In re therapists:

I still have not seen any clear logistical plan/policy to implement/integrate therapists in modern police work, only vague descriptions like fire 20% of officers and replace them with therapists as to not incur additional costs. No one has even suggested how to audit such a program for its effectiveness, only that the 'obvious' end result is a reduction of police use of deadly force. Police slayings, both justified and unjustified, are nearly insignificant in terms of all police-citizen encounters occurring each year. If media outlets were to title articles on police shootings like automotive deaths, it would read something like "Vehicular deaths as the result of elderly Asian-American women drivers in large SUVs are increasing at an alarming rate--and the Department of Transportation Director (R)Tonald Jiden is doing nothing about it."

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hmmmm, that's a great idea.
Let's take it a step further.
Take away ALL guns from cops.

Think of the benefits!
1-No more suicide by cop
2-No more accidental discharges
3-No more pesky lawsuits when a cop shoots an unarmed perp
4-No need to buy guns OR expensive ammunition!!!...sell the Glocks and ammo and use the funds to hire therapists
5-No need to train them with guns.
6-No need to waste time and money with maintenance and qualifications.
7-No need for a shooting range at the Waipahu training academy
8-No more problem with lead contamination at the training academy

I was thinking that if I've already applied for CCW here even if years ago and been denied and SCOTUS has declared my denial as unconstitutional, should I not be granted my CCW license immediately under the previous existing rules of  H.P.D. C.O.P.  at that time ?   

I was thinking that if I've already applied for CCW here even if years ago and been denied and SCOTUS has declared my denial as unconstitutional, should I not be granted my CCW license immediately under the previous existing rules of  H.P.D. C.O.P.  at that time ?   

Exactly!!!

And if your denial letter is like mine, it only stated that I do not meet the exceptional circumstance to get issued one.  NO other reason for denial was on my letters.

Add in also the chiefs current rules was not made public (ie at HPD with the CCW apps or on the checklist).

This is why I called my house rep (senate didn't respond) and asked him to see if an exception can be made for all those who applied to be approved as is.

The state “struggles” to figure out gun laws.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2022/11/hawaii-struggles-to-revise-gun-laws-after-supreme-court-decision/

Those poor helpless morons. The stress of doing their job must be unbearable.

The state “struggles” to figure out gun laws.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2022/11/hawaii-struggles-to-revise-gun-laws-after-supreme-court-decision/

Those poor helpless morons. The stress of doing their job must be unbearable.

What they "struggle with" is finding creative ways to violate their oath of office and the Constitutions -- both Hawaii's and the US' -- while maintaining deniability.

The state “struggles” to figure out gun laws.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2022/11/hawaii-struggles-to-revise-gun-laws-after-supreme-court-decision/

Those poor helpless morons. The stress of doing their job must be unbearable.

Yeah, they are struggling with should they do what SCOTUS has ruled or should they delay and delay and delay and hope nobody notices or cares. (or gives up).

Demo-idiots in denial.

What irritates the hell out of me is that Logan stated that Hawaii has never had guns in over 100 years.  (I think he's referring to open and concealed carry by citizens outside the homes).

He continued by stating How am I supposed to get society ready and prepared for armed citizens that they don't know are armed?

My question to the Chief:  Why the f**k does society need to know who is armed or not?

Stupid thinking by stupid communists.  Trying to enlist a bunch of socialist Karens ready to rat on CCW holders.  Wouldn't surprise me at all that this is what he and others are thinking.

What irritates the hell out of me is that Logan stated that Hawaii has never had guns in over 100 years.  (I think he's referring to open and concealed carry by citizens outside the homes).

He continued by stating How am I supposed to get society ready and prepared for armed citizens that they don't know are armed?

My question to the Chief:  Why the f**k does society need to know who is armed or not?

Stupid thinking by stupid communists.  Trying to enlist a bunch of socialist Karens ready to rat on CCW holders.  Wouldn't surprise me at all that this is what he and others are thinking.

exactly
Logan doesn't need to get society ready for armed citizens.  what he needs to do is his job!
take the ruling by the SCOTUS, and start issuing permits.  that's your job.  whether he agrees with the decision or not, got to do your job
he is not a law maker, he is law enforcement.  just do your job and nothing else

no plastic straws
no plastic bags
no 2a rights
Democrats are great at taking things away

no plastic straws
no plastic bags
no 2a rights
Democrats are great at taking things away

no race track too

no race track too

No shooting range!

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What irritates the hell out of me is that Logan stated that Hawaii has never had guns in over 100 years.  (I think he's referring to open and concealed carry by citizens outside the homes).

He continued by stating How am I supposed to get society ready and prepared for armed citizens that they don't know are armed?

My question to the Chief:  Why the f**k does society need to know who is armed or not?

Stupid thinking by stupid communists.  Trying to enlist a bunch of socialist Karens ready to rat on CCW holders.  Wouldn't surprise me at all that this is what he and others are thinking.

Exactly. Right now we don't know who is carrying or not. We never knew all this time. Doesn't change anything. But at least we as law abiding citizens aren't gonna be penalized for protecting ourselves and others. They act like there's no criminals walking around everyday with guns...

exactly
Logan doesn't need to get society ready for armed citizens.  what he needs to do is his job!
take the ruling by the SCOTUS, and start issuing permits.  that's your job.  whether he agrees with the decision or not, got to do your job
he is not a law maker, he is law enforcement.  just do your job and nothing else

That's right.  Not sure what is making him delay but I would guess he needs to appease the commission and other "bosses".

As an appointed Chief of Police all he has to do is confront his "Bosses" and tell them that he will comply with the SCOTUS ruling.  Because you are right.  THAT IS HIS JOB.

Then if his crybaby bosses rant and rave and complain he can tell them I'M DOING MY JOB.  IF YOU WANT TO CIRCUMVENT SCOTUS AND THE CONSTITUTION GO AHEAD.  THAT'S YOUR JOB, NOT MINE.

But ummm.  Yeah.  We all know he won't do that........

That's right.  Not sure what is making him delay but I would guess he needs to appease the commission and other "bosses".

As an appointed Chief of Police all he has to do is confront his "Bosses" and tell them that he will comply with the SCOTUS ruling.  Because you are right.  THAT IS HIS JOB.

Then if his crybaby bosses rant and rave and complain he can tell them I'M DOING MY JOB.  IF YOU WANT TO CIRCUMVENT SCOTUS AND THE CONSTITUTION GO AHEAD.  THAT'S YOUR JOB, NOT MINE.

But ummm.  Yeah.  We all know he won't do that........

Passing the buck...

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Logan is doing the biding of his masters.

He is also putting the safety of his officers above that of the public.  I've seem many debates here where the argument against CC is Cops don't want to worry that someone they stopped for speeding is armed.

They have a lot of rationalizations to deny CCW to the public.  But, the SCOTUS shot down their justification of balancing a Constitutional right against "public safety concerns".

Or to protect 13-year old autistic kids from being shot by the police.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/910975499/autistic-13-year-old-boy-shot-by-salt-lake-city-police

more to the story https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/09/21/bodycam-shows-salt-lake/

In the 911 call, Linden’s mother told dispatchers that her son had been in a “shootout” with Lyon County Sheriff’s Office in Nevada, but did not give other details. She also said that officers in that same department had killed her father earlier this year. The Reno Gazette Journal reported that Owen Barton was killed by officers in January after someone called police to report that his neighbor had threatened him with a handgun.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/family-of-linden-cameron-settle-lawsuit-over-slcpd-shooting-of-13-year-old-boy-with-autism/ar-AA123OWQ

Barton admitted to police that she wasn't sure whether her son actually had a gun, according to body camera footage that was made public in September. You don't know if it's a real gun? the officer questioned. In response, Barton says, "I don't think it was a real gun."

Or to protect 13-year old autistic kids from being shot by the police.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/910975499/autistic-13-year-old-boy-shot-by-salt-lake-city-police

Is it your opinion that autistic kids with guns are not a threat to anyone, in particular police officers responding to a call involving firearms?

I don't expect an answer.

I guess guns are only dangerous if the operator knows what he's doing is dangerous.

Or to protect 13-year old autistic kids from being shot by the police.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/910975499/autistic-13-year-old-boy-shot-by-salt-lake-city-police

This case highlights how significant the 911 call is in relation to police response. Currently, there is nothing in the law that can hold a caller accountable over what they "thought", despite the fact that misinformation can cause deadly outcomes.

Police should not have a free pass to shoot people, but at the same time, you have to consider to what's going through the officer(s) mind as they respond. Many of the unarmed shootings are the result of 911 calls of "someone with a gun". Whether that's true or not is only really discovered in the after action report. I know it's not a popular opinion to always follow police commands, but at the same time, it could save your life. If you're CCWing and someone calls 911 saying "man with a gun" after you "print" or flash your gun inadvertently, you might have no idea police are on their way to confront you thinking you're a bad guy. Sure, ethically they shouldn't just roll up and shoot you, but legally, they have justification (you reached, I feared for my life) to shoot because of the 911 call.

Exactly. Right now we don't know who is carrying or not. We never knew all this time. Doesn't change anything. But at least we as law abiding citizens aren't gonna be penalized for protecting ourselves and others. They act like there's no criminals walking around everyday with guns...

On the BI, there are quite a few law abiding citizens except for the fact that they Ainokea, I Gotta Protect My Ass carry.  I was really surprised when different people told me how many they personally know are carrying and have done so for years.

this guy didn't wait for no stinkin permit
https://www.kitv.com/news/crime/kona-man-charged-in-robbery-car-crash-shooting-at-a-police-officer-held-on-1/article_38a0aa86-625e-11ed-b043-0bf03f3c3da1.html