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ren

shut down da prison
« on: June 15, 2023, 12:45:18 PM »
https://www.kitv.com/news/local/underground-storage-tank-prompts-violation-notice-and-order-to-hawaii-dept-of-public-safety/article_5a29c6a8-0b30-11ee-bc0c-df4be8741c13.html

The state health department issued a notice of violation to the state public safety department for the unpermitted underground storage tank, at Halawa Correctional Facility.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2023, 12:54:44 PM »
No permit?

How is that even possible?  Did the contractor charge for it and pocket the money?

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The DOH discovered the tank a year ago.

The tank can store a thousand gallons of petroleum or hazardous substances for an emergency generator.

The state says it investigated over the past year, and learned the tank was installed in 1993 without proper notification and permitting requirements.

The big questions:  How did this go 30 years before being "discovered?"  How did it become "discovered" a year ago?

Since this is Red Hill, I wonder if the "discovery" was related to the work being done with the Navy fuel tank problems?

What if the entire Red Hill fuel leak problem was partially a DOC problem, and the Navy tanks were not causing all of the the contamination?

 :popcorn:
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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groveler

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2023, 02:50:10 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on June 15, 2023, 12:54:44 PM
No permit?

How is that even possible?  Did the contractor charge for it and pocket the money?

The big questions:  How did this go 30 years before being "discovered?"  How did it become "discovered" a year ago?

Since this is Red Hill, I wonder if the "discovery" was related to the work being done with the Navy fuel tank problems?

What if the entire Red Hill fuel leak problem was partially a DOC problem, and the Navy tanks were not causing all of the the contamination?

 :popcorn:
I personally don't believe in Building permits.
That is what I thought Licensed civil engineers
and architects were for.
Make it criminal to violate Zoning laws.
Problem solved.
Although Zoning laws can be considered an
un-Constitutional taking.

I find it to be lunacy for one taxpayer funded thing to fine
another Taxpayer funded thing when both are
legal governments of the same state.
 :wacko:


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2023, 03:09:41 PM »
Quote from: groveler on June 15, 2023, 02:50:10 PM
I personally don't believe in Building permits.
That is what I thought Licensed civil engineers
and architects were for.
Make it criminal to violate Zoning laws.
Problem solved.
Although Zoning laws can be considered an
un-Constitutional taking.

I find it to be lunacy for one taxpayer funded thing to fine
another Taxpayer funded thing when both are
legal governments of the same state.
 :wacko:

I believe in building permits IF the process is affordable, involves honest and thorough inspectors and the building codes are documented well enough to cover the main safety requirements.  Do you want an auto repair garage to be built next to your farmland or home?  Zoning and permits have a valid purpose for land use and safety.

However, this is not a "building."  It's a buried tank for 1,000 gallons of fuel to operate a backup generator.

This tank represents a significant problem for people and the environment if it's not installed and inspected regularly to prevent leaks and explosion.

Do you believe in HAZMAT regulations?
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2023, 07:08:38 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on June 15, 2023, 03:09:41 PM
I believe in building permits IF the process is affordable, involves honest and thorough inspectors and the building codes are documented well enough to cover the main safety requirements.  Do you want an auto repair garage to be built next to your farmland or home?  Zoning and permits have a valid purpose for land use and safety.

However, this is not a "building."  It's a buried tank for 1,000 gallons of fuel to operate a backup generator.

This tank represents a significant problem for people and the environment if it's not installed and inspected regularly to prevent leaks and explosion.

Do you believe in HAZMAT regulations?
I probably didn't word this correctly,
so I'll try again.
NO licensed engineer or architect will violate
safety rules. They are the most looked at and checked over
people there is.
You will lose your license and get sued if you fuk up.
I could not get a PE license as they don't license Scientists.
(Computer science) It generally takes someone to pull a "trigger, push the wrong button
or do nothing"  to use my designs to kill things.

As for HAZMAT I was a safety officer, most this shit is shit.
there are some really bad things out there but the
idiots that are afraid of everything and can't evaluate
trade offs are even scarier.
 :geekdanc:





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ren

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2023, 07:10:21 PM »
Where's the Board of Water Supply engineer Mr. Lau?
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hvybarrels

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2023, 10:06:29 PM »
Quote from: groveler on June 15, 2023, 02:50:10 PM
I personally don't believe in Building permits.
That is what I thought Licensed civil engineers
and architects were for.
Make it criminal to violate Zoning laws.
Problem solved.
Although Zoning laws can be considered an
un-Constitutional taking.

I find it to be lunacy for one taxpayer funded thing to fine
another Taxpayer funded thing when both are
legal governments of the same state.
 :wacko:

If only we lived next door then I could come over and pull up a lawn chair, crack a beer, and listen to all your crazy stories that aren't fit for publication.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2023, 10:13:42 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on June 15, 2023, 10:06:29 PM
If only we lived next door then I could come over and pull up a lawn chair, crack a beer, and listen to all your crazy stories that aren't fit for publication.

if you ever do, make sure to record it.  You'll get a bazillion views!   :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2023, 10:30:28 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on June 15, 2023, 10:06:29 PM
If only we lived next door then I could come over and pull up a lawn chair, crack a beer, and listen to all your crazy stories that aren't fit for publication.

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groveler

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2023, 02:10:38 AM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on June 15, 2023, 10:06:29 PM
If only we lived next door then I could come over and pull up a lawn chair, crack a beer, and listen to all your crazy stories that aren't fit for publication.
You can always Private EM me. I'll buy beer and food.
And provide "crazy" freedom loving philosophy rants.
I'd really like to visit with most guys that comment here
even the ones every one distrusts.
I just can't stand Honolulu.
Y'all live in "Paradise" and have turned it into a shit hole.
I used to live and work in Los Angeles( Wilmington district). 
Honolulu is a shit hole.
 :shaka: :thumbsup:






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astroboy

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2023, 08:46:56 AM »
Under ground storage tanks (USTs) are regulated by a ton of EPA rules and regs.
The federal fines for violations can be very expensive.
USTs need to have leak detection systems that meet federal standards.
Record keeping for tank test results are also mandated.
It would be interesting to find out how this tank escaped scrutiny.
Maybe a box(es) of manapua was involved.   
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2023, 02:07:11 PM »
Quote from: astroboy on June 16, 2023, 08:46:56 AM
Under ground storage tanks (USTs) are regulated by a ton of EPA rules and regs.
The federal fines for violations can be very expensive.
USTs need to have leak detection systems that meet federal standards.
Record keeping for tank test results are also mandated.
It would be interesting to find out how this tank escaped scrutiny.
Maybe a box(es) of manapua was involved.   

Perhaps the simplest answer is the state doesn't have to follow the law -- or so they believe.  We see it everyday, and most recently with the Bruen decision.

We see officials in the news regularly caught doing illegal crap.  Police chiefs, city attorneys, election supervisors, liquor license and building inspectors, land owners who got paid multiple times what their land was worth for The Rail route, etc, etc.  Only a few are ever held accountable.

The state has been sued for failing to follow the law for mental health treatment facilities, waste water treatment, illegal use of pesticides, sewage spills from old and deteriorated sewer systems, and the list goes on.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2023, 02:40:24 PM »
Sing like the KGMB commercial song:

One of.. the Gooood... Things.....about HawAAIII...... :rofl:

is wonderful... K..G..M..B... CORR...UUPP...TTION......... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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ren

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2023, 05:04:51 PM »
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oldfart

Re: shut down da prison
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2023, 05:24:02 PM »
Quote from: QUIETShooter on June 16, 2023, 02:40:24 PM
Sing like the KGMB commercial song:

One of.. the Gooood... Things.....about HawAAIII...... :rofl:

is wonderful... K..G..M..B... CORR...UUPP...TTION......... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
...
Good one :rofl: :thumbsup:
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