While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves... (Read 3560 times)

ren

Our City is out of control...
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/02/09/hpd-investigating-recent-string-armed-robberies-targeting-courier-drivers/

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/02/09/police-locate-one-five-stolen-vehicles-kalihi-car-dealership-burglary/

https://www.kitv.com/news/crime/3-cars-stolen-from-waipahu-car-dealership-after-brazen-burglary/article_8b044f7c-a7f9-11ed-a86d-efd276673981.html

and our favorite lawmaker wants to set criminals free
http://hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Daily-News/ID/37708/February-8-2023-News-Read

SB350 Crime Wave Coming: Will Green Sign Cash Bail Bill Vetoes by Ige?

TGI: … A bill to eliminate cash bail for certain low-level, nonviolent offenses — with a long list of exceptions — passed both chambers of the Legislature last session.

But it triggered a wave of backlash from the police union, prosecutors and mayors, including Kaua‘i Mayor Derek S.K. Kawakami, and was ultimately vetoed by then-Gov. David Ige.

Community Alliance on Prisons Coordinator Kat Brady is optimistic that bail reform and other progressive criminal justice measures will get more traction with Gov. Josh Green taking Ige’s place in the governor’s office.

“It often felt like what we were saying was bouncing off the administration,” said Brady. “Josh’s (State of the State address) was the polar opposite of the last eight years. He thinks about people, while the last eight years were very clinical.”

This session, Brady will advocate for Senate Bill 350, which is almost identical to the bill Ige vetoed last year. It would eliminate the use of monetary bail and require defendants to be released on their own recognizance for traffic offenses, nonviolent misdemeanors and nonviolent class C felonies.

The bill also includes a range of exceptions, including for repeat offenders and those charged with breaking and entering or making threats. Because of these exceptions, it would affect a relatively small percentage of the pretrial population.

Introduced by state Sen. Karl Rhoads, the bill passed first reading last week and has been referred to the Committee on Public Safety, Intergovernmental, and Military Affairs, as well as the Judiciary Committee.

Though he did not specify whether he would sign a bail reform measure, Green has signaled interest in pursuing criminal justice reform.

“It goes without saying that we need justice reform,” said Green in a statement to The Garden Island. “I am open to hearing more about the multiple approaches that will be discussed during this legislative session. Fundamentally, we should not incarcerate people for minor drug offenses, especially related to their own addiction. We should get them treatment instead of putting them in prison.”…
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rpoL98

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2023, 10:44:13 PM »
pursuing that George Soros money.

randay

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2023, 07:13:26 AM »
almost time to start ainokea carry

QUIETShooter

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2023, 08:55:33 AM »
To those who (blindly?) voted for gov. green:

Enjoy......... :shaka:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

6716J

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2023, 10:09:58 AM »
almost time to start ainokea carry

Almost?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

oldfart

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2023, 11:02:46 AM »
HNN Quote:
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"The Zhang’s say their car lot will be closed for at least a week as about a third of their inventory now has stolen keys.
They’ll be sleeping at the dealership overnight to prevent more cars from getting ripped off."
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You think the Zhangs will be armed when sleeping at the dealership at night????
I would be.
What, Me Worry?

changemyoil66

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2023, 11:26:30 AM »
HNN Quote:
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"The Zhang’s say their car lot will be closed for at least a week as about a third of their inventory now has stolen keys.
They’ll be sleeping at the dealership overnight to prevent more cars from getting ripped off."
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You think the Zhangs will be armed when sleeping at the dealership at night????
I would be.

1 has to wonder who they voted for.

mrgaf

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2023, 11:35:00 AM »
almost time to start ainokea carry

Been carrying for over 10 years….I don’t give a f—k either! >:D
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

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hvybarrels

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2023, 12:08:12 PM »
I would like to know more details about the couriers. What were they transporting and how? What routes were they on?

Apparently the news regurgitators are not being allowed to do their jobs.
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

QUIETShooter

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2023, 01:15:00 PM »
In Hawaii it's all about control.  Baaaaaa......... :rofl:

Our leaders do not believe in Freedom.  Dey Scaid.  Not only of us.  Dey Scaid if they no get re-elected dey gotta find reel job.

Dey no geeve a f**k about any ting else.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

RSN172

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2023, 07:19:08 PM »
I was just reading the BI requirements for a permit. You have to sign away attorney client, doctor patient, husband wife confidentiality among others. WTF?? I would never do that. That where you just exercise your right to protect yourself.   Seriously,  if you carried without a permit and made sure no one ever saw your weapon, you would never get caught with it.  Then if you ever had to use it to save your life or that of someone you dearly loved, or prevent serious bodily harm, would you think I better not use it, I might go to prison for 5 or more years. Well you might not be alive to go to prison or you might be beaten so badly you end up a vegetable for the rest of your life. I will be 73 in 2.5 months.  The person who tries to assaults me will probably be bigger, stronger, faster and 30 to 50 years younger than me with a criminal record.  A jury will probably not even convict me given my age and no criminal record.  I'll take my chances. No way I am signing away my privacy rights and giving my passwords so BI cops can go look at everything I do just to get a highly restricted permit to carry.
Happily living in Puna

hvybarrels

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2023, 07:29:47 PM »
I was just reading the BI requirements for a permit. You have to sign away attorney client, doctor patient, husband wife confidentiality among others. WTF?? I would never do that. That where you just exercise your right to protect yourself.   Seriously,  if you carried without a permit and made sure no one ever saw your weapon, you would never get caught with it.  Then if you ever had to use it to save your life or that of someone you dearly loved, or prevent serious bodily harm, would you think I better not use it, I might go to prison for 5 or more years. Well you might not be alive to go to prison or you might be beaten so badly you end up a vegetable for the rest of your life. I will be 73 in 2.5 months.  The person who tries to assaults me will probably be bigger, stronger, faster and 30 to 50 years younger than me with a criminal record.  A jury will probably not even convict me given my age and no criminal record.  I'll take my chances. No way I am signing away my privacy rights and giving my passwords so BI cops can go look at everything I do just to get a highly restricted permit to carry.

Is that proposed or is it the actual law already?
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

robtmc

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2023, 07:34:17 PM »
Is that proposed or is it the actual law already?
Dunno, just read about it and refuse out of pure a-holery on my part.  Give liberals a shot at examining my private life?

if things get bad, Ainokea carry and maybe a long gun in the truck.

Since no shooting ranges on the BI, how is anyone supposed to practice and demonstrate skill?

RSN172

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2023, 08:11:59 PM »
Is that proposed or is it the actual law already?
I tried to post a picture of the application but forum currently can't post pictures.   Do a Google search for  Hawaii Police Department application to carry concealed weapons.

You have to give them unrestricted right to examine your entire personal life with a notarized signature.
Happily living in Puna

hvybarrels

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2023, 10:10:28 PM »
I tried to post a picture of the application but forum currently can't post pictures.   Do a Google search for  Hawaii Police Department application to carry concealed weapons.

You have to give them unrestricted right to examine your entire personal life with a notarized signature.

That's awful. The cops must really hate the citizens on Big Island, and I'm guessing the feeling is mutual.
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

RSN172

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2023, 11:16:46 PM »
That's awful. The cops must really hate the citizens on Big Island, and I'm guessing the feeling is mutual.

Dat's right. Try ask groveler, LOL.
Actually not so much da cops wen write dis up. It waz da stinking Democratic county council, but no doubt da cops like make niele too.
Happily living in Puna

Rocky

“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

changemyoil66

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2023, 12:36:41 PM »
HB882 which is Green's bill is 74 pages and hearing is at 3:05pm today.

groveler

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2023, 02:59:11 PM »
almost time to start ainokea carry
Y'all now just catching up to BI guys?
I never break any CONSTITUTIONAL laws.
but if you play ball with Hawaii Democrats they will shove the bat up your ass.
 :love:

RSN172

Re: While lawmakers target citizens who want to protect themselves...
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2023, 03:34:51 PM »
I think those that Ainokea carry would only get caught without using it in a SD situation is if they got into a serious accident. While unconscious or incapacitated,  the fire department, EMT or police find the weapon on you or in your car.

Other than that,  the chances of getting caught while exercising your denied constitutional rights are zero.  I base this on the several people I know that have been carrying for 7 to 15 years without a permit.
Happily living in Puna