How's the line at HPD? (Read 1366441 times)

zippz

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #480 on: December 26, 2012, 07:27:35 PM »
I don't think it works either..  Have to go to HPD 3 times just to buy a handgun, and wait about 30 minutes each time (in the good ol days) plus waiting 14 days in between.  Plus it costs money to run with all the full time staff they have doing this, maybe $400,000 a year statewide?.  I don't think it accomplishes anything except maybe some people feel good about it, and maybe discourages people in getting a firearm.  What I think works is:
1.  Have an instant background federal/state/mental check at the dealer
2.  Require handgun and long guns to require a safety class which you show proof to the dealer.

evosil98

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #481 on: December 26, 2012, 07:31:38 PM »
I don't think it works either..  Have to go to HPD 3 times just to buy a handgun, and wait about 30 minutes each time (in the good ol days) plus waiting 14 days in between.  Plus it costs money to run with all the full time staff they have doing this, maybe $400,000 a year statewide?.  I don't think it accomplishes anything except maybe some people feel good about it, and maybe discourages people in getting a firearm.  What I think works is:
1.  Have an instant background federal/state/mental check at the dealer
2.  Require handgun and long guns to require a safety class which you show proof to the dealer.

+1

tundah

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #482 on: December 26, 2012, 08:53:33 PM »
The system works.

Having to go in to register a firearm sucks but the system in place now works.

Actually, it doesn't. The system is designed to discourage people from buying firearms; people are still doing so. I'm sure a 'fix' is in the works. :(

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Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #483 on: December 26, 2012, 09:27:53 PM »
The system in place is for discouragement.  I remember debating about it back in the 90's

The system doesn't work sometimes.

Bryan Uyesugi got denied 3-4 weeks before he committed the Xerox atrocity for Mental Issues.
That should have triggered a removal of all his weapons. But it didnt because there is no law
on the books for the removal in place.  BUT he also had 2 unregistered pistols.  So either way
something would have happened.
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Kingkeoni

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #484 on: December 27, 2012, 04:45:34 AM »
The system works?
What exactly does it accomplish?

It doesn't accomplish jackshit.

You're missing the point.

You all are trying to think up a number system or other way to get around the long lines.

I'm not saying that the legality or usefulness works but the laws being what they are, it is what it is.

Unless the legal requirements change, the current system is as efficient as it gets.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

Kingkeoni

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #485 on: December 27, 2012, 04:48:16 AM »
Actually, it doesn't. The system is designed to discourage people from buying firearms; people are still doing so. I'm sure a 'fix' is in the works. :(

The "system" to which I refer is not the legal system.

The laws and requirements that are in place locally mandate the standing in line.

HPD has done as much as they can to try and make it as efficient as possible considering that there is only one place to register firearms.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

stangzilla

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #486 on: December 27, 2012, 07:33:25 AM »
If I was the officer working behind the counter, I would want as much help as I could get.
thats a lot of busy work all day long, every day.  and it never stops.
thats more busy work than working at 7-11
of course registering a firearm and buying a slurpee are 2 different things.
but just as a general working environment, If I were doing the work I would want to make it easier on myself at least.

but for now i wait in line just like everyone else.
what other choice do we have?

new guy

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #487 on: December 27, 2012, 07:44:48 AM »
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« Last Edit: August 21, 2016, 12:03:21 AM by new guy »
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evosil98

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #488 on: December 27, 2012, 08:05:06 AM »
Just drove by too and the line is getting pretty long.

DamnKid

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #489 on: December 27, 2012, 08:43:43 AM »
Sorry for the idiotic question...BUT when's a good time to go down there and start waiting in line?  Does it even move? 

new guy

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #490 on: December 27, 2012, 08:55:42 AM »
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« Last Edit: August 21, 2016, 12:03:41 AM by new guy »
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surfmaster

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #491 on: December 27, 2012, 09:11:27 AM »
Agreed. It's obvious that both the taxpaying citizens who are trying to get permits/register their guns and the HPD officers who handle the permit/registration process are both frustrated with the increasing demand for services. The problem for the customers is we do not make HPD policies, thus we have no choice but to wait in outrageously long lines.

However, the HPD officers are in a better position to at least suggest changes because they manage the process. I'm sure they're dreading having to work five times faster and harder in an attempt to meet a demand that seemingly has no end in sight. I really hope suggestions are being discussed with the officers and management on how to better help not just the customers, but these officers themselves. How about temporarily assigning more staff to meet the demand and offer them overtime. I'm sure there are some officers who could use the extra funds to help with holiday and other expenses.

Don't we hear the "end long lines" slogan by a local supermarket chain? They attempt to solve this problem by opening another checkout stand that's worked by additional staff. If you have more customers, then you need more employees to meet the demand. 

I know some may be saying that HPD is already short staffed or why would HPD management want to make it easier for civilians to get guns anyway. But, it's obvious that keeping "business as usual" is unacceptable for both the staff and customers.


If I was the officer working behind the counter, I would want as much help as I could get.
thats a lot of busy work all day long, every day.  and it never stops.
thats more busy work than working at 7-11
of course registering a firearm and buying a slurpee are 2 different things.
but just as a general working environment, If I were doing the work I would want to make it easier on myself at least.

but for now i wait in line just like everyone else.
what other choice do we have?

sworbeyegib

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #492 on: December 27, 2012, 10:13:31 AM »
I registered a gun this morning at HPD.  Since I couldnt really afford to take a whole day off of work, I "tailgated" early this morning.  Got there at 3:30am, and ended up being 6th in line.  I was out of there by 8:10am, and in my opinion, it was worth it getting there early.  Id rather not waste a whole work day standing in line.  Besides, it starts to get hot in the middle of the day.  By the time the doors opened at 7:45am, I'd estimate the line had about 60-70 people in it at least.

kkt

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #493 on: December 27, 2012, 10:27:03 AM »
Arrived at 5:15am today, was 16th in line.  Since I only picked up permits, I was out by 8:15am.  As I was leaving the line just passed the covered area of the building toward the elevator.
Erik and Frank, if you're reading this, thanks for helping to pass the time with great conversation and for saving my place in line while I fed the meter.

rswarrior1700

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #494 on: December 27, 2012, 11:15:15 AM »
Remember HPD did the a buyback program during Christmas dunno if they are still doing it now

BTW I want cash and three times the amount I paid for before I sell em. Evn then I would be still hesitant

new guy

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #495 on: December 27, 2012, 01:41:13 PM »
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« Last Edit: August 21, 2016, 12:57:33 AM by new guy »
Your mindset is your primary weapon. - Jeff Cooper

stangzilla

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #496 on: December 27, 2012, 03:11:00 PM »
1:35 PM. Just drove by. Line is the shortest I've seen in a looooooong time. Ends just past the 1st pillar outside the HPD Registration Office's exterior doors.

you not BS-ing us are you?   ;D

I hope it gets better soon.  i gotta go next week.

fstbckgt

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #497 on: December 27, 2012, 03:25:25 PM »
you not BS-ing us are you?   ;D

I hope it gets better soon.  i gotta go next week.

The line has to disappear at some point soon, right? I mean gunbroker purchases are still happening but every regular shop and online vendor must be pretty much out of everything.

new guy

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #498 on: December 27, 2012, 03:49:46 PM »
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« Last Edit: August 21, 2016, 12:57:18 AM by new guy »
Your mindset is your primary weapon. - Jeff Cooper

sworbeyegib

Re: How's the line at HPD?
« Reply #499 on: December 27, 2012, 04:11:22 PM »
I never thought we'd be so happy for only a 2 hour wait.