Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry (Read 71041 times)

drck1000

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #440 on: November 26, 2022, 09:56:57 AM »
Got the DPP installed and side by side comparison with CHWPS is night and day.even on the underbelly, DPP has a notch so the pin that can protrude from the slide, which mine did. So the CHWPS didnt sit flush until i had to hammer that pin in slightly.

Also DPP came in a cool plastic container and the tool needed for the screws.

The lack of side to side movement until tightening the screws is non-existant due to the raised notches on DPP. Unlike CHWPs that has non, the RDS moves side to side prior to tghtening. So u have to make sure youre not crooked.

Price is about half of what CHWPS charges.

Overall, the craftmanship is much better with DPP and CHWPS looks lazy compared to them. But DPP is made in china, but so is my Holosun (get over it.*Jedi).

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Looks like the DPP is slightly thicker than the CHPWS.  That might impact the ability to use "standard height" sights.  Not a huge deal for me.  Just noticed that with the 43x slide that was milled, I could used the stock sights with the EPS Carry, but barely, which was fine for me.  I haven't shot the 48 MOS yet.  Thinking of selling and just sticking with the 43x only.  Then going with a 17/19 with optic specific milling. 

Used ELMS laser to zero.

Actual range

P365XL on the money.
Shield Plus was right 3 inches

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go, gtg den. . .  :shaka:

3 inches right at what distance?  tangerine group size at 5 yards?  ;D

changemyoil66

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #441 on: November 26, 2022, 12:41:37 PM »
Looks like the DPP is slightly thicker than the CHPWS.  That might impact the ability to use "standard height" sights.  Not a huge deal for me.  Just noticed that with the 43x slide that was milled, I could used the stock sights with the EPS Carry, but barely, which was fine for me.  I haven't shot the 48 MOS yet.  Thinking of selling and just sticking with the 43x only.  Then going with a 17/19 with optic specific milling. 
go, gtg den. . .  :shaka:

3 inches right at what distance?  tangerine group size at 5 yards?  ;D
XL was nickle grouping at 10 yrds

Shield was 3 inches right at 10 yrds. Grouping was golfball.

Then when mag dumping (rapid fire) at 10yrds, was low 4 inches and grouping was  cantalope for both guns.

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macsak

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #442 on: November 26, 2022, 01:13:38 PM »
that's not the sight's fault...

XL was nickle grouping at 10 yrds

Shield was 3 inches right at 10 yrds. Grouping was golfball.

Then when mag dumping (rapid fire) at 10yrds, was low 4 inches and grouping was  cantalope for both guns.

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changemyoil66

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #443 on: November 27, 2022, 11:52:58 AM »
that's not the sight's fault...
Ur right, its the paper targets fault. It was made for people who shoot high.

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Rocky

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #444 on: November 27, 2022, 04:30:25 PM »
Been trying to find one of those semi-auto revolvers.
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drck1000

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #445 on: November 28, 2022, 07:27:58 AM »
XL was nickle grouping at 10 yrds

Shield was 3 inches right at 10 yrds. Grouping was golfball.

Then when mag dumping (rapid fire) at 10yrds, was low 4 inches and grouping was  cantalope for both guns.

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A nickel at 10 yards with the 365XL is pretty darn good.  5 shot groups?

For the "mag dump", did the string start off at intended POI, then track lower?

Next time, try this sequence.  From holster, draw and fire 1 at 7 yards with par time of 3 seconds.  Then shoot 2 shots, and so on until 6 shots total.  Trying to keep even cadence in a given string.  Check your work after each string.  Goal should be keep hits within IPSC A-Zone, or say challenge yourself with a 6" diameter circle.  If you can do 6 shots in 3 second par time, decrease to 2 seconds or less.  That way, you're getting in good reps with each string for your "mag dumps". 

drck1000

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #446 on: November 28, 2022, 07:31:28 AM »
that's not the sight's fault...
At least he owns firearms and tries to train. . .

 :P

changemyoil66

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #447 on: November 28, 2022, 09:28:26 AM »
A nickel at 10 yards with the 365XL is pretty darn good.  5 shot groups?

For the "mag dump", did the string start off at intended POI, then track lower?

Next time, try this sequence.  From holster, draw and fire 1 at 7 yards with par time of 3 seconds.  Then shoot 2 shots, and so on until 6 shots total.  Trying to keep even cadence in a given string.  Check your work after each string.  Goal should be keep hits within IPSC A-Zone, or say challenge yourself with a 6" diameter circle.  If you can do 6 shots in 3 second par time, decrease to 2 seconds or less.  That way, you're getting in good reps with each string for your "mag dumps".

2 groups of 3 shots. Had 1 flyer that was me and not the gun. So  "close enough", "I don't live life that hard" -MSD quote.

For mag dump, I was aiming center mass and it all was lower. So I'm pressing trigger too hard when mag dumping due to excitement if we can call it that.  I know what I can do for slow fire, so this is 1 area that I need to correct.  Esp since this 4 inches low will amplifly at further distances.  But to be fair, I don't mag dump at 25 yards, cause no way I'm hitting the target.  I know my limits.  When I say mag dump, I'm talking like 10 rds in 2 seconds or just under that.

So with the above being done, I'm confident even when not shooting since mid September that I can pass the CCW qual with my Shield that's a smaller and on paper, less accurate than the VP9.

What I did learn and which is why I don't like precision shooting (300+yards), is that I don't have the patience due to boredom and caffeine to slow fire.  I hated zeroing our guns.  Which is why I only did 2 strings each. So "close enough".  Then just mag dumping with Mrs. CMO's P365XL to function test since we haven't shot it yet. So mag dumping 150rds FMJ and 50rds Gold Dot 124 gr.  I got bored and also understood the capability of the gun and myself. So no sense to continue to slow fire that gets repeated results.

Plus Mrs. CMO was waiting in the lobby at Range 702 for me to finish, so I didn't want her waiting too long. 

After shooting the XL, I didn't notice the mush trigger at all, which is the same with the P320.  Only during dry fire is it noticeable. With that being said, I like the XL better than the Shield. It just looks cooler.

Also CCWing a smaller gun is noticeably different than the VP9 (AIWB each).  Especially when sitting. The VP9 digs into right above where my shaft begins, and the WML on the VP9 goes along side, touching the shaft. The smaller Shield doesn't have this issue of any digging in while seated.  Also I have no WML on the shield.  And the weight difference even with the side car mag is noticeable. The shield set up is much lighter.

The shitty part are the metal clips I have on the Tier1 holster. Metal is slimmer than plastic clips, but also latch on way more and can damage a leather belt if not careful when donning and doffing. This is my polo shirt tucked into slacks set up, so I need to be more concealed with the thinner metal clips. So I may buy another Tier1 sidecar later and have this as my plastic clips for  all other wardrobes once HI issues CCW's. Or a non sidecar for when I carry at the 4 oclock, which I prefer in HI and not in Vegas due to leaning forward at the craps tables all day and a 4 oclock hold would print lots.

This was my first time CCWing the Shield and it's set up.

I did notice the RDS sits right above my pants button. I cannot lower the pistol because then it wouldn't be able to get my fingers around the grip when drawing since it would then sit flush with my belt.  Now that I have carried it for a few days, I can understand the potential lint issue.

drck1000

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #448 on: November 28, 2022, 09:47:53 AM »
2 groups of 3 shots. Had 1 flyer that was me and not the gun. So  "close enough", "I don't live life that hard" -MSD quote.

For mag dump, I was aiming center mass and it all was lower. So I'm pressing trigger too hard when mag dumping due to excitement if we can call it that.  I know what I can do for slow fire, so this is 1 area that I need to correct.  Esp since this 4 inches low will amplifly at further distances.  But to be fair, I don't mag dump at 25 yards, cause no way I'm hitting the target.  I know my limits.  When I say mag dump, I'm talking like 10 rds in 2 seconds or just under that.

So with the above being done, I'm confident even when not shooting since mid September that I can pass the CCW qual with my Shield that's a smaller and on paper, less accurate than the VP9.

What I did learn and which is why I don't like precision shooting (300+yards), is that I don't have the patience due to boredom and caffeine to slow fire.  I hated zeroing our guns.  Which is why I only did 2 strings each. So "close enough".  Then just mag dumping with Mrs. CMO's P365XL to function test since we haven't shot it yet. So mag dumping 150rds FMJ and 50rds Gold Dot 124 gr.  I got bored and also understood the capability of the gun and myself. So no sense to continue to slow fire that gets repeated results.

Plus Mrs. CMO was waiting in the lobby at Range 702 for me to finish, so I didn't want her waiting too long. 

After shooting the XL, I didn't notice the mush trigger at all, which is the same with the P320.  Only during dry fire is it noticeable. With that being said, I like the XL better than the Shield. It just looks cooler.

Also CCWing a smaller gun is noticeably different than the VP9 (AIWB each).  Especially when sitting. The VP9 digs into right above where my shaft begins, and the WML on the VP9 goes along side, touching the shaft. The smaller Shield doesn't have this issue of any digging in while seated.  Also I have no WML on the shield.  And the weight difference even with the side car mag is noticeable. The shield set up is much lighter.

The shitty part are the metal clips I have on the Tier1 holster. Metal is slimmer than plastic clips, but also latch on way more and can damage a leather belt if not careful when donning and doffing. This is my polo shirt tucked into slacks set up, so I need to be more concealed with the thinner metal clips. So I may buy another Tier1 sidecar later and have this as my plastic clips for  all other wardrobes once HI issues CCW's. Or a non sidecar for when I carry at the 4 oclock, which I prefer in HI and not in Vegas due to leaning forward at the craps tables all day and a 4 oclock hold would print lots.

This was my first time CCWing the Shield and it's set up.

I did notice the RDS sits right above my pants button. I cannot lower the pistol because then it wouldn't be able to get my fingers around the grip when drawing since it would then sit flush with my belt.  Now that I have carried it for a few days, I can understand the potential lint issue.
Flier, eh?   ;D

I was going to shoot the posted courses of fire over the weekend, but got lazy.  Maybe this coming weekend, but on an IPSC target. 

For the clips for the T1C holster, LMK if you want some plastic belt clips.  I have a bunch of extra that I don't use.  I think I have extra Ulticlip as well that I don't use.   

changemyoil66

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #449 on: November 28, 2022, 10:27:09 AM »
Flier, eh?   ;D

I was going to shoot the posted courses of fire over the weekend, but got lazy.  Maybe this coming weekend, but on an IPSC target. 

For the clips for the T1C holster, LMK if you want some plastic belt clips.  I have a bunch of extra that I don't use.  I think I have extra Ulticlip as well that I don't use.   

Thanks for the offer, T1 actually sent me the plastic ones by mistake with the metal ones. They are supposed to charge extra for a 2nd set of clips.

changemyoil66

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #450 on: December 01, 2022, 08:47:28 AM »
Forgot to add that Mrs.CMO likes carrying the P365XL better than the P10C.  The size is much lighter and smaller.  She hasn't shot it yet, only I did, but IMO the XL is more accurate. I have never grouped rounds inside a nickel at 10yards with the P10C.  The rounds were pretty much touching.  IDK if it's the gun or the RDS on it.  But she does have a 6 MOA Holosun 407K, so the dot did cover the entire X circle.

drck1000

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #451 on: December 01, 2022, 12:25:43 PM »
Forgot to add that Mrs.CMO likes carrying the P365XL better than the P10C.  The size is much lighter and smaller.  She hasn't shot it yet, only I did, but IMO the XL is more accurate. I have never grouped rounds inside a nickel at 10yards with the P10C.  The rounds were pretty much touching.  IDK if it's the gun or the RDS on it.  But she does have a 6 MOA Holosun 407K, so the dot did cover the entire X circle.
How come she didn't shoot it at 702?  You had the yellow chips. . .   ;D

After about 500 rounds with the 43x, I would be ok with carrying it.  However, my primary would still be a 17 or 19.  I shoot them way better, but maybe not fair since I have a lot more time with those guns. 

Maybe try finding someone with a P10C with RDS.  Might be the one for you. . .  ;D

changemyoil66

Re: Premature, but what gun would you carry if HI allows CCW/Open carry
« Reply #452 on: December 02, 2022, 09:15:43 AM »
How come she didn't shoot it at 702?  You had the yellow chips. . .   ;D

After about 500 rounds with the 43x, I would be ok with carrying it.  However, my primary would still be a 17 or 19.  I shoot them way better, but maybe not fair since I have a lot more time with those guns. 

Maybe try finding someone with a P10C with RDS.  Might be the one for you. . .  ;D

This was B4 the banana chips.  :rofl: