Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 299075 times)

drck1000

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #520 on: March 10, 2022, 07:37:05 AM »
Defending your country against Russians (or anyone really) makes you racist?  Sheesh.  Everything is racist these days. . .

How much to I care about how Ukrainians get (insert whatever)?  Not much.  Got plenty of things to concentrate on at home. . .

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #521 on: March 10, 2022, 07:44:30 AM »
Defending your country against Russians (or anyone really) makes you racist?  Sheesh.
Attacking the ethnic Russians in Southern and Eastern Ukraine relentlessly since 2014 and working for EU/NATO membership to one-day eradicate Russia sounds pretty racist.



Everything is racist these days. . .
Not everything obviously, but other things still are.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #522 on: March 10, 2022, 07:50:19 AM »
"Russia is bad, Trump, Putin, & Xi are evil, and China is next on the hit list".

Russia is the pariah with cheap gas, the West destroys itself, Xi wins.
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drck1000

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #523 on: March 10, 2022, 07:51:09 AM »
Attacking the ethnic Russians in Southern and Eastern Ukraine relentlessly since 2014 and working for EU/NATO membership to one-day eradicate Russia sounds pretty racist.


Not everything obviously, but other things still are.
Oh, so Russians are invading Ukraine to stop those atrocities from occurring?  Such heroes. . .

To be clear, that ethnic cleansing and all that stuff is just  :grrr:  That said, you're making quite bit leaps for connections. . .

(add, my opinion)

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #524 on: March 10, 2022, 07:57:41 AM »
To be clear, that ethnic cleansing and all that stuff is just  :grrr:

https://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/10/burning-ukraines-protesters-alive/

When people talk about the good side and the bad side in any conflict it’s a pretty sure sign you are reading propaganda

There’s plenty of evil to go around out there
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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #525 on: March 10, 2022, 07:59:30 AM »
Oh, so Russians are invading Ukraine to stop those atrocities from occurring?  Such heroes. . .
No less the US imperial heroes that saved the World from Saddam's phantom weapons of mass destruction in the US empire's illegal invasion of Iraq, not to mention Syria as well.



To be clear, that ethnic cleansing and all that stuff is just  :grrr:  That said, you're making quite bit leaps for connections. . .
Please share in detail why those connections that form the basis of the clearly stated Russian rationale are suspect, as I would love to hear and learn the basis of that counterargument.

drck1000

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #526 on: March 10, 2022, 09:32:38 AM »
No less the US imperial heroes that saved the World from Saddam's phantom weapons of mass destruction in the US empire's illegal invasion of Iraq, not to mention Syria as well.


Please share in detail why those connections that form the basis of the clearly stated Russian rationale are suspect, as I would love to hear and learn the basis of that counterargument.
Uh, we were talking about Iraq and Syria?

I didn't say suspect.  I was stating my opinion that you rationale train is interesting.  Just like Iraq and Syria above. . .

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #527 on: March 10, 2022, 09:36:21 AM »
Every nation has skeletons in their closet.

If your neighbor is considered (or conceived) as less than stellar, weak, or whatever, that doesn't give you the right to encroach upon their sovereignty.

And IMO this applies to EVERY nation.  USA included.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

aletheuo137

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #528 on: March 10, 2022, 10:03:56 AM »
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Hunter Biden Firm Rosemont Seneca Invested in Firm Tied to Ukrainian Biolabs

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hvybarrels

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #531 on: March 10, 2022, 10:57:17 AM »
facist or racist?

It's interesting that in WWII, the US and Russia were allies, working to fight Nazi Germany from taking over Europe.

Now, Russia is dusting off that objective in order to justify their aggression toward Ukraine, like Ukraine is the next Nazi Germany.

Our planet has for the most part evolved toward a more civilized era in which we don't use force against our neighbors unless it's for defense of our people and sovereignty.  Military might is not to be used in diplomatic disputes.

Ukraine was no military threat to Russia, so why invade?  There are so many other ways to settle differences.  Maybe we'll never know the real reasons.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #532 on: March 10, 2022, 11:24:57 AM »
Who funds part of the Azov?  A jewish billionare guy who the president of Ukraine brought back.

drck1000

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #533 on: March 10, 2022, 12:19:02 PM »

Ukraine was no military threat to Russia, so why invade?  There are so many other ways to settle differences.  Maybe we'll never know the real reasons.
Yeah "hashashun"

mrgaf

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #534 on: March 10, 2022, 01:00:51 PM »
Wow.  The US empire has bioweapons labs in Ukraine?  Hmm, I wonder who those weaponized pathological agents were meant for?

The US empire's involvement in Ukraine gets more transparent day-by-day.  Looking forward to what other violations of international law and crimes against humanity will be exposed.

If anything, such proof vindicates Russia's security concerns in its current military actions in the US empire's puppet state Ukraine.

Blah blah blah…. Proof? What a joke. If the Ruskies or the commies said America was manufacturing pink elephants and and blue rhinos you’d believe it. Your credibility appears to be suffering. Good luck! :shaka:



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changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #535 on: March 10, 2022, 01:53:58 PM »
Blah blah blah…. Proof? What a joke. If the Ruskies or the commies said America was manufacturing pink elephants and and blue rhinos you’d believe it. Your credibility appears to be suffering. Good luck! :shaka:

I  have heard about the bioweapons lab as well.  But I'm the Tin Foil guy so...But at the same time, the government guy who said the US drone strike didn't kill any kids, is the same guy saying the US has no bio weapons. Permitting states otherwise.  Unless "pathogen" is the new code word for hookers.

It would make sense that the US has various types of labs in other countries that have less regulations.

Also Covid was created in Wuhan and leaked in the airduct intake at the Wuhan market. #tinfoil

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #536 on: March 10, 2022, 01:54:31 PM »
Blah blah blah…. Proof? What a joke. If the Ruskies or the commies said America was manufacturing pink elephants and and blue rhinos you’d believe it. Your credibility appears to be suffering. Good luck! :shaka:
Biolab opens in Ukraine
by Tina Redlup on June 18, 2010
(https://web.archive.org/web/20110522081423/http://www.bioprepwatch.com/news/213421-biolab-opens-in-ukraine)

U.S. Sen. Dick Lugar applauded the opening of the Interim Central Reference Laboratory in Odessa, Ukraine, this week, announcing that it will be instrumental in researching dangerous pathogens used by bioterrorists.

The level-3 bio-safety lab, which is the first built under the expanded authority of the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction program, will be used to study anthrax, tularemia and Q fever as well as other dangerous pathogens.

“The continuing cooperation of Nunn-Lugar partners has improved safety for all people against weapons of mass destruction and potential terrorist use, in addition to advancements in the prevention of pandemics and public health consequences,” Lugar said.

Lugar said plans for the facility began in 2005 when he and then Senator Barack Obama entered a partnership with Ukrainian officials. Lugar and Obama also helped coordinate efforts between the U.S and Ukrainian researchers that year in an effort to study and help prevent avian flu.

The Nunn-Lugar Act, which established the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, was established in 1991. Since that time it has provided funding and assistance to help the former Soviet Union dismantle and safeguard large stockpiles of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. The program has also been responsible for destroying chemical weapons in Albania, Lugar said.
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Documents expose US biological experiments on allied soldiers in Ukraine and Georgia
By Dilyana Gaytandzhieva -January 24, 2022
http://dilyana.bg/documents-expose-us-biological-experiments-on-allied-soldiers-in-ukraine-and-georgia/

The US Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) program in the Republic of Georgia. Photo: Ministry of Internal Affairs of Georgia
While the US is planning to increase its military presence in Eastern Europe to “protect its allies against Russia”, internal documents show what American “protection” in practical terms means.

The Pentagon has conducted biological experiments with a potentially lethal outcome on 4,400 soldiers in Ukraine and 1,000 soldiers in Georgia. According to leaked documents, all volunteer deaths should be reported within 24 h (in Ukraine) and 48 h (in Georgia).

Both countries are considered the most loyal US partners in the region with a number of Pentagon programs being implemented in their territory. One of them is the $2.5 billion Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) Biological engagement program which includes research on bio agents, deadly viruses and antibiotic-resistant bacteria being studied on the local population.

Project GG-21: “All volunteer deaths will be promptly reported”

The Pentagon has launched a 5-year long project with a possible extension of up to 3 years code-named GG-21: “Arthropod-borne and zoonotic infections among military personnel in Georgia”. According to the project’s description, blood samples will be obtained from 1,000 military recruits at the time of their military registration physical exam at the Georgian military hospital located in Gori.

The samples will be tested for antibodies against fourteen pathogens:

Bacillus anthracis
Brucella
CCHF virus
Coxiella burnetii
Francisella tularensis
Hantavirus
Rickettsia species
TBE virus
Bartonella species
Borrelia species
Ehlrichia species
Leptospira species
Salmonella typhi
WNV

The amount of blood draw will be 10 ml. Samples will be stored indefinitely at the NCDC (Lugar Center) or USAMRU-G and aliquots might be sent to WRAIR headquarters in US for future research studies. Walter Reed Army Institute of Research (WRAIR) is the largest biomedical research facility administered by the U.S. Department of Defense. The results of the blood testing will not be provided to the study participants.

Such a procedure cannot cause death. However, according to the project report, “all volunteer deaths will be promptly reported (usually within 48 h of the PI being notified)” to the Georgian Military Hospital and WRAIR.

According to the GG-21 project report, “all volunteer deaths will be promptly reported” to the Georgian military hospital and WRAIR, USA.
The soldiers’ blood samples will be stored and further tested at the Lugar Center, a $180 million Pentagon-funded facility in Georgia’s capital Tbilisi.

The Lugar Center has become notorious in the last years for controversial activities, laboratory incidents and scandals surrounding the US drug giant Gilead’s Hepatitis C program in Georgia which has resulted in at least 248 deaths of patients. The cause of death in the majority of cases has been listed as unknown, internal documents have shown.

The Georgian project GG-21 has been funded by DTRA and implemented by American military scientists from a special US Army unit code-named USAMRU-G who operate in the Lugar Center. They have been given diplomatic immunity in Georgia to research bacteria, viruses and toxins without being diplomats. This unit is subordinate to the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research (WRAIR).

The Lugar Center is the $180 million Pentagon-funded biolaboratory in Georgia’s capital Tbilisi.
 
A diplomatic car with a registration plate of the US Embassy to Tbilisi in the car park of the Lugar Center. US scientists working at the Pentagon laboratory in Georgia drive diplomatic vehicles as they have been given diplomatic immunity.

Documents obtained from the US Federal contracts registry show that USAMRU-G is expanding its activities to other US allies in the region and is “establishing expeditionary capabilities” in Georgia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Latvia and any future locations. The next USAMRU-G project involving biological tests on soldiers is due to start in March of this year at the Bulgarian Military Hospital in Sofia.

Project UP-8: All deaths of study participants should be reported within 24hrs

The Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has funded a similar project involving soldiers in Ukraine code-named UP-8: The spread of  Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever (CCHF) virus and hantaviruses in Ukraine and the potential need for differential diagnosis in patients with suspected leptospirosis. The project started in 2017 and was extended few times until 2020, internal documents show.

According to the project’s description, blood samples will be collected from 4,400 healthy soldiers in Lviv, Kharkov, Odesa and Kyiv. 4,000 of these samples will be tested for antibodies against hantaviruses, and 400 of them – for the presence of antibodies against Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever (CCHF) virus. The results of the blood testing will not be provided to the study participants.

There is no information as to what other procedures will be performed except that “serious incidents, including deaths should be reported within 24 hours. All deaths of study subjects that are suspected or known to be related to the research procedures should be brought to the attention of the bioethics committees in the USA and Ukraine.”

Blood samples from 4,000 Ukrainian soldiers will be tested for hantaviruses. Another 400 blood samples will be tested for CCHF under the DTRA-sponsored Ukrainian Project UP-8.
 
Project UP-8: “Serious incidents, including deaths should be reported within 24 hours. All deaths of study subjects that are suspected or known to be related to the research procedures should be brought to the attention of the bioethics committees in the USA and Ukraine.” Source: ukr-leaks.org

DTRA has allocated $80 million for biological research in Ukraine as of 30 July 2020, according to information obtained from the US Federal contracts registry. Tasked with the program is the US company Black &Veatch Special Projects Corp.

Another DTRA contractor operating in Ukraine is CH2M Hill. The American company has been awarded a $22.8 million contract (2020-2023) for the reconstruction and equipment of two biolaboratories:  the State Scientific Research Institute of Laboratory Diagnostics and Veterinary-Sanitary Expertise (Kyiv ILD) and the State Service of Ukraine for Food Safety and Consumer Protection Regional Diagnostic Laboratory (Odesa RDL).

US personnel are indemnified for deaths and injuries to the local population

The DTRA activities in Georgia and Ukraine fall under the protection of special bilateral agreements. According to these agreements, Georgia and Ukraine shall hold harmless, bring no legal proceedings and indemnify the United States and its personnel, contractors and contractors’ personnel, for damage to property, or death or injury to any persons in Georgia and Ukraine, arising out of activities under this Agreement. If DTRA-sponsored scientists cause deaths or injuries to the local population they cannot be held to account.

Furthermore, according to the US-Ukraine Agreement, claims by third parties for deaths and injuries in Ukraine, arising out of the acts or omissions of any employees of the United States related to work under this Agreement, shall be the responsibility of Ukraine.
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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #537 on: March 10, 2022, 06:55:42 PM »
For those who rather watch, rather than read the evidence.


Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #538 on: March 10, 2022, 07:42:16 PM »
Just in, Russia says they have discovered document evidence that the US imperial funded bioweapon labs in Ukraine actually experimented with bat-coronaviruses that could be released to other countries.  Need to see those documents first, but if true, it could be entirely possible that it might have not been China that was Covid-19's true origin.







No wonder Under Secretary of the State Victoria Nuland started squirming when she had to admit to Senator Rubio that there were "biological research facilities" in Ukraine, whose experiments and documentation needed to be retrieved before Russian troops acquire (expose) them, before going back to her anti-Russian hate harangues. 


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aieahound

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #539 on: March 10, 2022, 07:56:34 PM »
No wonder Under Secretary of the State Victoria Nuland started squirming when she had to admit to Senator Rubio that there were "biological research facilities" in Ukraine, whose experiments and documentation needed to be retrieved before Russian troops acquire (expose) them, before going back to her anti-Russian hate harangues. 




I don’t know if it has anything to do with the invasion but that’s pretty damning testimony.