Constitutional Carry (Read 8388 times)

groveler

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2022, 08:22:50 PM »
Other than the weather, not much left here to really enjoy.

Liberals, blocked hiking trails, no shooting ranges, insane shipping for stuff not available local. tourists making traffic miserable,,,,Liberals........but I repeat myself.

I could go on, but after almost twenty years, I am getting tired of the same old. 
Even if I had not screwed up an ear diving, could not afford scuba here anymore.  Why I moved to take a job here to begin with.
Been here 22 years.
I don't have those problems.
But then again I play by American rules and
ignore Honolulu ones.
I love Hawaii and my local neighbors.
90% of them don't even have car safety stickers up to date
I'm one of the few that do.
 :wacko:

nickelzismoney

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2022, 12:13:13 PM »
It can only be ruled on by SCOTUS if it’s brought that far. Has to go through all proper channels. They can only rule broadly as a decision, not in the sense that CC will/ is allowed in all states. If a single state gets to them about it, they will likely only rule per that state due to the scope of their limits. Ex: if California case about CC hits SCOTUS, they will only rule regarding California, not the other 49 states that haven’t adopted it yet

Wish they could, but likely won’t. Too much of a “states right” issue I’d assume
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aletheuo137

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2022, 06:40:38 AM »


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groveler

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2022, 07:44:39 AM »


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I'm already a GOA member, NRA lifer, and still a HIFIFC(sp?) member.
After Salvation Army went woke recently,  my usual Christmas donation will be going to GOA
this year.
In any event things here in Hawaii will not change for gun owners.
Legally we may be a state of the USA, but in reality we are a part of the Peoples Republic of China.
with a lot Of Japanese and Hawaiian Monarchy mixed in.
 :grrr:



changemyoil66

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2022, 08:43:37 AM »
I'm already a GOA member, NRA lifer, and still a HIFIFC(sp?) member.
After Salvation Army went woke recently,  my usual Christmas donation will be going to GOA
this year.
In any event things here in Hawaii will not change for gun owners.
Legally we may be a state of the USA, but in reality we are a part of the Peoples Republic of China.
with a lot Of Japanese and Hawaiian Monarchy mixed in.
 :grrr:

We're trying to get things to change.  But it cost $ and time at the grassroots level (HIFICO).  Is the change at the speed and things we want?  The answer is no, but baby steps.

Besides your donations, I hope you also write testimonies when the time comes.  And tell others to do the same.  The anti 2a groups are growing from the past 3 years, so every individual testimony counts.  Even if you just hit  "oppose" and submit that. 

groveler

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2022, 08:59:36 AM »
We're trying to get things to change.  But it cost $ and time at the grassroots level (HIFICO).  Is the change at the speed and things we want?  The answer is no, but baby steps.

Besides your donations, I hope you also write testimonies when the time comes.  And tell others to do the same.  The anti 2a groups are growing from the past 3 years, so every individual testimony counts.  Even if you just hit  "oppose" and submit that.
I do write letters and call, . Waste of time with our local representatives.
Nakashima seems to be reasonable, but is still a DINO ":playing the system".
My testimony is a matter of public record and has been reported in the local paper.
No such thing as "baby steps" when you are dealing with Democrats.
Read the Frog and the Scorpion fable.
 :geekdanc:

changemyoil66

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2022, 09:21:07 AM »
I do write letters and call, . Waste of time with our local representatives.


Thank you for doing those things.  It's super frustrating when I inform people what to do and they don't do it. Then call me later to ask how come X passed to complain or recently "how do I get a CCW, do you have hook ups with any instructor?".  I get that due to some peoples jobs or situations, they gotta stay off the radar.  But the bunch of people who called me about the CCW don't have this issue. Since they're friends, I know exactly what their jobs, home life (spouses job) is and any like situations that may prevent them from submitting test.  They give me the same BS reply "I forgot, next time I'll do it".  Or they call me asking to help them and it was already due 2 days prior.

The chiefs rules is probably a once in a life time thing.  And we were almost out numbered by the anti 2a side.  It wasn't a blow out like how most anti 2a bills are.  1500 to 127 sends a stronger message than 400 to 250.

Also Nakashima was the one to kill the mag ban last year.  He made the sole decision for his house committee to not give that bill a hearing.  So your call to him probably helped.

groveler

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2022, 10:37:02 AM »
Thank you for doing those things.  It's super frustrating when I inform people what to do and they don't do it. Then call me later to ask how come X passed to complain or recently "how do I get a CCW, do you have hook ups with any instructor?".  I get that due to some peoples jobs or situations, they gotta stay off the radar.  But the bunch of people who called me about the CCW don't have this issue. Since they're friends, I know exactly what their jobs, home life (spouses job) is and any like situations that may prevent them from submitting test.  They give me the same BS reply "I forgot, next time I'll do it".  Or they call me asking to help them and it was already due 2 days prior.

The chiefs rules is probably a once in a life time thing.  And we were almost out numbered by the anti 2a side.  It wasn't a blow out like how most anti 2a bills are.  1500 to 127 sends a stronger message than 400 to 250.

Also Nakashima was the one to kill the mag ban last year.  He made the sole decision for his house committee to not give that bill a hearing.  So your call to him probably helped.
"Also Nakashima was the one to kill the mag ban last year.  He made the sole decision for his house committee to not give that bill a hearing.  So your call to him probably helped."
A few years back I gave him the wording to change  HRS 134-9 to "shall issue".  He submitted it, it passed first reading. Karl "Marx" Rhodes killed it.
I  always figured he submitted it ,  knowing it would never be heard in committee.
But I do let the elected people know my thoughts.
Even the stupid Hirono.
Y'all here know they have a common data base for people like us?
I don't even have to give them my address when I call.
Any of them.  Think about that.
I do.
 :wtf:






changemyoil66

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2022, 11:27:52 AM »

Y'all here know they have a common data base for people like us?


I called my rep once and the gal said my name sounded familiar. Then she let it slip "i know where I saw your name, it was on a secur....nevermind".

zippz

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2022, 11:33:44 AM »
Unfortunately Tarnas replaced Nakashima as chair on the Judiciary committee for 2023.  Nakashima seemed fairly conservative.  Tarnas seems to be a bit more anti-gun, though he seems to reluctantly support hunting.  But I guess anyone against hunting wouldn't be elected on the big island.

randay

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2022, 05:05:09 PM »
did you know a bill can be voted on and the commitee chair can decide to ignore the votes and pass or defer the bill however they see fit? thats when i stopped giving the legislature any more of my time.

changemyoil66

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2022, 05:36:16 PM »
did you know a bill can be voted on and the commitee chair can decide to ignore the votes and pass or defer the bill however they see fit? thats when i stopped giving the legislature any more of my time.
Please come back. Next year will be important.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2022, 06:24:34 PM »
did you know a bill can be voted on and the commitee chair can decide to ignore the votes and pass or defer the bill however they see fit? thats when i stopped giving the legislature any more of my time.

i guess you're okay with the laws that exist.

if you don't like the process, well BOO HOO!

Either work within the current system or change it.  ignoring it only lets the status quo continue.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

randay

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2022, 07:09:14 PM »
i guess you're okay with the laws that exist.

if you don't like the process, well BOO HOO!

Either work within the current system or change it.  ignoring it only lets the status quo continue.

 :wacko:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2022, 07:21:58 PM »
:wacko:

Sorry.  I was in the middle of cooking dinner, and your post just pushed that proverbial button.

I've been in both modes:  Ignore politics because ulcers fix nothing, and stay up on all the issues to have an informed opinion should anyone on the inside cares enough to listen to me.

So far, ulcer prevention has been more productive.   :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

randay

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2022, 07:43:34 PM »
Sorry.  I was in the middle of cooking dinner, and your post just pushed that proverbial button.

I've been in both modes:  Ignore politics because ulcers fix nothing, and stay up on all the issues to have an informed opinion should anyone on the inside cares enough to listen to me.

So far, ulcer prevention has been more productive.   :shaka:

 :shaka:

zippz

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2022, 08:09:52 PM »
did you know a bill can be voted on and the commitee chair can decide to ignore the votes and pass or defer the bill however they see fit? thats when i stopped giving the legislature any more of my time.

Committee chair can't pass it alone, but they can kill the bill themselves.

QUIETShooter

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2023, 06:48:38 AM »
Committee chair can't pass it alone, but they can kill the bill themselves.

I'm quite naive when it comes to politics, but if a committee chair can kill a bill themselves, in my opinion that's too much power to give a committee chair.

To me that's not serving their constituents.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

groveler

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2023, 08:39:18 AM »
I'm quite naive when it comes to politics, but if a committee chair can kill a bill themselves, in my opinion that's too much power to give a committee chair.

To me that's not serving their constituents.
It is serving his/her constituents whom are culturally trained
to be subservient automatons.
Fuk everbody else.
 :grrr:
I quiet quit Hawaii years ago before it was fashionable.
 :geekdanc:

mrgaf

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2023, 03:50:49 PM »
I'm quite naive when it comes to politics, but if a committee chair can kill a bill themselves, in my opinion that's too much power to give a committee chair.

To me that's not serving their constituents.

Those self serving ass wipes could care less about “constituents” :)
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

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