In 2007, a guy wrote a damning review about cable gun locks, typically used to block the action of a gun from being used. Even though most of the locks we get from the big gun makers comply with safety rules promulgated by the state of California, actual tests have (presumably) shown that these locks can be bypassed.

https://www.engadget.com/2007-06-13-the-lockdown-gun-locks-unsafe-at-any-caliber.html


My own solution for handguns is to use a hardened case that can be bolted to the floor. Cutting the foam insert (neatly) is the difficult part, and I'll be ordering a hot knife cutter.


Rifles are the challenge because a shotgun in a safe with a tumbler lock, that may or may not open on a first attempt, is not a self-defense solution.
Remember, we are not only trying to secure our weapons against a future Crumbley, but anyone who might be mischievous or overly curious.

All this may be true but given enough time, even a good safe or lock box. can be opened but even these simple cable locks can save lives.
e.g.
Over 86% of firearm deaths in Utah are suicides
Of people admitted to hospital after a suicide attempt, 48% said they thought about suicide 10 minutes or less before the attempt.
90% who've attempted suicide and survive don't go on to kill themselves.

All safes have their limitations. Its difficult to stop a motivated individual, mental or criminal.

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All safes have their limitations. Its difficult to stop a motivated individual, mental or criminal.

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I’ve always used the club brand trigger locks. No cable to cut so you’d have to pick or drill through the lock to make the gun functional. I’ve found combining them in conjunction with a safe and a large antisocial dog tend to keep them from being stolen.

I was considering two options for my long guns. First one involves buying a few more Pelican rifle cases, and locking them with an Abus padlock. At 25 lb, these cases weigh more than most rifles.


Second option is to get a moderate size safe (under 150 lb) with an interior dimension of 14.8 in. W x 11.9 in. D x 19.6 in. H. How do you fit a rifle into one of these? You don't.    My precision rifles are all bolt action, which would allow me to store the bolts into the safe. That's the easy part. But, how do I handle semi-automatic rifles? Without owning an AR-15, how easy is it to remove the bolt carrier group for separate storage? Any other rifles that could pose an issue with dismantling and long term storage? Probably not even possible with black powder rifles???

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My own solution for handguns is to use a hardened case that can be bolted to the floor. Cutting the foam insert (neatly) is the difficult part, and I'll be ordering a hot knife cutter.

I have one of those foam cutting devices.  Works great.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0017NS8H6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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But, how do I handle semi-automatic rifles? Without owning an AR-15, how easy is it to remove the bolt carrier group for separate storage?
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So simple, you don't need a 3.7 GPA to do it!

Open/separate the upper from the lower receiver.  Pull the charging handle rearward.  The handle and BCG will come right out.

Reverse the process to reassemble the rifle. 

So simple, you don't need a 3.7 GPA to do it!

I had a 4.0 GPA in graduate school. Of course, try telling that to a wife, who always seems to know more than you. Men are expected to be experts on everything, especially when a car breaks down on the road. When the SHTF, she'll be among the many clueless people on the road. But, not me.



With Flapp's help, I'll be able to deal with all the technicalities of an AR-15, one of the most popular rifles in America (even though I do not own one). Important knowledge every survivor needs for SHTF scenarios. Now, why do people need to learn about weapons outside of their inventory? You do not have the luxury of being able to find either the gun or ammo you desire, in an emergency. I would welcome a series of lessons on "Things you may not know about a certain weapon or type of ammo, that can get you killed".

To fix the death jam, use the rear/base of the mag to push the bolt back form inside the ejection port.  This releases the tension put on the rounds.  Works best with metal mags, but can also work with magpul's.

IIRC it was Mike Glover (retired SF) who posted a vid showing how easy it is to un-jam.

I was considering two options for my long guns. First one involves buying a few more Pelican rifle cases, and locking them with an Abus padlock. At 25 lb, these cases weigh more than most rifles.


Second option is to get a moderate size safe (under 150 lb) with an interior dimension of 14.8 in. W x 11.9 in. D x 19.6 in. H. How do you fit a rifle into one of these? You don't.    My precision rifles are all bolt action, which would allow me to store the bolts into the safe. That's the easy part. But, how do I handle semi-automatic rifles? Without owning an AR-15, how easy is it to remove the bolt carrier group for separate storage? Any other rifles that could pose an issue with dismantling and long term storage? Probably not even possible with black powder rifles???

Getting a case would prevent immediate access to the rifle, but a thief will just steal the entire case.  And for a safe, I've seen and heard of thieves taking 800lbs safes, but this takes more man power and a get away vehicle. So your everyday crackhead just breaking in won't take the entire safe.  Even safes bolted to the cement floor are taken.  There's also vids on YT of guys breaking into 800lbs safes in a minute.

So in the end, you can take preventative measures, but nothing is full proof to a determined thief.  I appreciate you looking into any additional measures though. 

A reasonable gun owner would have some kind of safe and not rely on locked cases.  Even if you only have 1 pistol, a $80 pistol safe from Amazon would be reasonable.  If the state decided to come after you after a burglary, then it sounds better when you say the gun was in a safe vs. the gun was in a gun case. My $0.02.