SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII? (Read 37752 times)

changemyoil66

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2022, 08:50:58 AM »
Wait while we change the law would never be a legal justification, thats silly talk. Yes, I suspect they will drag their feet but I am still going to allow for a reasonable amount of time. Not holding my breath but not going to jump on this yet.
Under normal circumstances, i agree that reasonable time is needed. Why this doesnt apply is because we have seen how HI drags its feet (tasers) and how anti2a they are. So giving "reasonable time" means giving them time to find a loop hole to deny people and their reasoning will be "for public safety".

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2022, 09:58:16 AM »
Matt Hoover (CRS Firearms Youtuber), his defense is now citing the SCOTUS ruling for his machine gun charge.

I've seen more YT channels explaining more of that case.  Not only is the defendant using the recent ruling to get an acquittal, he's also filed a lawsuit to have the entire NFA law overturned as unconstitutional.

The number one argument is that the recent ruling dictates that the basis for deeming a law constitutional has been wrong all this time -- intermediate scrutiny -- which gives the government a massive advantage in making laws that should have been ruled unconstitutional.  Every decision in the last 100+ years used the same analytical basis, making them possibly unconstitutional now as well.

The second argument is about the taxes imposed under NFA.  Even in 1934, the lawmakers KNEW an outright ban on machine guns and suppressors was unconstitutional.  So, they created a tax system, which involves a lengthy and difficult application process on top of the tax, as a means of having a defacto ban on such items.

2022 may go down in history is the year law abiding gun owners won our freedoms back.   :thumbsup: :geekdanc:

Staying tuned ....    :popcorn:
« Last Edit: July 09, 2022, 04:13:04 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2022, 08:34:58 PM »
Wait while we change the law would never be a legal justification, thats silly talk. Yes, I suspect they will drag their feet but I am still going to allow for a reasonable amount of time. Not holding my breath but not going to jump on this yet.
Just curious, suppose you decided to exercise your right to conceal carry and got busted,
What is a reasonable amount of time to spend in jail while waiting for the police chief to obey the law?
 ???

eyeeatingfish

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2022, 10:00:45 PM »
Just curious, suppose you decided to exercise your right to conceal carry and got busted,
What is a reasonable amount of time to spend in jail while waiting for the police chief to obey the law?
 ???

Those are very technical questions and I don't have enough legal knowledge to be able to answer. I don't fully understand the process of when a decision or case precedent gets handed out and other cases get sent back to lower courts for them to re-decide.

ren

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2022, 10:54:03 PM »
Those are very technical questions and I don't have enough legal knowledge to be able to answer. I don't fully understand the process of when a decision or case precedent gets handed out and other cases get sent back to lower courts for them to re-decide.

To sum it up, "I have no opinion, but want to post something because I'm bored."
Deeds Not Words

changemyoil66

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #65 on: July 09, 2022, 11:05:47 PM »

Reminds me of that scene from The Core. Repeate after me, I dont know.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2022, 02:00:49 PM »
Reminds me of that scene from The Core. Repeate after me, I dont know.

Maybe it's the SciFi story, or the great cast, but that's one of my favorite movies.

I'll tell you how to save the planet if you let me have a cigarette.

 :rofl:

I'm sure the exposure of a massive worldwide governmental cover-up appeals to you.   :thumbsup: :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #67 on: July 10, 2022, 09:56:25 PM »


Why must one have an opinion in order to discuss a question of legal procedure?

pacwire

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2022, 02:12:52 PM »
The State of Hawaii usually (A pattern) Tries to be "politically" correct.  Thus the Chief of Police will "punt" and  put the "delay" on someone else.(Excuses if you ask me).  However, once you put that in Writing (Aka Joe Logan to Andrew of HIFCO) and now the "written" response from the Ag to the Governor of the State of Hawaii, it seems that NOW he has to move although at a "snails" pace....Hmmm.  Our"BLUE" State doesn't move fast as usual...Back to waitng....But i can seen some light at the end of the tunnel...Note:  Never said how long the tunnel is.....

Aloha!


RSN172

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2022, 05:00:44 PM »
Just curious, suppose you decided to exercise your right to conceal carry and got busted,
What is a reasonable amount of time to spend in jail while waiting for the police chief to obey the law?
 ???
10 years, that's how long Young has waited.  Think of the benefits. Free housing, food and medical care.
Happily living in Puna

eyeeatingfish

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2022, 09:09:56 PM »
The State of Hawaii usually (A pattern) Tries to be "politically" correct.  Thus the Chief of Police will "punt" and  put the "delay" on someone else.(Excuses if you ask me).  However, once you put that in Writing (Aka Joe Logan to Andrew of HIFCO) and now the "written" response from the Ag to the Governor of the State of Hawaii, it seems that NOW he has to move although at a "snails" pace....Hmmm.  Our"BLUE" State doesn't move fast as usual...Back to waitng....But i can seen some light at the end of the tunnel...Note:  Never said how long the tunnel is.....

Aloha!

I wonder if another lawsuit would speed that up?

changemyoil66

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #71 on: July 11, 2022, 09:43:11 PM »
I wonder if another lawsuit would speed that up?
What HI is doing is changing the requirements b4 the 9th fixes their ruling. Thus Alan getting the shaft again ( not paid since this is a civil libery case).  By HI delaying and being last to issue this, this tells me that the 9th is close to making a ruling.

They figured out what they had to do as to not have to pay. Or they would have taken at most a week to do what everyone else did after SCOTUS ruling.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2022, 09:09:18 AM »
What HI is doing is changing the requirements b4 the 9th fixes their ruling. Thus Alan getting the shaft again ( not paid since this is a civil libery case).  By HI delaying and being last to issue this, this tells me that the 9th is close to making a ruling.

They figured out what they had to do as to not have to pay. Or they would have taken at most a week to do what everyone else did after SCOTUS ruling.

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I am sure they are going over the language to find ways to still allow for as many restrictions as possible.

groveler

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2022, 10:59:17 AM »
10 years, that's how long Young has waited.  Think of the benefits. Free housing, food and medical care.
You obviously haven't been in jail much.  It sucks!
Although I will say New Orleans Parish prison, had good beans, rice and franks.
My charges were all dropped, I just came across cops with attitudes.
New Orleans cop with an attitude who'd have guessed.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2022, 11:21:07 AM »
You obviously haven't been in jail much.  It sucks!
Although I will say New Orleans Parish prison, had good beans, rice and franks.
My charges were all dropped, I just came across cops with attitudes.
New Orleans cop with an attitude who'd have guessed.

Long-ish story ... short punchline.

My brother got married while he was between jobs. He paid for the tux rental, church and reception expenses (reception at his rented house) using what little money he had in savings, but wound up writing checks he couldn't cover.

The judge gave him 6 months to pay something like $350 plus court costs.  He wound up getting laid off from the next job he had and didn't have another lined up, so no way to cough up the money he was ordered to pay.  Of course, asking friends and family never occurred to him I guess.  In fact, I was in his car during college break, and I saw the papers on his console.  When I asked what that was about, he told me he had it handled.

That was Spring Break. When I came home for Summer Break, my brother had been arrested for criminal contempt of court.  He'd been locked up in the Mecklenburg County jail in Charlotte for a little less than a week, but my mother didn't have the cash to get him out for a few days. We drove up on that Friday, and my mom had the amount my brother called and told her to bring. He didn't include court costs for having been arrested, so she was almost $100 short, which I happened to have on me since I needed traveling money to go home.  He got really lucky I was there.

The finale is he told my mother later that he's never going back to jail.  It was the most uncomfortable, miserable and humiliating time of his life. For the first day, he had to sit in a cell wearing nothing but his undershorts. I can't imagine why unless he peed himself when the Sheriff Deputies showed up!  :rofl:

So, yeah.  Jail isn't something you look forward to unless you're homeless, need medical attention and/or haven't eaten a meal in over a week.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

RSN172

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2022, 01:58:24 PM »
10 years, that's how long Young has waited.  Think of the benefits. Free housing, food and medical care.

You guys do know I was joking , right?

Aah, sarcasm is hard.
Happily living in Puna

Flapp_Jackson

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2022, 02:14:27 PM »
You guys do know I was joking , right?

Aah, sarcasm is hard.

Some things aren't to made light of.  It offends .... some people.   :geekdanc: :crazy:

#Unprofessional
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

RSN172

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #77 on: July 12, 2022, 06:18:47 PM »
Gomen nasai. I did not mean to offend.
Happily living in Puna

Flapp_Jackson

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #78 on: July 12, 2022, 06:26:25 PM »
Gomen nasai. I did not mean to offend.

Say 2 "Hail, Hillarys", and perform one act of propaganda for a Democrat politician.

 :wave: :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: SCOTUS STRIKES DOWN NEW YORK CARRY LAW!!! SO NOW WHAT FOR HAWAII?
« Reply #79 on: August 01, 2022, 09:15:13 PM »
So scotus tells 9th they got the CA lawsuits to hear using the new method

9th is being jerkoffs and handing cases back to the state courts instead of making a ruling(this highly unusual in general). Which when CA loses, will appeal and go back to the 9th. Basically dragging out mag limits, AWB, etc... for years.

Expect the same to happen here. Instead of the 9th making a mag ban ruling and HIFICOs mag suit being an automatic win, now it will most likely have to go to trial. Which means attornies gotta work way more. This is what HI wants. Cause just before HI loses, they will change the law. Which stiffs the attornies with the bill. Like how theyre doing with the taser case.

Justice/the court system isnt blind or fair. And politicians suffer no time or financial burden. Alan Beck should own a few lambos by now with all the hours spent. But he doesnt cause he getting the big shaft instead.

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