, that's not filled with crack.  The fake news never assumes right?

I went to court a few times for work (worked at a bank so forgery/robbery).  1 case before me had a guy who was caught with an ice pipe in his pocket. The public defender asked the cop what she used to scrape out the residue to test what's inside.  She said she used a paper clip. he asked where she got the clip, she said in a desk at the station. He then asked if people who packed the clips into the boxes were using sterile gloves in the factory in Oklahoma. She said she didn't know.  Bascially what he was getting at is what if someone packing the clips was smoking crack.

I imagine the residue field test is to establish probable cause, and there may or may not be holes in that process.  However, it's reasonable enough of a process to investigate further.

When the pipe is bagged as evidence, it should be tested in the lab (with clean instruments) to verify the officer's suspicions.  Once the pipe is shown to have illegal drug residue, the fact has been established.  No matter what scrapping tool the officer used, nor how many people working at a paperclip factory are crackheads, it's impossible to argue against the evidence.  All the Cop needs is a good faith belief that the field test was probably accurate.  The lab goes beyond that to establish the facts beyond a reasonable doubt.

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2021, 07:24:50 PM »
Quote from: bass monkey on November 01, 2021, 08:24:06 AM
I mean the FBI put a whole lot of resources into investigating persons of interest,  who continue to sit in solitary confinement,  with no access to a lawyer or formal charges filed.

The response should be clear enough to answer your question

Are you talking about Guantanamo?
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eyeeatingfish

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2021, 07:26:34 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on November 02, 2021, 02:01:40 PM
Media finally covers Hunter Biden story
after avoiding controversy before electionhttps://www.foxnews.com/media/media-fcovers-hunter-biden-avoiding-laptop-controversy-during-election

You're allowed to have your own opinions, but that in no way changes the verified facts.

Add to those facts the situation where the repair shop owner gave the laptop to the FBI, and after 6 months, nothing was ever released to the media.  Only after the owner released a copy of the hard drive to Giuliani did the story start to get traction.  Still haven't heard a peep from the FBI.

That is not uncommon though, the FBI's default policy is not to comment unless they have to. Its quite common for them to close cases without explaining why, whether something was found or not, etc. Unfortunate that we don't get an answer to the question

As for 80% of people getting their news from social media, who do we blame there? Social media or ourselves?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: January 6 Psyop
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2021, 07:48:06 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on November 06, 2021, 07:26:34 PM
That is not uncommon though, the FBI's default policy is not to comment unless they have to. Its quite common for them to close cases without explaining why, whether something was found or not, etc. Unfortunate that we don't get an answer to the question

As for 80% of people getting their news from social media, who do we blame there? Social media or ourselves?

Blaming anyone solves nothing.  The fact remains ... if 80% are using Social Media for ANYTHING that's important (Virus/Pandemic info, Vaccine info, election news, etc), the people publishing the news in those media have an ethical responsibility to fulfill their duty as the "4th Branch of Government."  Without an honest media bringing us the news over WHATEVER medium we choose, we will continue to be manipulated and lied to.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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