Another mass shooting (Read 54001 times)

QUIETShooter

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #120 on: May 31, 2022, 07:53:19 PM »
Just an observation here, but has anyone else noticed the all of a sudden increase in gun reported incidents on the news lately? Especially here in HI. Just saw on the news again tonight some shooting on Tantalus and Kailua. Tantalus vehicle in the incident, no front plates just random firing in the air. Interesting...


The conspiracy theorist in me is telling me it's all part of the demokrats plan.

Get America emotional about the gun tragedies.  Ban guns.  Disarm the populace.  Save our children.  Republicans bad.  biden good.  kamala better.  Oh by the way, the 2022 mid-term elections is this year.  Hmmmmmm..... ::)

It's easier to control the sheep when they are disarmed and so poor from inflation, gas prices, and supply shortages.

But to do that, they need to keep their comrades in office.

All part of the plan.......
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #121 on: June 02, 2022, 08:56:27 AM »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #122 on: June 02, 2022, 12:27:52 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-arrest-16-old-tip-135536966.html

Kid had a SBR

If you're basing that on the photo slide show, then "No". 

The person putting the slide show together stole that image from an ATF article:

https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2020/07/21/tsa-catches-artfully-concealed-assault-rifle-ammunition-checked-bag

Nowhere in the reports of this arrest were an SBR or AR pistol mentioned.  They only said he had "parts" of an "assault rifle" and for "explosives".

Plus, that looks more like an AR pistol, not a rifle (no stock).

Don't believe everything you see on the Internet.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #123 on: June 02, 2022, 01:40:09 PM »
If you're basing that on the photo slide show, then "No". 

The person putting the slide show together stole that image from an ATF article:

https://www.tsa.gov/news/press/releases/2020/07/21/tsa-catches-artfully-concealed-assault-rifle-ammunition-checked-bag

Nowhere in the reports of this arrest were an SBR or AR pistol mentioned.  They only said he had "parts" of an "assault rifle" and for "explosives".

Plus, that looks more like an AR pistol, not a rifle (no stock).

Don't believe everything you see on the Internet.



So the media was fake news and tricked me.  Thanks sensei, your google-fu is strong.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #124 on: June 02, 2022, 02:19:50 PM »
So the media was fake news and tricked me.  Thanks sensei, your google-fu is strong.


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #125 on: June 02, 2022, 08:20:18 PM »
"...so remember the wolf and Bataclan in France….when you consider the 2nd amendment being touched. The wolf wants that. Yearns that. So that you be defenseless against them. The wolf does know that if they pushed you, the American too far, you will discipline them…so keep your 2nd…properly stored, well trained on handling, legal, permitted etc. Law abiding. Good governance societies. All things correct. But keep it close for the wolf and from time to time, introduce the wolf to the 2nd when they act a fool. Whenever the wolf acts up and ,the wolf could be whomever. Whomever that would threaten your life and that of your loved ones. Never ever allow the 2nd to be touched!"

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QUIETShooter

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #126 on: June 03, 2022, 06:35:35 AM »
The wolves are people like nancy pelosi and joe biden, amongst others.

These wolves are pathetic, out of shape, old, and ugly.  Oh, I forgot stupid.  Yeah, they're stupid.

But wolves just the same.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #127 on: June 04, 2022, 07:14:49 AM »
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macsak

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #128 on: June 04, 2022, 07:19:00 AM »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #129 on: June 04, 2022, 10:59:36 AM »
If you're sharing Instagram links, try editing the "/tv/" and make it look like "/p/" instead ...

Something like:



The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #130 on: June 04, 2022, 11:51:54 AM »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #131 on: June 04, 2022, 11:57:22 AM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #132 on: June 06, 2022, 06:57:26 AM »
Both NY market and Ulvade shooter both passed NCIC and any mental health reporting checks that the left would want.

So the answer is simple, teams of armed staff/guards in schools

Or maybe anti 2a orgs donate money to put into more staff for the NCIC system instead of politicians pockets would be a good step.

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Armed guard simply aren't a very realistic answer. The cost alone makes it a nonstarter. Conservatives aren't exactly known for giving teachers big pay raises or raising taxes so I don't think we would see such a funding measure pass from our side. It ends up being all talk.

Even then it is a reactionary measure, not so much a preventative one. We can't simply be reactionary to this problem.

There have been instances where failures of the NCIC system has resulted in people not being flagged when they should be flagged. That's simply unacceptable. It's not always the feds fault either if I understand correctly but failure of local departments to provide and update information in the system.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #133 on: June 06, 2022, 12:56:39 PM »
Armed guard simply aren't a very realistic answer. The cost alone makes it a nonstarter. Conservatives aren't exactly known for giving teachers big pay raises or raising taxes so I don't think we would see such a funding measure pass from our side. It ends up being all talk.

Even then it is a reactionary measure, not so much a preventative one. We can't simply be reactionary to this problem.

There have been instances where failures of the NCIC system has resulted in people not being flagged when they should be flagged. That's simply unacceptable. It's not always the feds fault either if I understand correctly but failure of local departments to provide and update information in the system.

Schools are notorious for wasting funding, whether it's for facilities, supplies, faculty or sports, they tend to find things that are not essentials to spend "new money" on while ignoring the deficiencies they already deal with.

There are plenty of retired and former police and military with firearms training and skills who'd be willing to work on school campuses.  The hours would be regular, and the vacation time during Winter and Summer breaks would be a plus, too.  From my experience, schools already have extra security during football and basketball games, so if they can afford that, they can afford full time security.

One security worker per school is also not enough.  They need to have enough to cover the campus as well as provide coverage when someone needs to be home or on vacation.  If there's an incident, they need backup, so some overlap during morning, lunch and afternoon times when lots of people are coming and going would be needed.

This is one reason faculty -- teachers, janitors, admin staff -- should be permitted to carry.  Security can't be everywhere at once, and teachers can be posted at entrances and exits when school opens and lets out.  Give teachers who wish to carry the authority to do so.

Pretending the only real solution is too hard or expensive tells me you haven't really thought this through.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #134 on: June 06, 2022, 02:03:50 PM »
Schools are notorious for wasting funding, whether it's for facilities, supplies, faculty or sports, they tend to find things that are not essentials to spend "new money" on while ignoring the deficiencies they already deal with.

There are plenty of retired and former police and military with firearms training and skills who'd be willing to work on school campuses.  The hours would be regular, and the vacation time during Winter and Summer breaks would be a plus, too.  From my experience, schools already have extra security during football and basketball games, so if they can afford that, they can afford full time security.

One security worker per school is also not enough.  They need to have enough to cover the campus as well as provide coverage when someone needs to be home or on vacation.  If there's an incident, they need backup, so some overlap during morning, lunch and afternoon times when lots of people are coming and going would be needed.

This is one reason faculty -- teachers, janitors, admin staff -- should be permitted to carry.  Security can't be everywhere at once, and teachers can be posted at entrances and exits when school opens and lets out.  Give teachers who wish to carry the authority to do so.

Pretending the only real solution is too hard or expensive tells me you haven't really thought this through.

It's free to arm existing staff.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #135 on: June 06, 2022, 03:11:51 PM »
It's free to arm existing staff.
There's the training.  To reduce liability and ensure better safety, I'm sure training will be required.  The school ought to pay for that.  If they require off-body storage of guns, the school would need to provide secure storage that any authorized faculty member could open.

That assumes, of course, that existing staff are inclined to be armed.  Nobody is going to force any faculty member to be armed.

I can't imagine that ever flying in HI.  CCW permits issued for teachers?    :rofl:   
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #136 on: June 06, 2022, 03:34:01 PM »
people of Hawaii are sheep. We act and vote like sheep
Deeds Not Words

oldfart

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #137 on: June 06, 2022, 05:29:09 PM »
people of Hawaii are sheep. We act and vote like sheep
....
Who you calling "we".??
I identify as a sheepdog, if anything.
What, Me Worry?

QUIETShooter

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #138 on: June 06, 2022, 05:59:51 PM »
The teacher's union in Hawaii are solid demokrats.  Even if offered the chance to arm themselves to protect their children I don't think any of them would.  And the union would probably fight it tooth and nail.

Too bad.  Giving custodial, admin, and teachers the option of arming themselves to protect the children is a good idea in my book.  But I also believe in vetting and training.  Also dedicated security like mentioned earlier, retired LE, Military, etc. 

Just as there are bad cops and bad security personnel, nothing is 100% perfect and will solve everything.  There is no such thing in this world.

But in my opinion it is the closest one can get to protect the children.

I don't see any better solution than meeting fire with fire when it comes to protecting children and the people in the schools.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Another mass shooting
« Reply #139 on: June 06, 2022, 07:18:41 PM »
Schools are notorious for wasting funding, whether it's for facilities, supplies, faculty or sports, they tend to find things that are not essentials to spend "new money" on while ignoring the deficiencies they already deal with.

There are plenty of retired and former police and military with firearms training and skills who'd be willing to work on school campuses.  The hours would be regular, and the vacation time during Winter and Summer breaks would be a plus, too.  From my experience, schools already have extra security during football and basketball games, so if they can afford that, they can afford full time security.

One security worker per school is also not enough.  They need to have enough to cover the campus as well as provide coverage when someone needs to be home or on vacation.  If there's an incident, they need backup, so some overlap during morning, lunch and afternoon times when lots of people are coming and going would be needed.

This is one reason faculty -- teachers, janitors, admin staff -- should be permitted to carry.  Security can't be everywhere at once, and teachers can be posted at entrances and exits when school opens and lets out.  Give teachers who wish to carry the authority to do so.

Pretending the only real solution is too hard or expensive tells me you haven't really thought this through.

It's not a real solution, it is a bandaid. I am not against it as a practice but I have no illusions it will solve the problem. It is an option, it may help a little but it isn't a solution. I know that because I have thought this through.

Even if it could be shown to reduce the number of shootings or the number of deaths there are still many other problems to overcome. As you point out training would be one such issue and that costs time and money. Then liability would be a huge issue. The instant someone steals a gun from a school and uses it to hurt someone lawsuits will be filed. Sure schools are known to waste money but realistically  we aren't going to expect them to simply stop wasting so teachers can be armed.

To the rest of the developed world we look like animals, we need armed guards in our schools yet so very few other developed countries need that. Again, I am not against armed guards but that suggestion doesn't focus on the problem.